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shockey80

(4,379 posts)
Fri May 31, 2019, 08:13 PM May 2019

AG Barr has all but guaranteed we will enter into a major constitutional crisis.

When the AG of the United States basically says, Trump is not the criminal, the people who are trying to bring him to justice are the criminals, you are heading for a serious constitutional crisis. Barr said this in an interview. He is not even trying to hide what is planning to do. Barr is attacking the justice system, the rule of law. It's unbelievable.

Barr lied about Muellers report. The report said Trump was guilty, Barr said he was not. He flat out lied. That was a big warning for what is heading our way. Barr is attacking Mueller and his work. Mueller is the enemy according to Barr. I think it is reasonable to believe Barr will try to obstruct all of Muellers investigations that are still active. I believe he will try to obstruct the courts.

Buckle up everyone, America is going to war over the rule of law, It's going to get ugly.

I feel sorry for Mueller. He just wanted to do his job and then go back to his old life. He is now on the front line of a constitutional crisis. He must be shocked by what Barr is doing. It's going to be interesting to see what Mueller does next.

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AG Barr has all but guaranteed we will enter into a major constitutional crisis. (Original Post) shockey80 May 2019 OP
We have been in a constitutional crisis since Sherman A1 May 2019 #1
That's for real. dchill May 2019 #13
this is an assault on our democracy. spanone May 2019 #2
If that's what it takes bluestarone May 2019 #3
Barr should be the first to go down FakeNoose May 2019 #4
Nice pictorial fescuerescue May 2019 #8
That's a scary thought FakeNoose May 2019 #10
It's because we keep failing to prosecute the "last ones." appal_jack May 2019 #11
The problem is that our system works (worked)? Bettie May 2019 #5
From what I understand, Turin_C3PO May 2019 #12
And the head of the Marshal service Bettie May 2019 #17
Can federal judges deputize people? I thought they couldn't, otherwise Volaris May 2019 #18
You may be right. Turin_C3PO May 2019 #19
If I remember correctly, it was an oversight when the Constitution was written, Volaris May 2019 #20
If you have not seen Barr's interview, watch it, you will be shocked. shockey80 May 2019 #6
The chief of police: The criminals are innocent, my cops are the crooks. shockey80 May 2019 #7
The Constitution provides the remedies for addressing corruption. abqtommy May 2019 #9
Barr is backing Mueller into a corner. patphil May 2019 #14
Okay... so... Mr. Evil May 2019 #15
Here's a good summary of that interview.... KY_EnviroGuy May 2019 #16
Thanks KY Enviro Guy smirkymonkey May 2019 #21

bluestarone

(16,872 posts)
3. If that's what it takes
Fri May 31, 2019, 08:17 PM
May 2019

I'M READY!!!! THIS has to be fought and fought HARD! It will take us ALL to win!

FakeNoose

(32,596 posts)
4. Barr should be the first to go down
Fri May 31, 2019, 08:20 PM
May 2019

... well actually he's the fourth if you count Flynn, Manafort and Michael Cohen. But Bill Barr deserves his own investigation and indictment/s separate from those intended for Chump.

No one is above the law. Not Bill Barr, not Donald Chump.



fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
8. Nice pictorial
Fri May 31, 2019, 09:36 PM
May 2019

Just imagine how bad the next Republican will be!

Because each new one makes the last one look tame

FakeNoose

(32,596 posts)
10. That's a scary thought
Fri May 31, 2019, 09:42 PM
May 2019

I prefer to focus on my happy thoughts about our next Democratic President(s).
Please don't ruin my Friday night wine buzz.


 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
11. It's because we keep failing to prosecute the "last ones."
Fri May 31, 2019, 09:52 PM
May 2019

GHW Bush should have been prosecuted for Iran Contra.

GW Bush & Cheney should have been prosecuted for lying us into the Iraq War.

We need to begin the prosecution of 45, Pence, Barr, and Mnuchin simultaneously in one big impeachment inquiry into emoluments, nepotism, conspiracy w/ foreign dictators, perjury, obstruction of justice, etc. right now, while Democrats hold the House. "Looking forward" to 2020 while failing to address this very real crisis of the present moment is a recipe for exactly the failure you outline, fescuerescue.

