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Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:01 PM

Processed foods are a much bigger health problem than we thought

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2019/6/11/18652653/diet-weight-loss-ultra-processed-foods-microbiome

In two new papers published in the BMJ, the more ultraprocessed — or industrially manufactured — foods a person ate, the more likely they were to get sick and even die. In one study, they were more likely to suffer from cardiovascular problems. The other linked an ultraprocessed diet to a higher risk of death from all causes.

Those studies followed a first-of-its-kind randomized controlled trial, out of the National Institutes of Health: Researchers found people following an ultraprocessed diet ate about 500 more calories per day than those consuming minimally processed, whole foods.

Sure, potato chips, cookies, and hot dogs are chock-full of salt, sugar, fat, and calories. They can cause us to gain weight and put us at a higher risk of diseases such as diabetes and obesity. But why? What if there’s something unique about ultraprocessed foods that primes us to overeat and leads to bad health?

A new, intriguing hypothesis offers a potential answer. Increasingly, scientists think processed foods, with all their chemicals and sugar and lack of fiber, may be formulated in ways that disturb the gut microbiome, the trillions of diverse bacteria lining our intestines and colon. Those disturbances, in turn, may heighten the risk of chronic disease and encourage overeating.


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a very interesting read. I highly recommend it.

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Reply Processed foods are a much bigger health problem than we thought (Original post)
Javaman Jun 2019 OP
Wellstone ruled Jun 2019 #1
Javaman Jun 2019 #2
Wellstone ruled Jun 2019 #5
Ohiogal Jun 2019 #3
happybird Jun 2019 #8
smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #28
ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2019 #4
OliverQ Jun 2019 #6
DFW Jun 2019 #7
kimbutgar Jun 2019 #21
customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #32
Achilleaze Jun 2019 #9
Calculating Jun 2019 #10
patphil Jun 2019 #20
kimbutgar Jun 2019 #23
customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #33
KT2000 Jun 2019 #11
LisaM Jun 2019 #12
mitch96 Jun 2019 #14
LisaM Jun 2019 #25
mitch96 Jun 2019 #29
LisaM Jun 2019 #36
Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #13
mitch96 Jun 2019 #15
Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #38
Mr.Bill Jun 2019 #16
Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #39
YOHABLO Jun 2019 #17
mitch96 Jun 2019 #30
YOHABLO Jun 2019 #31
womanofthehills Jun 2019 #34
mitch96 Jun 2019 #37
Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #40
mitch96 Jun 2019 #41
Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #42
mitch96 Jun 2019 #43
Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #44
mitch96 Jun 2019 #45
malaise Jun 2019 #18
erronis Jun 2019 #19
rwsanders Jun 2019 #22
mopinko Jun 2019 #24
Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2019 #26
Doreen Jun 2019 #27
GulfCoast66 Jun 2019 #35

Response to Javaman (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:05 PM

1. You think!!!!

 

As someone whom worked in a food lab. Oh boy,you don't want to know how those flavor enhancers are made or what they are made of or from.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:08 PM

2. then you must know about the book, "Food, inc"...

that book scared the crap out of me. I cut all fast foods out my diet and started the mission to eliminate processed foods as much a possible in my diet. that was about 20 years ago.

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Response to Javaman (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:24 PM

5. It is a tough one to get your head around

 

and we read all the Labels and still find misleading labeling on some many things. Finding the Organic's are a mine field of misinformation due to FDA rules being enforced by political Contributions and free tickets.

First off,zero Palm Oil and Food Grade Fiber(short for Saw Dust). The other is High Fructose Sugars of any type. There are more but my feeble brain is not working again.

Ah,there is a artificial sweetner that is made by using Chlorine gas as a distilling agent into Liquid Cheese Whey and the resulting Precipitate is marketed as a Sugar Substitute. Or call it Distilled Sugar from Whey.

Remember,any Chlorine will stay in the body for a period of time.


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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:10 PM

3. I have thought this for a long time.

Especially....

"There’s also a link between diets heavy in ultraprocessed foods and harmful inflammation — when the body’s inflammatory response goes into overdrive, making it harder to fight off viruses and disease. One measure of inflammation is a blood marker called C-reactive protein (CRP). Researchers have found associations between higher levels of CRP and various chronic illnesses, including cancer, arthritis, cardiovascular disease, and diabetes. And people who eat an unhealthy diet tend to have higher levels of CRP in their bodies."

Unfortunately, highly processed foods are for the most part, cheaper and easier to access. The majority of poorer people eat this stuff because either that's all they can afford, or they don't have access to a decent grocery store and have to buy all their food from the Dollar store or convenience stores.

