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Sun Jun 9, 2019, 11:48 AM

Former White House Ethics Chief Proposes 'Golf On Your Own Damn Dime Act'

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/walter-shaub-tump-golf-on-your-dime_n_5cfc4b2ee4b04e90f1ca69ea


The former White House ethics chief is sarcastically proposing a ďGolf on Your Own Damn Dime Act of 2019.Ē

Walter Shaub, who served under President Barack Obama before leaving his post a few months after Donald Trump took office in 2017, pitched the mock law in response to Trumpís record number of golf trips to his own resort properties ó even during official trips abroad.

The taxpayer tab for presidentís pricey golf outings is now up to nearly $106 million, according to a HuffPost analysis. But whatís unique for a golfing president is that Trump owns the resorts heís visiting, so the publicly funded trips also serve to finance and advertise his private businesses.

How about a law that says anytime POTUS visits a property on or adjacent to a golf course, he/she must pay for all costs incurred by the entourage from the minute he/she left the White House until he/she is back inside the White House? The Golf On Your Own Damn Dime Act of 2019
ó Walter Shaub (@waltshaub) June 8, 2019


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Reply Former White House Ethics Chief Proposes 'Golf On Your Own Damn Dime Act' (Original post)
highplainsdem Jun 9 OP
empedocles Jun 9 #1
BigmanPigman Jun 9 #24
empedocles Jun 9 #25
rainin Jun 9 #2
Hortensis Jun 9 #3
SWBTATTReg Jun 9 #4
PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 9 #21
SWBTATTReg Jun 9 #22
PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 9 #30
SWBTATTReg Jun 10 #34
PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 10 #39
SWBTATTReg Jun 11 #40
PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 11 #42
SWBTATTReg Wednesday #44
calimary Jun 9 #5
keithbvadu2 Jun 9 #6
FakeNoose Jun 9 #8
ProudLib72 Jun 9 #7
keithbvadu2 Jun 9 #10
Scarsdale Jun 9 #12
Lars39 Jun 10 #35
Achilleaze Jun 9 #9
usaf-vet Jun 9 #11
Pepsidog Jun 9 #13
DesertRat Jun 9 #14
Karadeniz Jun 9 #15
FloridaBlues Jun 9 #16
spanone Jun 9 #17
MyOwnPeace Jun 10 #36
onlyadream Jun 9 #18
Grins Jun 9 #19
Retrograde Jun 11 #43
ancianita Jun 9 #20
malaise Jun 9 #23
Golden Raisin Jun 9 #26
BlueJac Jun 9 #27
Blue_playwright Jun 9 #28
SergeStorms Jun 9 #32
Blue_playwright Jun 9 #33
pansypoo53219 Jun 9 #29
drmeow Jun 9 #31
MyOwnPeace Jun 10 #37
cstanleytech Jun 10 #38
Achilleaze Jun 11 #41

Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:22 PM

1. Dems should pass such a bill!

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Response to empedocles (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 05:26 PM

24. So McConnell can laugh in our faces?

He is as big a problem as the fucking moron and Fux Ruse are to our dying democracy.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #24)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 06:06 PM

25. Put House 'cons on record. Get some news coverage.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:22 PM

2. Charge based on value. Every benefit Trump organization receives must be repaid.

People who do this every day can determine a value beyond just the cost of the entourage. He gets exposure. He attracts foreign dignitaries and their entourage. Donors spend money at trump properties for the obvious reason that trump will reward it. He must pay it all back. Any advantage he has that the non-trump property doesn't get must be paid back.

I'm fine with liquidating all of it after he goes to jail -- along with all his kids.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:24 PM

3. Simpler: The "Not One Damned Dime" Act

for all politicians. No free pens, no free lunch, no free flights, no free events at private estates.

They like their jobs too much for our wellbeing as it is. Make people come to them and meet in meeting rooms if distance communications won't do.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:25 PM

4. Yes, and rump should pay the taxes on these benefits too, all $106 million of it, taxes on it. ...

Why not? If you get excess life insurance valued at over $50K, you have to pay taxes, if you get benefits of some kind (that's not in cash, but implied benefits etc.), you have to pay taxes on it. This is exactly the same thing.

