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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 08:22 AM Jun 2019

Dem Rep. Dingell: I Don't Want to 'Play Into Russia's Hands' by Dividing the US More...


Dem Rep. Dingell: I Don’t Want to ‘Play Into Russia’s Hands’ by Dividing the US More With a ‘Partisan Impeachment’

By Josh FeldmanMay 31st, 2019, 5:46 pm

More Democrats are coming out in favor of impeachment, but Michigan Congresswoman Debbie Dingell is supporting Speaker Nancy Pelosi‘s approach and saying she doesn’t want the country torn apart.

On MSNBC this afternoon, Dingell spoke with Chuck Todd about President Donald Trump‘s tariff threat and what Robert Mueller‘s message to Congress was.

She said she wants to see Mueller testify and emphasized that she’s concerned about what his report revealed about Russia’s goals:

“There is a theme that is throughout this report about how Russia is trying to divide this country. I don’t want to play into Russia’s hands and divide this country more with a partisan impeachment. So I am totally schizophrenic right now about all of the different things that are in there. So I do think he was telling people that his report is his testimony. People can interpret that report to be what we want it to be, I guess. I have read it. I’m on my third reading now. I think we have to do this in a bipartisan way.”


At one point Todd noted the big Democratic divide over impeachment and said, “The last time I feel like your party had this divide was over the Iraq War issue where a lot of people were thinking politically and what was good politics in the moment turned out to be bad politics five years later.”

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no_hypocrisy

(46,086 posts)
1. It would be ironic to have impeachment to save American democracy,
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 08:27 AM
Jun 2019

only to have the result of two separate countries again.

tanyev

(42,552 posts)
2. Then just take impeachment out of the Constitution.
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 08:38 AM
Jun 2019

Because if a Russian asset with Narcissistic Personality Disorder, nepotism on steroids, and deteriorating mental faculties doesn't require impeachment, I can't think of a situation that does.


Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
6. The last time we opposed the Iraq war
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 08:48 AM
Jun 2019

We were right. That is 100% true on DU. Sick of party leaders acting like voters know nothing. We were right about freaking Iraq.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
3. Yes, Democrats need to work with
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 08:40 AM
Jun 2019

The Putin/Trump party. I guarantee that will unite us under a new authoritarian government.
Dissent will not be allowed, dissenters will be jailed.

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
12. You have the chain of command all wrong...
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 09:15 AM
Jun 2019

It's Xi Jinping, Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un and then Trump.
And Teflon Don started a trade-war with China, thus slapping the most powerful man in the world in his face.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
4. If Donald Trump is NOT impeached, it will damage the country much more
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 08:45 AM
Jun 2019

...because voter turnout will be squelched in 2020, and the shitgibbon will win a 2nd term.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
13. He CAN be impeached - the senate has nothing to do with it.
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 09:16 AM
Jun 2019

Impeachment is a House of Representatives function. If he is NOT impeached after all of this, then impeachment will mean nothing in the future, and Congress will lose its most powerful tool per Article 1:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States#Procedure

Federal impeachment
Constitutional provisions
The House of Representatives ... shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

—Article I, Section 2, Clause 5
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present. Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States; but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

—Article I, Section 3, Clauses 6 and 7
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

TheBlackAdder

(28,186 posts)
5. How much more can it be divided? Clinton could work with Dems, why can't Trump's administration?
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 08:47 AM
Jun 2019

.

This argument holds little water, as the country is already divided.

Republicans have already dug into the trenches, Democrats have too, to the most part. The problem is that Democrats can be partially influenced by logic and fact, whereas Republicans are ignorant sheep and follow their new God.

The people we need to concern ourselves with are the Independents, who might be swayed by RW bullshit.


We're not here to convince the cultist Republicans, we're here to convince Independents that Trump is corrupt.

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WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
8. Agree. The only way I can picture it more so is...
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 09:00 AM
Jun 2019

If another physical Civil War broke out. Trump, the 'Con party and Russia already have family members and decades long friendships broken apart mostly because of the fear mongering, ignorance, bullying and other antisocial behavior they help stir up and encourage.

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