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Thu May 30, 2019, 11:30 AM

How the Brits view Trump

From a Facebook post:

Someone asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?"

Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:

"A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.

Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
* Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
* You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.

After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.

In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:

'My God… what… have… I… created?

If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set."

Thanks Occupy Democrats

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Poiuyt May 30 OP
Cirque du So-What May 30 #1
Left-over May 30 #14
real Cannabis calm May 30 #62
KatyMan May 30 #2
angrychair May 30 #45
sheepfarm May 31 #69
smirkymonkey May 30 #3
zentrum May 30 #18
smirkymonkey May 30 #31
zentrum May 30 #38
lagomorph777 May 30 #39
lunatica May 30 #50
NoMoreRepugs May 30 #4
malaise May 30 #5
northoftheborder May 30 #6
hlthe2b May 30 #7
flamingdem May 30 #8
Submariner May 30 #9
lagomorph777 May 30 #40
Dem_4_Life May 30 #10
cwydro May 30 #11
ChazInAz May 30 #58
SunSeeker May 30 #12
zentrum May 30 #13
SWBTATTReg May 30 #15
MrModerate May 30 #16
renate May 30 #17
MyOwnPeace May 30 #19
ChubbyStar May 30 #20
Amimnoch May 30 #21
Texin May 30 #22
CloudWatcher May 30 #23
DENVERPOPS May 30 #27
3catwoman3 May 30 #33
GetRidOfThem May 31 #70
sop May 30 #52
SMC22307 May 30 #56
llmart May 30 #24
Rabrrrrrr May 30 #25
Lucky Luciano May 30 #26
sdfernando May 30 #28
50 Shades Of Blue May 30 #29
yonder May 30 #30
3catwoman3 May 30 #32
narnian60 May 30 #63
bronxiteforever May 30 #34
snacker May 30 #35
More_Cowbell May 30 #36
defacto7 May 30 #48
FakeNoose May 31 #66
whathehell May 30 #37
Marcuse May 30 #41
dchill May 31 #64
Loge23 May 30 #42
FakeNoose May 31 #65
Totally Tunsie May 30 #43
Buns_of_Fire May 30 #44
maddiemom May 31 #73
moondust May 30 #46
Blue Owl May 30 #47
Blue_Tires May 30 #49
NNadir May 30 #53
sheepfarm May 31 #71
Blue_Tires May 31 #72
bluecollar2 May 30 #51
MBS May 30 #54
A HERETIC I AM May 30 #55
JimGinPA May 30 #61
ChazInAz May 30 #57
Ligyron May 30 #59
Hekate May 30 #60
MasonDreams May 31 #67
sheepfarm May 31 #68

Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 11:35 AM

1. Well, that was enjoyable

and further deepens my appreciation for English insults.

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #1)

Thu May 30, 2019, 12:29 PM

14. The Brits do have a way wit words.

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Response to Left-over (Reply #14)

Thu May 30, 2019, 11:00 PM

62. recommended to publicize

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 11:37 AM

2. And yet

The clown Prince of brexit is poised to be their next PM...

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Response to angrychair (Reply #45)

Fri May 31, 2019, 07:21 AM

69. Jail is very unlikely for Johnson

But if he way found to be deliberately lied during the run up to the EU referendum then it would be seriously damaging to him - however it would impossible to know what the fallout would be given these strange times.

In a way its a shame it has come to this, but those leading the top of the British political establishment have only themselves to blame. In the 20th century nearly all ministers and other politicians that got caught up lying or abusing their public office would resign in disgrace and fall out of the public eye to at best being a backbench MP. However a lot of the current crop in the House of Commons are much more shameless. Labour under Tony Blair largely started this idea of bringing back in politicians into government whom had previously resigned because of misconduct because he was so desperate to have Peter Mandelson close to him at all times, but this current crop of Conservatives are just taking the piss. So now the only way to fight back against this lack of respect for public office is to get the law involved rather than simply relying on unwritten conventions.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 11:38 AM

3. I have seen this before, but it is completely spot on.

It captures Trump's despicable personality to a tee. It honestly baffles me how anyone could observe the man in action and find him likable.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #3)

Thu May 30, 2019, 12:32 PM

18. Here's another Brit answering the

.....question from the same thread.

