My conclusions about the MAGATs

[lunatica]

I’ve come to accept we and the MAGATs are incompatibly divided with irreconcilable differences. And to be honest I refuse to give up my principles, even a little for the sake of a fake compromise with people who hate science, are racist, want to take women’s rights away and don’t even have the intelligence to realize the planet needs immediate attention just to maintain their useless lives.

Trying to compromise with these ignorant simian brained fools is a waste of energy and of valuable time. We need to realize we are at war with people who really hate us, and they will not ever change until life itself throws them a hell of a curve ball. I’m not willing to go along with putting children into cages, or being cavalier about people dying for lack of medical care, or forcing women to have deadly abortions or allowing young Black men to be murdered or children slaughtered in their schools. Which one of those would we give up for the sake of compromise?

I have no intention of giving up one iota of my belief that we all deserve equal rights and equal,opportunity. Even them. I’m tired to death of MAGAT mentality and stupidity and avarice and mean spiritedness, and groundless rage, and self pity, and whining, and demands.

I understand them perfectly and I divorce them. There is no compatibility. To hell with them.

[Skittles]

1. if they are still supporting Trump, they're as sick as he is

[struggle4progress]

2. Distinguish between the idiots, the un-informed, the ideologues, and the corrupt

Some people have supported Trump just because they are really nincompoops

Others have supported Trump just because they are un-informed

Still others have supported Trump just because they are anti-government ideologues or white nationalist extremists or such

And some of the rest have supported Trump because they're expecting a nice pay out

These groups are not all the same, and we need to handle them differently

[Thekaspervote]

3. Very good points!! Some may come to see the error of their ways...eventually

[lunatica]

4. Anyone who supports Trump is willfully ignorant

or getting rich. It’s not like he’s trying to hide his ignorant, idiotic and foolish ideas. On the contrary, he’s like fireworks going off all the time. He tweets his insane Malignant narcissism every day, 50 times a day. How determined does anybody have to be to not listen to Trump turned up to 11 fifty times a day? Is that even possible?

If we can’t avoid him to save our asses how can they? He keeps the fanfare going full throttle. So I find it difficult to believe Trump’s base is unaware of him anymore than we are. Perhaps the first year, but not anymore. He’s about as subtle as a tooth abscess.

[struggle4progress]

7. Some people may be ignorant by choice; others may be very busy

with the endless details of daily life, which do not weigh equally on everyone

[lunatica]

21. How many of us here aren't just as busy with, as you say,

The endless details of daily life?

Every adult person is accountable for what they do and say. Even for what they choose not to do or say. I don’t know of anyone who isn’t aware of what Trump does, even on the most casual level. Try mentioning Trump’s name and you’ll know immediately what side every person falls on. Of my acquaintances there are some that are truly not interested in politics and they aren’t even remotely aware of his latest rage or outrage, but every single one is aware that it must be an outrage because they’ll just roll their eyes and sigh as if they know what he’s done, yet again, and again.

Sure, some are ignorant or “too busy”. But ignorance in their case is willful, which I don’t feel I wish to excuse anymore. The only ones I pity or don’t condemn are the pre-teen children. The ones whose souls are being bent and warped by a constant diet of hate from their elders.

[struggle4progress]

36. Let's be realistic in our expectations: not everyone's situation is the same

Our side has a job to do here --- not to reach everyone but to reach and educate those whose views might change

[lunatica]

39. I am being realistic and think you're trying not ready to see the

writing on the wall. When will you stop feeling you’re somehow accountable for how stupid people swallow hate speech hook, line and sinker? The most I will do for them is accept them when they turn against his brand of hatred. Until then they’re on their own. Most people, even us, will only learn when it hits us very personally.

[TwilightZone]

5. Many support him simply because he's a Republican.

That's probably the largest group of all, but it's one we generally forget exists or (sometimes intentionally) ignore. I've spent much of my life in red states and many will automatically vote for anyone with an R, including Trump. There isn't much more to it for them.

We really want them all to be idiots or extremists, but assuming so misses the big picture.

[watoos]

8. Exactly,

I live among them in central Pa. and the #1 answer they give me when I ask them why they voted for Trump was that they could never vote for Hillary. The next Democratic nominee will get the same treatment as Hillary got.
The M$M is also complicit in spreading propaganda to the unwashed. People who only watch Fox will have a very different view of reality. This James O'Keefe guy who is now doctoring videos to make people look incapacitated should be punched right in his fat nose.