It's indeed a problem. Michelle Obama tried to address this in part with her push for an overhaul on our nation's health and against childhood obesity .... but remember all the ridicule she got from that. And food companies complain they can't survive without putting all this crap in our food...... no wonder our life expectancy in the US is going down.

Great article.

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:57 PM

8. For many years I have thought all these

crazy food allergies young people now have must be due to something in processed foods. ADHD, too.

I was an oddball in grade school because I was the only kid who had allergies and related asthma (mold and mildew was the trigger). I've only known a handful of folks my age and older with food allergies, and it's always shellfish. Over 20 years of waiting tables, I only had few customers with allergies- again, it was almost always shellfish.

What has changed since then is the proliferation of processed foods. It's the one common factor across all regions of the US and all socioeconomic groups. I bet the food lobbies work hard to make sure studies on this are suppressed.

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 05:30 PM

28. I started the Keto diet about 2 months ago, and one thing I noticed after about a week or two is

that all my pain went away (which I just assumed was arthritic joints and was a result of getting older), however my knee pain, low back pain, shoulder, neck and upper back pain, tension headaches and constant stomach aches just went away completely!

The things I cut out entirely were processed carbs (bread, pizza, crackers, baked goods), sweets and diet soda. I never really ate a lot of processed things (except for the above mentioned) mostly whole foods - veggies, meat, dairy, etc. but it seemed by eliminating those things, almost all of my inflammation went away, and therefore the pain. I was pleasantly shocked.

I never let it stop me from getting around, but it was just really eye opening as to how much what we eat affects how we feel. I have slacked off a little lately and bought a loaf of ciabatta bread at Whole Foods the other day (not too processed) with some cheese and olive tapenade, but the next day I had a terrible stomach-ache, low back pain and knee pain. I may keep to this diet just because of the way I feel by cutting out processed carbs.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:18 PM

4. Which is why I do not buy that JUNK FOOD shit.

With the myriad of health problems Americans today have , why add more?

Hell, I do not even eat corn anymore. Being genitically modified, even that is no longer good for people to eat.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:30 PM

6. I recently got back from Europe.

 

One thing I noticed about Europeans. They eat lots of fat, sugar, breads, etc. I had pastries and coffee almost every morning over there. But they're thinner and healthier.

Why? Aside from walking a lot, they eat more natural, less processed foods. Real butter, not processed margarine or other junk. Raw sugar, not sugar substitutes or high fructose corn syrup. Real jams on bread, not artificial junk.

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 02:48 PM

7. Living in Europe all these years has probably saved my life.

We have an open air farmers market in our town three times a week. It has been there in one for or another for the last 800 years or so. My wife buys almost all of our food there. Bread baked fresh in portable ovens, veggies from the farmers that grow them or their wholesalers, all locally grown stuff, or fresh imports from as far away as the Mediterranean (which is a 15 hour drive, not a 3 week boat trip).

We like our "comfort" food as much as anyone, but at least here, we make plenty of our own from scratch. Pastries, marmalade made from raspberries and rhubarb or apricots from France. So we control what goes into it.

High fructose corn syrup is, fortunately, not used here in Europe. I can't believe it's still used in the USA. That HFCS is harmful is not exactly a state secret, after all. And yet I see it as an ingredient all over when I'm back in the States, in everything from Smuckers Jam to apple candy from Washington State (probably the ones from Shenandoah, VA, too) to even canned Bloody Mary Mix spicy tomato juice. Somebody is getting rich off that stuff, and a lot more are getting poisoned by it.

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:46 PM

21. We've been to Europe several times and I agree with you.

Every week we prepare a fruit bowl that we eat for breakfast, based on the daily breakfast we ate in Italy at our hotels. You don’t see obese people like here and I remember growing up in the 60’s and 70’s seeing overweight people was not as common as today.

I try to cook from scratch as much as possible and can tell the difference between overly processed
And unprocessed food.

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:28 PM

32. Interesting

They also consume more wine, which has beneficial effects.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 03:01 PM

9. Just say no to GMO-glyphosate-processed chemical crud, Inc. (R)

and feel better fast.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 03:10 PM

10. High Fructose Corn Syrup would be banned if our government cared even a little about our health

Instead all they care about is keeping the corn lobby happy. Same reason they continue to subsidize turning the stuff into ethanol and putting it in our gasoline against our wishes.

