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Thu May 30, 2019, 04:22 PM

I don't see the downside of Impeachment

If the Democrats don't begin impeachment proceedings, they will forever have to live with the fact that the President was unfit for office and they did nothing. As the story goes, the house will impeach, the senate will not convict, and Trump will rise stronger and more powerful. I don't see that. If Trump is a spectacle on TV, with his crimes laid out over and over, the tide may turn. Even the most dim Trump voter will have to have doubts or conclude it is all a plot against their dear leader. But I don't see but a small minority not having some doubts when impeachment dominates the news. Make the GOP go on record that they are supporting the corrupt Trump. Make them vote and stand by it. When the election comes, perhaps most voters will be simply sick and tired of Trump and the endless crimes and investigations. They might vote for whoever runs against him, and since Hillary is out of the picture what can they find so bad that Trump is better? I refuse to believe that given a choice Americans will vote for a crook. They got conned once, but twice?

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Reply I don't see the downside of Impeachment (Original post)
extvbroadcaster May 2019 OP
InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #1
real Cannabis calm May 2019 #6
brutus smith May 2019 #7
InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #20
ancianita May 2019 #24
medyhar May 2019 #2
Nuggets May 2019 #12
InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #21
sugarmommom May 2019 #3
PufPuf23 May 2019 #15
InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #22
Poiuyt May 2019 #26
LiberalLovinLug Jun 2019 #34
wryter2000 May 2019 #4
Aristus May 2019 #11
PufPuf23 May 2019 #17
Aristus May 2019 #18
uponit7771 Jun 2019 #30
uponit7771 May 2019 #5
enough May 2019 #8
berni_mccoy May 2019 #10
procon May 2019 #19
uponit7771 Jun 2019 #31
wasupaloopa May 2019 #9
wryter2000 May 2019 #16
Poiuyt Jun 2019 #32
walkingman May 2019 #13
InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #23
andym May 2019 #14
Tertullian May 2019 #25
kimbutgar May 2019 #27
zanana1 Jun 2019 #28
patphil Jun 2019 #29
zentrum Jun 2019 #33
Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #35

Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 04:29 PM

1. I see only upside... the downside is if the House DOESN'T impeach the bastard!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #1)

Thu May 30, 2019, 04:42 PM

6. The "downside" is that impeachment would fail & rally GOP voters! Here's why:

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Response to real Cannabis calm (Reply #6)

Thu May 30, 2019, 04:48 PM

7. "Rally GOP VOTERS"?

 

We need to worry about Dem voters, not GOP scum.

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Response to brutus smith (Reply #7)

Thu May 30, 2019, 06:39 PM

20. BINGO!!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #1)

Fri May 31, 2019, 03:25 PM

24. +1000

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 04:33 PM

2. AND the House gets more access under an impeachment inquiry

 

IMHO, it is obvious Pelosi is delaying this forever so it never happens.

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Response to medyhar (Reply #2)

Thu May 30, 2019, 05:00 PM

12. No they don't.

 

They have the exact same access now. It’s not on the news now.
It seems the trolls think they have found their wedge issue for Dems.

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Response to medyhar (Reply #2)

Thu May 30, 2019, 06:42 PM

21. Don't think Pelosi will delay impeachment much longer... otherwise, that will not go over well!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 04:36 PM

3. Pelosi noted, only about 15% of House Democrats are "outspoken on impeachment" at this time.

"Washington (CNN)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler resisted pressure from the left to open an impeachment inquiry on Wednesday, following special counsel Robert Mueller's announcement he's closing his office and would not provide information beyond his already public report in any appearance before Congress.

...Pelosi noted, only about 15% of House Democrats are "outspoken on impeachment" at this time..." (5/30/2019)

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Response to sugarmommom (Reply #3)

Thu May 30, 2019, 05:04 PM

15. That means that 85% of House Democrats are not educating themselves nor

listening to the rank and file of their constituents, they are only listening to the Chamber of Commerce Democrats and not the majority of the party. Some of these folks live in a bubble and do not recognize how much they are isolated from most citizens. House Democrats should be leading the charge and more concerned about the extent and cascading of damage from Trump as POTUS.