By Jason Street

Why do many British people not like Donald Trump?
Prior to becoming President, Trump whilst building his golf courses in Scotland Trump defrauded numerous contractors in the building of his golf courses leaving multiple small businesses in debt and having to foreclose!!!

He tasked his son Donald Jnr to devalue the value of properties of residents living within the vicinity of his golf courses and he did this publicly!!!!

At his Turnberry golf course, part of the purchase agreement was that local residents were to be able to access the beach. He then signed the agreement and purchased the land, then proceeded to fence the beach off to local residents!!!

He bullied and publicly shamed pensioners (that had lived there all their lives) who weren’t willing to sell their land for the reduced value he was offering!

He then had the cheek to campaign with his team of heavies to eliminate clean renewable energy on Scottish Coastlines because he felt wind power looked unsightly!

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Response to zentrum (Reply #18)

Thu May 30, 2019, 01:15 PM

31. God, he is SUCH an asshole!!

I am amazed the locals haven't gotten together and torches his golf courses and properties already. 😡😤

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #31)

Thu May 30, 2019, 01:51 PM

38. Me too.

But, same for this country. He ripped off worker after worker. Stiffed contractors.

I just don't get it.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #3)

Thu May 30, 2019, 01:51 PM

39. "His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws..."

There is so much rhetorical god in this post! Beautiful.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #39)

Thu May 30, 2019, 06:37 PM

50. I agree!

I love language!

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 11:40 AM

4. That was AWESOME, in addition to being accurate.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 11:40 AM

5. Delish

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 11:46 AM

6. Kicked, bookmarked, fabulous.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 11:49 AM

7. Thank you, Brits for not holding back. If it weren't for Brexit, I'd beg you to take us back...

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 11:51 AM

8. Well done!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 11:57 AM

9. The Brits should tell the USAF to cover over the "United States of America"

and "Presidential Seal" on Air Force 1 when Trump visits, because Trump is so divisive and such an embarrassment to the United Kingdom, and they don't want to take a chance that the Queen or Monty Python might see the plane in passing.

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Response to Submariner (Reply #9)

Thu May 30, 2019, 02:01 PM

40. Trump is Mr. Gumby.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 12:08 PM

10. OMG that's absolutely perfect and spot on!!!



Priceless!

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 12:09 PM

11. "Sniveling sidekick."

That is a perfect description of his behavior with the dictators.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #11)

Thu May 30, 2019, 09:05 PM

58. Uriah Heep.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 12:14 PM

12. I have the same reasons. nt

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 12:25 PM

13. Perfectly done.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 12:30 PM

15. Very nice! nt

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 12:31 PM

16. This view is not restricted to Brits. n/t

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 12:32 PM

17. "Jabba the Hutt of privilege"

This is all beautiful, but that line tickled me.

But if there was one word used in this piece that sums him up best, I'd say it was "nasty." It's pretty undeniable; even people who like him would have to admit that part of what they like about him is his nastiness.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 12:37 PM

19. Well.....

THAT was Bloody Brilliant!!!

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 12:38 PM

20. So sublime

" he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid."

This is so perfect.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 12:45 PM

21. I want to find and share that post!

Brilliantly British!

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 12:51 PM

22. That is *brilliant*!

I've actually read this previously - can't remember where - but the single line that shines the most for me is this:

"In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump".

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 12:52 PM

23. a challenge ...

I've often pondered a challenge ... can I name even one admirable quality in Trump?

Of course not any of his "policies" .. such as they are. But even people you despise can have admirable qualities.

But Trump. Hmm. Good husband? Good father? Good friend? Caring person? Art lover? Philanthropist? Humanitarian? Successful businessman? Decent employer? Skilled warrior? Smart investor? Global thinker? Team player?

Anything? Anything at all?