I agree with the poster of this thread, I don't argue with them. Most of them are racists, anti-women. and they fell asleep and their bodies got snatched up by evil, alien Republican creatures.

The worst of the Trumpers are the ones who know better, the ones who want to see our democracy fail, who are in it for the money.

[lunatica]

24. And can you swear they're so innocent that they aren't racist?

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Have you asked them how they feel about brown children put in cages? Or thousands of Puerto Rican’s left to die after hurricane Maria hit, when Trump could have done something about it?

There are tons of questions you could come up with yourself. I’m assuming you know the litany of Trumpian hateful actions and words.

I have relatives who I would attest to being good people, until they shock me with the retweets or the endless hate filled Facebook postings of pure hatred against brown and Black people and Democrats. I’ve stopped making excuses for them too. I’ve tried to dispel their hatred with facts until I just can’t anymore. So I abandon them to their hate because I do have myself to save.

[Norbert]

11. I believe that people support tRump and the RW extremist agenga because it's easier than thinking

For example they hear about the tariffs hurting the farmers and it's "Wait! Wait! I need to know that Sean ot Fucker Carlson thinks about this before I give my opinion.

The classic was the Parkland Shooting. It took a couple days before the RW propaganda machine to figure it out but once they did they spewed and the trumpettes were parroting "David Hogg wasn't there", "The kids should be cruel and bully the poor shooters" and kids chew on tide pods and rubbers.

[HAB911]

14. many many sold their souls to the Devil

to gain control of the Supreme Court, couple in my family in fact. That is all that matters to them.

[underpants]

6. Excellent post. I agree completely. They are wired differently

and we have to accept that and account for it like we WE do with pedophiles or hoarders.

[watoos]

9. Well put,

They are like the people who fell asleep in the movie, Invasion of the Body Snatchers. I see no hope for them.

Scientists have studied the brains of liberals and conservatives. The area of the brain that produces fear is more pronounced in conservatives. They believed in the last election that there were signs along the southern border written in Arabic directing al-Qaeda where to go. How do you debate with people who believe that?

[oasis]

10. Basketfulls of Deplorables.

[GoCubsGo]

12. "forcing women to have deadly abortions"

Did you mean "deadly pregnancies"? Because, they're pretty much trying to keep women from having any type of abortion.

Yes, these people are impervious to facts and reality. I want nothing to do with them, either. Perhaps an intervention by cult deprogrammers can save some of them, but many of them are beyond help.

[myohmy2]

13. yes...

" We need to realize we are at war with people who really hate us, and they will not ever change until life itself throws them a hell of a curve ball. "

So, why aren't we fighting fire with fire?...we need to accurately label this evil for what it is...

...tump calls us every name under the sun yet our guys won't even call him a fascist…or call republicans fascist...why not?

...because they're afraid of trump and the republicans...trump and the republicans play hardball, they want to play softball...

...now they're putting out fake adulterated video propaganda on us, will we respond in kind?

...I doubt it...

...let's take the high road, keep our powder dry and re-elect trump and the republicans...

...unbelievable...

[lunatica]

20. Why should we fight lies with lies or outrage with outrage?

We’re fighting to protect our Democracy. To protect human rights and freedom. If we fight them with the hate and destruction they fight with, in what way does that make our side right?

Being destructive in kind wouldn’t make us one wit better than they are. We have to choose what side we’re on.

[myohmy2]

44. it's...

...the new rules of the road...

...if we don't beat them at their own game, we're going to lose...they've got the Presidency, Supreme Court and the Senate and how many governorships?...and if we don't do something soon with the House they're going to take it back...

...does this sound like republicans have a losing strategy?...it seems we're the ones with the losing strategy...

...you have to break some eggs to make an omelet...what does 'right' even mean when you have no power to do 'right'?

" We’re fighting to protect our Democracy. "

...haven't you noticed? Our democracy is fading fast under fascist rule...we can sit around and debate the nobility and righteousness of our cause or we can stomp out and do something to win...do whatever it takes to win...and that means playing by the new rules of the new game...

...I say, the world is changing fast and we're not...