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Response to Calculating (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:41 PM

20. I worked in Quality Control for a major Pharmaceutical company for over 35 years

I am well aware of the dangers of high fructose corn syrup, GMO foods, and artificial coloring, sweetening, and other ingredients prolific in today's food.
People would argue that our bodies don't know the difference between high fructose corn syrup and natural sugars. I would say that is true, BUT that is the problem.
The body tries to process them like regular sugars, with disasterous results.
They reek havoc in the colon.
Really bad for you!
Sometimes disguised as just corn syrup, they are manufactured compounds that don't occur in nature.
Our bodies spent thousands of years learning how to process natural foods.
It would take thousands more to learn how to handle these unnatural, man-made chemicals.
We don't have the luxury of time.
It poisons us now.

Patrick Phillips

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Response to Calculating (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:48 PM

23. If I see high frutctose corn syrup on the label I will not buy that food.

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Response to Calculating (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:29 PM

33. We can thank the Iowa caucuses for that.

It seems that all candidates of both parties work to appease the corn gods.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:14 PM

11. Duh -

I have been reading about this for about a decade or more. Of course that was ridiculed as junk science.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:14 PM

12. I was in Ireland last summer and dropped about 7 pounds.

Sure, I walked more than usual. But I in no way limited what I ate, and had a big Irish breakfast every morning and drank Guinness every night. I know it was the food.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:24 PM

14. I was in Ireland last Sept.. The food was great!!

Fresh veg, eggs had very yellow almost orange yokes. I rarely eat meat but the meat and chicken was lean and delicious.. And dont get me started on the fresh brown bread with every meal.. The salmon was outstanding. Cooked simple and very tasty. I love Guinness and even though I was in western Ireland I took the train to Dublin and made the pilgrimage to the brewery at St James Gate.. Well worth the trip.. Small country about the size of Indiana.
Yes, lots of walking but I'm a walking kind'o guy.. I love the place and I'm not even Irish!

Eat real food, mostly plants, not too much.. repeat..
m

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Response to mitch96 (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 05:06 PM

25. I can't eat fish or seafood, but my SO ate fish and chips 8 times!

He lost weight, too.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #25)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 06:58 PM

29. "my SO ate fish and chips 8 times!"

I FORGOT ABOUT THE FISH AND CHIPS!!!!! I ate my self silly on them.. I've been searching for comperable down here in SoFla and have turned up short. Even in the so called "Irish pubs"... They suck. One even told me outright that it was not cod but Basa, a flaky white fish that sucks up oil like crazy..I guess I'll just have to go back to Ireland to get my fix..
m

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Response to mitch96 (Reply #29)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:57 PM

36. Try Savannah.

The fish there (from what I saw) looked pretty good.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:17 PM

13. Saw a scientist on tv (60 Minutes or something). He had worked in the chips industry.

He said the chips are made to make you want more, and therefore, they sell more chips. That's why "you can't eat just one."

I suspect this is the case with a lot of processed foods. I don't know what they do to it, but I think salt and sugar have a quality that makes you want more. But the manufacturers use a cocktail of chemicals.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:27 PM

15. "I think salt and sugar have a quality that makes you want more"

They have found the formula for food addiction.. SOS Sugar, Oil and Salt. Ever look at a low fat product? loaded with salt and sugar. Low salt? heavy on the fat and sugar... etc..
For me when I cut down on the SOS the quality of my health went way up..
m

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Response to mitch96 (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:28 PM

38. Yes! I used to buy nonfat flavored Yogurt.

Delicious. But when I read the ingredients, it had sugar and chemicals.

I now buy the nonfat plan yogurt. It's pure yogurt. I add my own ingredients to make it sweet or whatever.

But for the potato chips, it's more than just salt and fats. It's the chemicals, too. The scientist explained that they'd use chemicals for that specific purpose. They'd test them by eating them. If the people could stop too soon, the formula wasn't right.

But chips are mucho good, aren't they? Yum. But I rarely buy any sort of chips these days. So unhealthy and fattening. They make me bloat up and feel not up to par for several days.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:30 PM

16. My doctor talks about processed foods, meats in particular,

as though they were rat poison.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #16)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:29 PM

39. A lot of it is, to me.

That stuff at McDonald's and fast food places, I don't even regard as real food. There is a connection between that type of "food" and the health problems of Americans...diabetes, obesity, heart trouble, clogged arteries....

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:34 PM

17. Here's the problem. Organic, pesticide free whole foods cost more. Way more.

 

Our food industry uses deceptive marketing to sell food items. 'Low-cal', fat free, and then there's Kroger, that uses the term 'Simple Truth', what ever the hell that means. I think the 'Simple Truth' is they're full of simple BS.