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #15)

Thu May 30, 2019, 06:48 PM

22. Absolutely right! Not listening to their constituents could lose Democrats the House...

Pelosi is politically savvy enough to know this, so, it's just a matter of time - soon I hope!! - before the start of impeachment proceedings.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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Response to sugarmommom (Reply #3)

Fri May 31, 2019, 09:54 PM

26. Just because they aren't outspoken doesn't mean they wouldn't vote to impeach

I'm guessing that most Democrats in the House would vote to impeach unless they come from very conservative districts.

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Response to sugarmommom (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 3, 2019, 07:49 AM

34. 15% are "outspoken"? What does that mean?

Half of the large slate of candidates have spoken up in favor. I'd project that percent at minimum on the party as a whole.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 04:37 PM

4. The two downsides

1. Do it now, and it's over and forgotten by the American people before the election.

2. Do it before we have evidence of his financial crimes, and we miss out on charging him with those.

I'm all for impeachment but not now. Time it so the worst is coming out in September of 2020. We must remove him from office, and impeachment won't do that.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #4)

Thu May 30, 2019, 04:58 PM

11. I agree. Put the proceedings into full gear once election season rolls around.

Have Trump try to campaign with this around his neck.

It's too soon to bring up the big guns.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #11)

Thu May 30, 2019, 05:13 PM

17. But during election season we should be worried about selecting the best candidates

and the proposed and final candidates should be listening and talking to their constituents.

Start the impeachment process and investigation now and then have the vote at a critical time, it is Pelosi's choice as SOH to schedule the vote. That way Trump is most exposed as are the GOP in general and the Democratic party benefits as a whole, top to bottom.

How impeachment is approached by Democratic law makers and candidates will have a large bearing on my vote and what I recommend to others in life away from DU.

You are flat out wrong to think there should be a wait to election season. Open the process now and vote when the votes are there.

Another thing is to not make the Mueller investigation and report the be all and end all; the result so far has been just about what I expected. Mueller is a GOP fixer and has been for his entire career. Just another Fitzmas (which was what I expected at that time too).

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Response to PufPuf23 (Reply #17)

Thu May 30, 2019, 05:21 PM

18. The primaries are up to the voters. Let's choose the candidates we want.

And let the House get on with the investigations. They could subpoena Trump to appear before Congress at times that would make it inconvenient, if not impossible, to campaign on the road.

Meanwhile, our selected candidate can be on the road campaigning with gusto while Trump is in a hearing room somewhere, putting his hand over the mike and leaning over to his council for whispered advice all day.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #4)

Sat Jun 1, 2019, 04:15 PM

30. Put proceedings in full gear

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 04:38 PM

5. Politically there isn't a lot for the party that doing the impeaching. The party of the impeached ..

... does not fare to well historically.

Even Clinton's numbers fell sharp with republicans post impeachment and democrats did not gain control of anything

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 04:51 PM

8. The Democrats send it to the Senate. The Senate votes to "exonerate" Trump,

and Trump rides that wave of pure righteous vindication right into his second term as President.

I see no downside for Trump.

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Response to enough (Reply #8)

Thu May 30, 2019, 04:56 PM

10. He claims that either way

He can say... "Dems couldn't impeach because they didn't have anything on me!"

or "If I did anything wrong, why didn't they IMPEACH ME?!?!"

See how that works?

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #10)

Thu May 30, 2019, 05:25 PM

19. If the House Impeached Trump that's

like an indictment by a grand jury. It doesn't go away, so once he's charged, even after an acquittal, Trump will always carry the stigma of Impeachment just like Clinton has.

The Constitution grants to the House of Representatives "the sole power of impeachment", and the Senate has the power to try all Impeachments and either convict or acquit.