[lunatica]

45. The blue wave will continue

We took back the House, which effectively had 100% of the power in Congress by taking back 50% of that power. And we did it the right way. We will do it again by electing a Democratic President who will respect our judicial system and intelligence agencies and restore the rights of everyone.

That’s a winning strategy without even going the fascist route you seem to want to copy.

[DeminPennswoods]

15. Yesterday on Wallace's show,

she asked Beto O'Rourke what he has found in travelling the country and talking to people. He told of meeting a couple famers in Iowa who live near the Missouri River and how their farm is flooded and their unsold soybeans are "exploding" the silos. All these poor farmers wanted was help to recover from the flooding and get back to farming. I felt a pang of sympathy and then thought, elections have cosequences. These two probably voted proudly for Trump because of guns and too many government regulations and racism, but now that they are in trouble, well Uncle Sam should come in and bail them out. My answer to them would be pull yourselves up by your own muddy, soggy bootstraps. If you can't, well, tough nuts.

[live love laugh]

47. What you said 👍🏾

[malaise]

16. +1,000

As I have asked before when will M$Greedia ask why have ReTHUGs veered so much to the right.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

17. K&R!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[spanone]

18. K&R...

[50 Shades Of Blue]

19. K & R!!! And thank you! They will have to come to us if there's to be any "union."

I'm not willing to sacrifice a single human right to make nice with misogynistic, racist, homophobic willfully ignorant bigots who will never be satisfied until every human right has been sacrificed on their Trump altar.

[Initech]

22. This country has lost its' mind and its' sanity.

Mainly thanks to Trump and Fox News. The damage has been done, and it's going to take a long time for it to heal.

[Beringia]

23. My very sweet 20 something nephew is a Trumper

He was born and lives in Alaska, so I guess that covers it. I asked him on facebook to name one good thing Trump has done and he never answered. The kid is a real genius too. Can only think he wants to conform.

[lunatica]

25. I'm sorry to hear that

Hopefully it’s just a case of immaturity on his part. Trump is like a pandemic. A disease that infects everyone in one way or another.

If there is anything that he or Alaskans benefit from our government (pre Trump, of course) maybe you can bring him around to question his peers.

[Johnny2X2X]

26. I know good people who still support him

They know he's slimy, but they like his policies or how his policies are portrayed on FOX News.

[lunatica]

27. Then I would say that they must be racist and fundamentally cruel

It all depends on how you define “good people”.

I have a niece who is what anyone would call a good person, except she’s a deeply angry racist who hates Native Americans because they “want theirs”. Her hatred of Liberals is just as nuts. But hell! She’s real nice to those she approves of!

[watoos]

32. You are 100% correct,

I golf with an 86 year old Korean war vet, who did Meals on Wheels, is active in his church, does military funerals, seems like the nicest guy you would be lucky to meet. He asked me one day what was the day that will live in infamy, I told him Pearl Harbor Day, he said no, it was the day they gave women the right to vote, but my granddaughter isn't too bad because she just hates minorities. He told me JFK was the only Democrat he ever voted for. He loves Trump.

[lunatica]

34. He is the kind of person who I used to think was acceptable

Because on balance they were good people, and you could always find excuses to overlook their “slight” misogyny. He was just a product of his time. But that excuse just doesn’t cut it anymore. You can’t be a truly good person if you hate women that much. And maybe if you dug just a bit you might have found he harbors hatred for more than just women.

I could overlook it before because on balance the good side wins, but when they choose to still love Trump now, when he’s shown he’s a truly cruel human being to hurt the most blameless of human beings, brown children, some of whom have died as a direct result of his needless, unnecessary, arbitrary, deliberate viciousness, how can anyone still make excuses or overlook such a life altering policy. There comes a point of no return in self revealing beliefs shown by such “good” people.

Every woman who has ever been regularly beaten by her otherwise “good provider” spouse comes to that point of acceptance that he is not a good person at all. That he will continue to beat her until he kills her. If she doesn’t do something to save herself, he is likely to kill her. Yet, by most standards he’s still a good person in the eyes of his friends, his acquaintances and the world.

[mnhtnbb]

43. Ask your golfing friend if he's read Rick Reilly's new book about Trump, Commander in Cheat

I just finished it. Had an excellent review from Lawrence O'Donnell one night recently (who isn't a golfer) and it really goes into detail about what a cheater and liar Trump is at golf.