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:03 PM

30. "Organic, pesticide free whole foods cost more"

Not to offend but what is your health worth? For a start, just cut out processed meats.. Just eating more regular veg is way better for your health than bologna or bacon... BTW I love bacon but don't eat it any more..
m

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Response to mitch96 (Reply #30)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 07:42 PM

31. Have you not heard of Glyphosate? It's in all of our food staples.

 

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #31)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:50 PM

34. Glyphosate is in all our food, but it's usually in smaller amts in organic food

Less regulations by Trump means more companies are lying and saying their ingredients are organic.

Some foods have higher levels of glyphosate - like sugar, wheat, grains, soy, peas, almonds - stuff that is sprayed with glyphosate right before harvest.

I only eat organic, and I can buy organic vegetables very cheap at Whole Foods. Organic carrots, greens, celery, beets - all run around $2.00 a bunch. Even Walmart has organic cabbage for $2.00. I have my own chickens that I feed organically and I buy grass fed beef from local ranchers.

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Response to YOHABLO (Reply #31)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 10:07 AM

37. "Glyphosate?"

That is why people eat organic..
Don't eat your greens and not maintain health. Eat greens at a affordable price and end up consuming glyphosate. Eat organic and eat less glyphosate at a higher cost, but consume greens for health.. Sounds like painting yourself into a box.. If people have the room you could grow your own but that's not viable to many.
For me it's simple. Eat greens, beans, veg and fruits as close to organic as possible. I've been eating this way for over 40 years (yes I'm a geezer) and I'm very healthy. I'm on no meds with stable blood sugar, bp, and lipids. The rare times I go to the doctor he says what ever I'm doing KEEP DOING IT... YMMV, works for me..
m

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Response to mitch96 (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:31 PM

40. I don't put much stock in "organic."

Organic farming uses pesticides, too. It's just that the pesticides don't stay in the environment. But they are as toxic as non-organic pesticides are. I try not to use any pesticide in my yard.

But when you're farming for profit, you really have to use some pesticide(s), or you could lose a whole crop and go out of business. It's just the nature of farming for mass production.

Organic IS too expensive. It is somewhat healthier, and the pesticides on the produce are less, but there's no evidence that it helps w/a person's health in the long run. I think organic may taste better? Not sure.

But like you, I almost never eat processed meats (maybe twice a year?). I also gave up beef, pork, veal, sausage. I love sugar, but it's really bad for the body. I've cut down, but not given it up. I don't eat foods that have sugar as an ingredient (like cereals), saving sugar for special occasions where I'll eat candy or cake.

I eat mainly skinless chicken breasts I cook myself, whole grain breads (not much of that), fresh & frozen fruits, some frozen veggies (I don't care for veggies but make myself eat them...not with sauces or other ingredients).

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #40)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 06:38 PM

41. What ever you can do to increase your health is a benefit..

There are about five places around the world that the people in those regions have maintained health and longevity into their 90's. Public health investigators looked to see what is the common thread that keeps these people is such good shape. A whole food plant based diet is the common thread. The seventh day adventists in Loma Linda Ca are one of those groups. Lots of veg (I doubt organic but maybe) some grains, beans, nuts, seeds and berries. Meat is used more like a condiment than a main course and only on occation.
Lots of excersize be it hard work or working out. The other areas are Sardinia, Okinawa, Costa Rica's Nicoya Peninsula, and Ikaria in Greece.
To me, your health is like the "1" in $1,000,000. Take the "1" away and your left with a bunch of zeros......... nada nothing zilch..
m

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Response to mitch96 (Reply #41)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 11:17 PM

42. I read that book, The Blue Zones.

It was very interesting. I attribute my excellent health to having given up beef & all meats except poultry years ago (for ethical, not health reasons). My excellent health won't last forever, but I'm surprised. I'm over 60 and had always thought of people over 60 as getting all sorts of health problems. I'm in the same or better health than I was when I was 30.

I also drink sugar free green tea as my beverage of choice. Antioxidants.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #42)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 12:49 PM

43. The Blue Zones., yup that's the book..

There is just too much evidence based science that a Whole foods plant based diet will keep you healthy as we age.. I don't eat meat for health reasons. All the men in my family died of heart disease in their late '50s and early '60s. I'm gonna be 70 soon so eating this way is what I call the "grand experiment"..
I will sometimes eat broiled or steamed Alaska (not farm raised) salmon once a month or maybe sardine toast with avocado. That's my treat. It has my B-12 dose for the week.
I guess I'm just an old hippy veg doing my yoga/palates with a long walk thrown in for good measure... Such a cliché
m

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Response to mitch96 (Reply #43)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 01:10 PM

44. Good on you!

I bet you get flack for not eating beef. It's the "manly" thing to do. I get some flack, as it is, even though I'm female and a liberal.