He fails and fails and fails by any rational metric.

I've been reduced to one. He might eventually make good worm food if buried in a wood coffin. But I suspect they'll use some metal casket so even that lowest of low bars is a fail.

Even to the GOP, it appears his main appeal is simply the ability to piss off anyone with a brain and especially liberals.

Tell me again how I'm supposed to respect Trump supporters?

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Response to CloudWatcher (Reply #23)

Thu May 30, 2019, 12:59 PM

27. CloudWatcher

Awesome statement !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Perfect in every sense.

I would worry that the worms that devoured him would get dug up and used to go fishing. The worms would cause all the fish in the stream to die off........LOL

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Response to CloudWatcher (Reply #23)

Thu May 30, 2019, 01:25 PM

33. He has NO redeeming qualities.

Not. A. Single. One.

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Response to 3catwoman3 (Reply #33)

Fri May 31, 2019, 07:42 AM

70. Agreeed.

100% on target.

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Response to CloudWatcher (Reply #23)

Thu May 30, 2019, 07:05 PM

52. "his main appeal is simply the ability to piss off anyone with a brain and especially liberals."

Once you scratch their paper-thin veneer of support for Trump, his followers are left with nothing more than "owning the liberals." Seemingly, their raison d'être is pissing off people they've been told to hate by FOX News. These are fools who would burn down their own houses just to piss off their liberal next door neighbors with smoke from the blaze.

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Response to CloudWatcher (Reply #23)

Thu May 30, 2019, 08:16 PM

56. Who's asking you to respect Trump supporters?

Do you feel you were expected to respect W supporters? Poppy Bush's? Seems like an odd expectation.

You're right about no admirable qualities. He's like Joffrey, who had none whatsoever. At least Ramsay didn't wuss out of battle and fought alongside his men.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 12:54 PM

24. This is, to use a British phrase, spot on!

My stars, the British have him pegged. All of this is so good and 100% correct, but my favorite line was "Jabba the Hut of privilege".

As we say on DU all the time, what a national embarrassment he is.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 12:56 PM

25. Oh, that made me feel good. Thank you!

Shakespeare of shit.

And I'm glad that Britain can see that Donald has no sense of humor except that he thinks meanness is funny.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 12:58 PM

26. That's about as succinctly as you could possibly put it. nt

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 01:02 PM

28. This guy has tRumps number!...spot on!

With regard to "So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people"

That 1/3 of people are RACISTS and are willing to overlook everything else, even when it hurts them or their interests, because in their eyes it validates their RACISM...it as simple as that.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 01:07 PM

29. Then explain that heartless soulless humorless monster Maggie Thatcher

I agree with every one of his points and I'm a lifelong Anglophile. But the British have elected some awful people too. Not Trump level, but bad.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 01:09 PM

30. Excellent and bookmarked.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 01:24 PM

32. Nailed it. Nailed it.

Abso-freakin'-lutely NAILED IT!!!

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Response to 3catwoman3 (Reply #32)

Thu May 30, 2019, 11:39 PM

63. +100

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 01:34 PM

34. Wonderful!

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 01:34 PM

35. Perfect!

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 01:43 PM

36. The sense of humor thing is so true

When has Trump ever said anything witty that makes people smile? The closest he ever comes is saying something mean and getting his troglodytic followers to laugh at the expense of someone else.

When do you ever see him smile a genuine smile? It's always just that teeth-baring thing like you get when toddlers are learning to smile for the camera.

We never see a moment of genuine warmth between him and anyone else (well sometimes, Ivanka, but then there's always an overlying patina of creepiness). We never see him share a private remark that makes the listener genuinely smile. And even more strangely, we never see him genuinely smile at the remark of someone else.

It's like he's not human.

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Response to More_Cowbell (Reply #36)

Thu May 30, 2019, 06:24 PM

48. One of the telltale signs of a psychopath is

the inability to understand, create or receive humor. It's a genetic condition. No empathy, no humor.