Ask him how he squares the honorable game of golf with a cheater and liar? And why would he want someone like that in charge of the country?

[ooky]

28. Personally, I find it impossible to take someone seriously who openly supports the Trump

nonsense in my presence. I don't even want to debate them anymore, its a waste of time and I feel dumb having the conversation with them. I just accepted that I have a different set of values and started subtly disassociating myself socially with anyone still promoting his idiocy. I just do not feel comfortable in the presence of magats.

[lunatica]

30. Your path has been my path too

It’s ended in me divorcing myself from them as a group.

[asiliveandbreathe]

29. I support your sentiments 100% - I will try to make a long story short from meeting

the wife of one of my hubby's golfing friend last night-

Friendly enough on our back patio - she is from TX...small talk, getting to know you kinda chit chat..then she goes into a story about her friend, who's husband is carrying on a tryst at the CC (Country Club..of which I have ZERO interest in)..

She tells me she confronted the little twit in the lady's room..and how everyone at the CC knows about their affair...she is telling me ALL this...(oh, and the little twit went around saying this gal from TX hit her, not true).. okay..they get ready to go..hand shake, hug, and then she says - "I'm for trump" - clearly she did not expect my reaction - SHE JUST MET ME - WTF..

I took her story of confrontation in the lady's room, and invited her to join me in my lady's room..just she and I, and we can have a little chat..AND I told her I wouldn't hit her...I was emphatic, but moderate in tone...kinda like guys do, let's take this outside..but, with a smile on my face..flustered, she was...

Walking out to their golf cart in our driveway..she took a swipe at the eight years of Obama...REALLY???walking away????? I got the last word as they drove off...I said " get used to it", remember this name", and I threw out my choice for Dem Prez... and said "by now"...this all transpired within 2 minutes walking out..tops…..

I told my husband, (we have agreed to NOT talk politics with HIS friends), because he was thinking I started it, I said, "she started it"....my motto has always been - I won't start it, but, I sure as hell will finish it....boom.....he said now that I know what happened...good on you girl....the kicker..SHE KNOWS hubby is a DEM....he said I will take care of it at the CC..I told him I can fight my own political battles...with a smile.....

[lunatica]

31. Well I'm your type of pacifist so I get it.

I have no problem confronting authority or stupidity when it gets in my face or has every intention of hurting others. I respect the rights of others to be stupid if that’s what they want the world to see. I’ll even get along to get along, but start something with me or with someone who can’t fight back, and they soon find out it was really best when they didn’t start something.

When I was bringing up my son and nephew I taught them to never look for a physical fight. To use the most important muscle they had, their brain, to win, BUT, if they couldn’t get out of a fight then I wanted them to fight to WIN! They actually listened. After one or two fights people left them alone.

[asiliveandbreathe]

33. Exactly! As you say, they soon find out it was really best when they didn't start something.

I am sure she won't do that again, with ME...just as sure as I know she will cackle and cackle about the confrontation with me at the CC..I really don't give a shit!!!

Hubby will be all ears when he sees her again...she really doesn't want to go there with him....he will put her in her place, as he said..now that I know HOW it started..he tells me everything...LOL

It is almost like they are all emboldened...total strangers....

Be well..we will prevail......

[customerserviceguy]

35. They are indeed aware

of the contempt that is shown to them, and they support Trump because it pisses us off.

We are splitting into two nations. I have trouble believing that anyone can ever unite us.

[lunatica]

37. Well since we're not willing to get hateful to find common ground

it’s up to them. That’s my line in the sand.

[crazytown]

38. Unity Consensus Healing

That's the Biden Promise. Get with the Program.

[lunatica]

40. What does that mean?

If it means coming to an agreement about an infrastructure program, then I’m “with the program”. But I’m not gonna love on them like they have a modicum of decency.

[crazytown]

41. Joe Biden is going to bring unity and healing to America

or so he says. I'm skeptical. Fox et al will redouble demonization of Dems.

[lunatica]

42. Well Biden isn't going to bring toxic hatefests every time he says something

So, yeah, maybe the divisions will simmer down. As you say, if Fox allows it.

[lunatica]

46. Kick.