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Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 02:33 PM

21. My understanding of life insurance proceeds is that they are not taxable.

At least not at the federal level. Maybe some states collect tax. It's that precise non taxability of life insurance that has rich people use such policies as tax saving or tax sheltering vehicles.

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Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #22)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 09:47 PM

30. Are you saying that if the premium in a given year is over 50k then it is taxable?

I only know a little bit about such things, and so may be more confused than I think I am.

some years ago my husband and I started paying on a second to die life insurance policy, with our two sons as beneficiaries, although the policy itself was "The Oglethorpe Children Family trust" Or maybe "Life Insurance Trust". I don't recall precisely and at the moment can't look it up. Anyway, because at the time we were anticipating having more wealth than we wound up with, and also because of the inheritance taxes then in effect, we purchased this policy. It was a way to shelter money. After a while our financial prospects diminished, and the yearly premium was going to double, to an amount that we simply could not afford to pay. So we froze the policy at its then value. However, I want to stress that the yearly payment was significantly less than $50k, and even the increased amount would be well below that.

About a year ago, because of certain changes in circumstances, we were able to cash in the policy. It wound up being worth twice what I thought it was, which was a pleasant surprise. No taxes were due on the increase.

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Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #34)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:29 PM

39. Well, since the excess life insurance through your place of employment

isn't taxable to the employee, it's kind of misleading to say that life insurance is taxable. Even a cashed in policy probably isn't taxable, although I've only had experience with one such.

I think taxing life insurance proceeds would cause rioting in the streets. Unless it were only for payouts in excess of a million dollars. Even then, the wealthy would raise enough of a stink that it wouldn't happen.

And what's an SME?

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Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #40)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 08:51 PM

42. Thank you.

I hate to complain, but sme isn't an obvious abbreviation.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #42)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:04 PM

44. SME is a well established, long known abbreviation used in many different occupations. To be ...

honest, I was shocked that you didn't know this abbreviation. No insult meant, but again, SME is one of the better known abbreviations that are out there.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:27 PM

5. Sounds like a good idea to me. Can we make it retroactive

so it covers trump?

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:27 PM

6. Secret Service has spent $35,000 on golf cart rentals since inauguration: report

That's four months after inauguration.

Secret Service has spent $35,000 on golf cart rentals since inauguration: report

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/328942-secret-service-has-spent-more-than-35000-on-golf-cart-rentals

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #6)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:37 PM

8. Now it's two years later and the tab is probably over $1 million

Just remember that every one of these cart "rentals" is paid to a Trump resort property.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:30 PM

7. We have yet to pay for Uday and Qusay's rounds for everyone at the Irish pub

However much I would like for Doonbeg to eat that loss since they are magats, I know American taxpayers will end up footing the bill.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:49 PM

10. Another article said they finally paid it after being shamed into it.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:13 PM

12. During the 2 day stop in Ireland,

this crew of grifters rented 4 luxury SUV's. To buy one it cost $172,000. The 2 day rental cost just less than 1 MILLION !!! $938,000.00. Figure THAT one out, and taxpayers will foot the bill of course.

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:49 AM

35. Easy! Kickbacks

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:37 PM

9. republican "billionaires" can pay for their own GD luxury goof offs

Why are republicans saddling the American taxpayer with the bill for their draft-dodging "billionaires" luxuries?

Hello?

This is beyond unfair and stupid. It's freaking evil.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:03 PM

11. How many republicans look the other way when Trumps uses the treasury to enrich himself, BECAUSE....

they can't tolerate the fact of just how nuts he would be without his stress reliever.

I wonder if they would let him use the treasury to pay hush money to hookers?

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:14 PM

13. Trump couldn't afford it

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:17 PM

14. GOYODDA

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:46 PM

15. Ive always thought something needed to be done since the grifter took the throne. There

is a budget of sorts; Michelle has said that any food or gifts for her personal friends was charged to her. The Trump kids combine business with pleasure. We're paying for them to travel the world conducting their business but under the aegis of the US government. Not right. We could start by enforcing anti nepotism, cronyism laws. These people are the ultimate users and abusers.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:53 PM

16. All Trumps think America is their private bank account

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 01:55 PM

17. The minute our govt. gave trump properties a single dime...the emoluments act was violated

by now it's to the tune of tens of millions of dollars for his fucking golf.