I have not been able to give up poultry. It's hard to replace that lean, low cholesterol protein source, I love it, and I don't feel as bad about eating chickens as I do cattle, sheep, and such. But I have not given up on my goal of giving it up.

I do eat fish, although it's pretty expensive...so it's rare that I buy non-canned fish. I eat canned salmon sometimes, but I am suspicious of anything in cans.

I do walk every day, although not far, now, because of my new non-walkable neighborhood.

I'm not a health nut, though, IMO. I just try to live a healthy lifestyle, which (as you probably know) is foreign to some people. But I still splurge on fried chicken and candy now and then, skip my walk, etc. The rebel in me.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #44)

Thu Jun 13, 2019, 03:28 PM

45. "get flack for not eating beef."

I'm lucky I have people around me that know I'm just a bit weird, but in a good way. I'm not totally against red meat. It's just left to my own devices, I don't eat it. If I was invited over to a friend or acquaintances house for dinner and they had good Texas Brisket or prime rib, I'd eat some to be polite. I'd just eat more of the available veg. I eat bird on occasion, usually hot chicken wings. I draw the line at processed food especially if I don't recognize the ingredients. Sometimes you have to be a chemist to know whats in that stuff...
One persons "health nut" is just normal to to others. "Tweech" his own..
m

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:35 PM

18. Everyone should read this

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:41 PM

19. From the BMJOpen article (original study)

Ultra-processed foods and added sugars in the US diet: evidence from a nationally representative cross-sectional study

In conclusion, we found that ultra-processed foods contribute almost 60% of calories and 90% of added sugars consumed in the USA. Only Americans in the lowest quintile of ultra-processed food consumption met the recommended guidelines for intake of added sugars. Decreasing the consumption of ultra-processed foods could be an effective way of reducing the excessive intake of added sugars in the USA.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 04:47 PM

22. Maybe a mental health problem also...

I don't have a fancy link, but that is a working hypothesis.
I tell people food additives are the reason we have so many mass shootings and Trump as a president.

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Response to rwsanders (Reply #22)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 05:00 PM

24. there is a strong link between the gut and the brain.

i dont doubt this at all.
cuz somethin is happening, and it is happening all over.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 05:11 PM

26. Been doing for 30 yrs. I think I know how it works with Obesity & article obliquely confirms

I'm pretty sure that the key is that the body is getting a lack of nutrients in highly processed food or (as article indicates & new angle to me) that any nutrients are poorly absorbed. Probably some of both.

So then the body signals to the brain "We need more food" to get the missing nutrients so we eat more food than strictly necessary and we gain weight.

By avoiding processed foods, we break that cycle in multiple ways.

1) There are more nutrients and cooperating nutrients left in the food. Not taken out and then a very limited number put back in without co-nutrients (my terminology). We know that certain minerals like zinc and selenium in small or trace amounts promote absorption of some other nutrients. There are many complex interactions. Raw & natural sourcing preserves those interactions.

2) Less disruptive to the gut biome. We know that over consumption of some food-like substances disrupts the gut. These are added to processed foods to promote sales.

3) Processed foods are often said to have "great taste" by the lumpenproletariat by which I mean the average consumer who as a group are not very skilled or experienced in varieties or paying careful attention to taste.

This "great taste" and mouth appeal (crunchiness for example) are like blunt instruments: they clobber the taste buds to send a jolt to the brain, but there is no nuance or complexity. It's like hearing two minutes of Rancid versus two minutes of Mozart.

So, avoiding processed foods includes training the mind to resense and reperceive the multitude of complexities of taste available. Rancid may provide a thrill, but Mozart is deeper and more beneficial even if it might take a little getting used to.

4) Processed foods encourage snacking. Real foods require user-preparation so they take time to prepare and thus meals are more like meals.

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 05:12 PM

27. Can you say duh?

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Response to Javaman (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 11:12 PM

35. I remember in University studying Agriculture(which is a STEM program dammit!)

Learning the molecular makeup of different fats. When we got to hydrogenated fats and realized Americans were eating tons of a man made fat our body had no evolutionary history with and decided they were poison.

Since that day I have not intentionally consumed margarine or crisco. Or and type of it.

Over time I have included many other types of oils to my list. I come from a frying culture. And still do it pretty regularly. But now only use lard, duck fat, and olive oil. And yes, you can fry in olive oil if you mind your temperature. If you have ever eaten the delicious fried street food in Italy it was fried in olive oil.

And we still use strictly butter.

And organic where possible.

I’m still gonna die. And it may well be diet related. But it won’t be fake food that kills me. And I will have eaten better than most humans who have ever lived on the planet. That means a lot to me.





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