-app

Bettie

(16,076 posts)
5. The problem is that our system works (worked)?
Fri May 31, 2019, 08:20 PM
May 2019

on the idea that laws are a thing.

Agent Orange and his minions don't accept that idea. So, they don't feel they have to follow silly things like "norms" and "laws".

Is there any enforcement mechanism for this? Is there anyone who can go above the AG's head?

Turin_C3PO

(13,911 posts)
12. From what I understand,
Fri May 31, 2019, 09:57 PM
May 2019

if Barr defies a federal court order then the judge could try and send US Marshalls to arrest him. The Marshalls might refuse because technically they work for DOJ. Then the judge could deputize someone outside of the Executive branch to carry out an arrest.

Bettie

(16,076 posts)
17. And the head of the Marshal service
Fri May 31, 2019, 11:17 PM
May 2019

was appointed by Trump.

Wow, laws really aren't a thing anymore.

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
18. Can federal judges deputize people? I thought they couldn't, otherwise
Fri May 31, 2019, 11:18 PM
May 2019

Why wouldnt the Marshalls Service just work directly (and constitituionaly) for the Judicary?

I thought the only enforcement mechanism at the federal level runs soley through the Executive Branch...

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
20. If I remember correctly, it was an oversight when the Constitution was written,
Fri May 31, 2019, 11:54 PM
May 2019

And remedied in every State Constitution written...it's why you have a Local Sherriff...a County is a State-level JUDUCIAL DISTRICT, and the sherriff and their staff all work for the COURT.

at the federal level, the US Marshalls Service does the same job, but Constitutionally, they all have to work for the Executive Branch, because again, no provision was included for law or order enforcement EXCEPT through the Executive ...

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
6. If you have not seen Barr's interview, watch it, you will be shocked.
Fri May 31, 2019, 08:22 PM
May 2019

You will understand why I wrote this post.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
7. The chief of police: The criminals are innocent, my cops are the crooks.
Fri May 31, 2019, 08:34 PM
May 2019

That's what Barr is doing. There is no way in hell this can end well.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
9. The Constitution provides the remedies for addressing corruption.
Fri May 31, 2019, 09:39 PM
May 2019

The crisis involves the hesitation to use these remedies!

patphil

(6,150 posts)
14. Barr is backing Mueller into a corner.
Fri May 31, 2019, 10:22 PM
May 2019

Mueller has said he doesn't want to go farther than he has in his recent public statement, but I think he won't be able to sit on the sideline as the Attorney General decimates the rule of law.
First and foremost, Mueller is a patriot.
As Barr attacks the justice system, Mueller will have to make the most important choice of his life.
He will have to choose where his loyalty truly lies.
Will he defer to the office of the Attorney General, or stand up for the thousands of men and women in the justice department who are being defamed by an Attorney General who works for the President instead of the people.

Patrick Phillips

Mr. Evil

(2,825 posts)
15. Okay... so...
Fri May 31, 2019, 10:25 PM
May 2019

Is it safe to assume (I know assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups) that Barr is a closet Nazi? Or is he just a run-of-the-mill racist bigot? Does Russia and Daddy Vladdy have something on him, too? All of the above?

The stench of this shitshow of an administration just keeps getting more and more rancid every fucking day! They are attempting to accomplish something that is very warped, very corrupt and very, very bad for this country. Somebody has to know something about what they're plotting. Someone out there has to be willing, very soon, to finally spell it out for us, once and for all.

One thing is definite. This country cannot continue like this much longer.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
16. Here's a good summary of that interview....
Fri May 31, 2019, 10:45 PM
May 2019

Perhaps easier to stomach than the video. New York Magazine does a great job of calling out Barr's bullshit and lies...

In Terrifying Interview, William Barr Goes Full MAGA
By Jonathan Chait

Read it here: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/william-barr-interview-cbs-mueller-coup-trump.html

..........

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