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Response to spanone (Reply #17)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:54 AM

36. THAT law (emoluments)

already exists and they don't do a damned thing about it.
What good would another one do?

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 02:01 PM

18. Interestingly it took the Obamas a full 8 years to spend $106 M

on personal travel, and trump less than three years. Where is the outrage from the right wing assholes?

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 02:17 PM

19. Suppose the POTUS was named Eisenhower? Or Kennedy? Or Clinton? Or Obama...? Too broad.

And then there is this guy:

"I see our president criticized for playing golf. I don't. I think he ought to play golf. I know the pressures of the job, and to be able to get outside and play golf with some of your pals is important for the president. It does give you an outlet. I think it's good for the president to be out playing golf." - George W. Bush defending Obama playing golf, 23 Sept. 2013.

What makes the inarticulate pumpkin traitor's golf offensive to so many is his (and his party's, and the GOP's sprawling Fox News/Hate-Radio propaganda empire) years of attacking Obama for playing the game, and his promise: "I'm going to be working for you; I'm not going to have time to go play golf." )


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Response to Grins (Reply #19)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 10:44 PM

43. There's a slight difference

between a few rounds at Camp David - or even being treated to some rounds at a private club - and channeling golf cart rental fees, rooms, meals, etc. from a resort one owns into one's own pockets. And that's what makes Boss Tweet's golfing junkets so offensive to me.

I agree that presidents are entitled to some leisure time: if they're actually doing their job it's a very high-stress, 24X7 job. Fresh air and exercise is a good way to relieve stress.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 02:26 PM

20. Ethics made law? To pass a law to curb every personal misuse of taxpayer money? Pathetic.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 04:29 PM

23. The word ethics has been removed from the lexicon

for this administration

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 06:18 PM

26. We're a long way from when candidate Trump

said he'd, "Be too busy to play golf." Another lie from that bloated sack of dirt.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 06:46 PM

27. K&R

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 07:00 PM

28. Unpopular thinking here but...

I WANT our president to golf, swim, hunt, bike, go to movies, read fiction, eat at McDonalds, go on vacation! All the relaxing things that people do because they should recharge. Being at it every minute of every day and half the night (if youíre a normal prez), is mentally exhausting. I want them to be refreshed sometimes.

I also donít have a problem with folks going on vacation- In this day and age, people can be fully functional on a ranch in Texas or a home in Hawaii or even theoretically, Mar_a_Lago. They can have family time away from Washington. I didnít have trouble with Chimpy McCokespoon clearing brush on the pig farm.

Mar-a-Lago though is way too expensive to man and defend and WAY too public for long periods of time.

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Response to Blue_playwright (Reply #28)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 10:10 PM

32. Please.....

Maybe that would hold true for other legitimate, working presidents, but Donnie Darko is the antithesis of that. Trump doesn't start his day until 11:00 AM. Everything up to then is "executive time", with several other hour or so breaks during the day for for more "executive time". Trump actually needs work breaks from his "executive time". All totaled I don't believe Trump works more than 3-4 hours a day, if that. All play and no work makes Donnie a very dull and stupid boy, and it certainly shows!

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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #32)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 10:30 PM

33. I agree. We shouldn't make laws though to ...

Punish Trump when they can negatively affect future presidents. Itís a bit of a catch-22...

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 07:26 PM

29. or make him go to cmp david.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Sun Jun 9, 2019, 10:05 PM

31. If Obama was still president

It would pass both chambers tomorrow with a veto proof majority.

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Response to drmeow (Reply #31)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 06:57 AM

37. Of course!

It's based on the "Republican hypocrisy" law!

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Jun 10, 2019, 10:36 AM

38. I would modify it to say it comes into effect only after a certain number of trips to play golf

have been reached as while I could care less about any sport including golf I do realize that every President deserves some downtime to relax just like everyone else.

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Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Tue Jun 11, 2019, 06:30 AM

41. The repubes could start a Gourmet Golf Go-Fund-Me* campaign?

That would be classy.


* republican Draft-dodger-in-Chief

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