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Response to More_Cowbell (Reply #36)

Fri May 31, 2019, 02:16 AM

66. Lacking a sense of humor is another sign of dementia

... but I think it only counts if the person previously had the sense of humor, and lost it. Since Chump has never had one to begin with, well I don't know what it means. Even Satan can laugh once in a while.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 01:50 PM

37. About 24% of Brits in the North of England liked him, and gave him

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favorable ratings during his campaign.

The number It came up during a Parliamentary hearing. The subject was whether to allow Trump to enter the UK. Many were against it, but others asked " What if he wins"? and noted his "favorable" ratings in both the South and North of England.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 02:03 PM

41. "The Shakespeare of Shit"

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Response to Marcuse (Reply #41)

Fri May 31, 2019, 01:59 AM

64. The guacamole of snot.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 02:52 PM

42. Amusing, but..

...let's not forget that the majority of Brits voted for Brexit, and then turned around and voted in Nigel Forage and Boris Johnson, both sycophants of the current title-holder of the US presidency.
Apparently, they have their own problems.

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Response to Loge23 (Reply #42)

Fri May 31, 2019, 02:12 AM

65. Well, yes

... because Pootie has been f*cking them over the same way he's done to us.

I think the Brits can see what's been done to them, so it makes me wonder why we can't see it ourselves.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 02:55 PM

43. BRAVO What a perfect description of the cruelest of the cruel.

I've printed this out to hang prominently on my fridge.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 03:49 PM

44. ...and Omar the Tentmaker dresses him funny.

Of course, in Omar's defense, it's hard to cut a suit to look so cheap. I'm sure extra work was required to tailor it to somewhat cover his ENORMOUS ASS (and panty lines!).

And wearing your ties long to make you look thinner? It ain't working, comrade.

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Response to Buns_of_Fire (Reply #44)

Fri May 31, 2019, 11:12 AM

73. It WAS drawing attention away frim his middle, as it is meant to...

Unfortunately he's becoming more and more obese: way beyond the size of a waistline where a longer tie helps.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 05:23 PM

46. Exactly.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 05:29 PM

47. Love it!

100% accurate assessment of trump

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 06:35 PM

49. It would be funnier if the Brits weren't about to

make Trump clone Boris Johnson their new Prime Minister...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #49)

Thu May 30, 2019, 07:11 PM

53. Point well taken. My kid is going to spend part of the summer in England on a research...

...grant and we're hoping he gets out of there before the shit hits the fan.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #49)

Fri May 31, 2019, 08:01 AM

71. The problem is that most British people won't have a say on this

The successor to Theresa May will be decided on two stages. First, MPs of the Conservative parliamentary party must vote to narrow the candidate list to their two preferred contenders. After that the party membership will then vote to decide whom should lead the party and whoever wins becomes party leader, and by current circumstances would also become UK Prime Minister.

Back in the 1980's the membership numbers of the Conservative Party ran into millions. In 2019 this number is now down to only around 100,000. So it is these 100,000 members that will determine whom the next PM will be. Not the electorate at large. Like in Canada, the Prime Minister isn't directly elected to the office.

Whilst Boris Johnson is the current bookmakers favourite to become the next Tory leader, recent history has suggested that the favourite rarely wins the contest. The big hurdle for Johnson is to get into the final two, he's known not to be very popular among some Conservative MPs, several of whom have said privately that they would quit the party if he became leader. However Johnson does have popular grass roots support among the party membership so he got as far as that it would be a shock if he didnt win.

If he became PM, he would not be obliged to hold a General Election until 2022 at the latest. However if the threat from some Tory MPs were followed through then he'd almost definitely be running a minority government even with the DUP still supporting him, and unilaterally pulling the UK out of the EU by October 31st with "No deal" would have significant consequences both short and long term. He could of course try to call a General Election but that is fraught with issues. While Johnson is popular with grass root Tory voters, he is loathed by many that are not, and tactical voting to secure wins in seats for "anyone but Tory" would be bad enough. Not only that, Johnson's own seat in the House of Commons only has a small majority and the constituency he represents voted "remain" back in 2016. A Prime Minister losing their seat in a General Election is unprecedented in British political history, but there would be a chance it could happen here.