Impeachment is a “remedial” tool that serves to maintain our constitutional government by removing individuals unfit for office. Whether or not the Republican Senate can set aside politics to examine the evidence the the House presents on Impeachment, won't change the fact that Trump was Impeached.

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Response to enough (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 1, 2019, 04:16 PM

31. False dichotomy, senate not needed to follow constitution and hurt Trump/republicans

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 04:56 PM

9. What is the outcome you are looking for? You have to start there.

 

Then is that outcome realistic? What are the chances of attaining that outcome?

What are the risks?

Did you do that kind of analysis?

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #9)

Thu May 30, 2019, 05:11 PM

16. Really good point

I think most people eager for impeachment are only looking at how right it is to do, as in the Democrats' duty. i have to agree with that completely. But my goal, and I think it should be everyone's, is to make sure he doesn't get another four years to commit his crimes. If I understand correctly, the statute of limitations on some of the obstruction counts will expire before 2024. If we hope to charge him with them and put him in jail after he's out of office, he has to lose in 2020. (Of course, he continues obstructing every day, so that might not be a big problem.)

So, yes, impeach, but do it in a way that most hurts his chances of winning in 2020.

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #9)

Sat Jun 1, 2019, 04:43 PM

32. The outcome I'm looking for is to have trump labeled as an impeached president

I know he won't be removed, but history will always see that he was impeached.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 05:00 PM

13. I thought the exact same thing about "W". I am leaning more and more towards impeachment because

I don't think any Trump voter will change their mind no matter what he does and I suspect that most Independents are fed up with him. I worry more about the Dems turning out - that has always been our Achilles heal. There are not enough Republicans to win dog catcher if Dems turned out in most elections.

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Response to walkingman (Reply #13)

Thu May 30, 2019, 06:51 PM

23. Precisely!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 05:04 PM

14. There is only one downside: Trump will claim exoneration

when the Senate invariably finds him not guilty in the trial that follows impeachment. It will be public relations bonanza for him.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Fri May 31, 2019, 09:48 PM

25. I agree.

no message

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Fri May 31, 2019, 10:35 PM

27. Clinton got impeached for lying about a bj, but fat donnie with Russia's help to win the election

And Then profiting off being president despite being outrageous, treasonous and traitorous not subject to impeachment? To accept this and enable it makes you an enemy of America.

To salvage our constitution fat donnie needs to be impeached in congress. Turtle is so corrupt he won’t even bring up impeachment hearings in the senate. The Democrats will have the perfect narrative. Fat Donnie and Turtle want to tear up our constitution and make it a worthless piece of paper. The law of the land is thrown out the window. Liberty and justice for all is now bullshit.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Sat Jun 1, 2019, 08:30 AM

28. Impeachment and removal means President Pence.

And Pence, even though he's batshit evangelical, could be elected in 2020.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Sat Jun 1, 2019, 04:13 PM

29. I agree, there is no downside.

I also believe it would be nearly impossible for the Senate to find him guilty and remove him from office.
Since Trump's wrongdoing is blatant, the Senate's decision of not guilty would blow up in their faces.

Patrick Phillips

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Sun Jun 2, 2019, 11:19 AM

33. Nadler is televising

...investigations into Mueller findings in a few weeks.

This is the groundwork needed. Nadler's point is that until you get majority support from the people, impeachment will be a flop.

The investigations are designed to make the country itself start clamoring for impeachment.

It can't just come from a the blue states. Or it risks helping Trump.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #33)

Mon Jun 3, 2019, 08:27 AM

35. Great news on televised hearings. But, the issue

Of public opinion is not that simple to me. What happened when Mueller obstruction info came out? Their side said "No big deal. Nothing to see here. See, he didn't charge him.". Couple that with our side not unilaterally stating that we believe there were impeachable offenses there. Add in that we are proceeding to investigate so we can achieve ironclad, compelling evidence, what would the average person think?
That we don't have it now. It's not like you can be outraged retroactively.

And, how can we even expect support for impeachment to grow without any additional new crimes to lump in anytime soon? With trump doing his drag it out in court dance?

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