Also to add, recent opinion polls have shown that the current political landscape in Britain is in chaos, with a resurgent Liberal Democrats now topping them just ahead of the Brexit Party with both the Conservatives and Labour falling behind both of them. In a first-past-the-post General Election those polling percentages would present utter chaos, making it difficult to predict whom would be favourites to win in a majority of constituencies and the House of Commons likely to end up utterly split.

It looks like things are about to get more chaotic than what has even taken place over the last 12 months. Throw in a Liberal Democrat party that has come back from the dead into the public eye after their coalition days with the Tories between 2010 to 2015, their sister party in Northern Ireland the Alliance party whom have just come off the back of their best election results in over 40 years and have now an MEP elected to the EU Parliament making matters concerning the border with the Republic of Ireland still relevant to Brexit if not more so, and the one man shitshow band that is the con man Farage leading his useful idiots to a land of make believe etc. would give a high chance that not only would Johnson becoming Tory leader and PM spell the end of the Conservatives as we know it, but actually lead to the break up of the UK.

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Response to sheepfarm (Reply #71)

Fri May 31, 2019, 10:42 AM

72. Interesting... Thanks for the added insight!

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 07:00 PM

51. As an Englishman

I approve...

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 07:47 PM

54. God, this is perfect. n/t

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Thu May 30, 2019, 07:59 PM

55. I put this up back in February;

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211810844

Seems the word “Twat” didn’t go over too well

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #55)

Thu May 30, 2019, 10:19 PM

61. I Missed It Then

So I retroactively Rec'd it.





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Thu May 30, 2019, 09:02 PM

57. Simple reason he was elected.

He's a Chav, and the Chavs voted for him.

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 09:47 PM

59. and here we have it:

"In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump."

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Thu May 30, 2019, 10:03 PM

60. Ah! As refreshing and bracing as an ice-cold G&T!

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Fri May 31, 2019, 05:43 AM

67. Fractal flaws & staring deep into the abyss

Bravo! He is so extremely ugly, it requires extraordinary talent and hard work just to describe it. Thank You

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Response to Poiuyt (Original post)

Fri May 31, 2019, 07:07 AM

68. I concur

Although there is a conflict of interest regarding Trump and how the UK, or more precisely England, is conducting itself regarding Brexit and how a significant proportion of the electorate there, about 1/3rd as well, are as ignorant to what is going on around them, still thinking its a great idea while a visible shitshow is incoming.

Nevertheless, the observation in the OP on Trump is so spot on I really can't build on it. And it's not just the British, the Irish have largely the same social sensibilities as them and regard Trump in the same way. To paraphrase Ralph Wiggum on Trump, "he's funny but not ha ha funny".

From my own point of view, if from European eyes you were to come up with a caricature of the negative stereotype of the fat, vapid, loud, vain, bullying, shallow, proudly ignorant and grotesque American who claims to be God fearing while standing beside his third wife, then it's hard to think of a better example that Donald Trump. This is a little unfair to many folk across the Atlantic, as it is known (even if its not always remembered) that he lost the popular vote to Hiliary Clinton but won via a system that was supposed to stop gobshites like him from attaining the highest office in the country. Well, definitely unfair against those whom don't vote Republican all the time anyway.

But maybe there is one more thing that I can add to that description of Trump. Namely that he is the epitome of the saying "You can have all the money in the world, but money doesn't buy class".

P.S. Well done to the Irish Taoiseach (Prime Minister) Leo Varadkar for telling Trump to piss off attempting to make his stop over in Ireland an attempt to promote his golf club resort in Doonbeg, Co. Clare, offering instead to meet Trump via normal diplomatic protocols at the nearby Dromoland Castle Hotel where Dubya was hosted when he visited the country during his Presidency. But nope, Trump threw a hissy fit and the whole meeting will now happen in a VIP suite at Shannon Airport!

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