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Wed May 22, 2019, 09:14 PM

Megachurch founder James MacDonald allegedly sought murder for hire, police investigating

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Police in Illinois are currently investigating allegations that Harvest Bible Chapel founder James MacDonald sought to find a hitman to commit murder.

The allegations regarding MacDonald’s efforts to commit murder were first reported by independent journalist Julie Roys, who cited Chicago radio personality Mancow Muller and Emmanuel “Manny” Bucur, a deacon at HBC and former confidant and volunteer bodyguard of MacDonald’s, as the individuals making the claims.

Bucur alleges that MacDonald asked him to kill Groves while they were on a motorcycle trip to the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky, from July 31, 2015, to August 2, 2015. Others who were on the trip are: former HBC Assistant Senior Pastor Rick Donald, former Elder and Executive Director of Harvest Bible Fellowship Kent Shaw, former Elder Marcel Olar, and church members Tom Moore and Steve Lupella.

During breakfast while at a restaurant in Indiana on the last day of the trip, Bucur said, MacDonald asked him to kill Groves while searching pornography websites for damaging material he feared Groves may have posted of his daughter Abby.

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Reply Megachurch founder James MacDonald allegedly sought murder for hire, police investigating (Original post)
47of74 May 22 OP
PoliticAverse May 22 #1
47of74 May 22 #2
klook May 22 #3
malaise May 22 #4
Adsos Letter May 23 #7
47of74 May 23 #9
malaise May 23 #11
UTUSN May 22 #5
Blue Owl May 23 #6
ProudLib72 May 23 #8
47of74 May 23 #10

Response to 47of74 (Original post)

Wed May 22, 2019, 09:18 PM

1. Obviously bogus. A real preacher can just get god to strike someone down. n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #1)

Wed May 22, 2019, 09:20 PM

2. good point

Just like they can pray away teh gay

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Response to 47of74 (Original post)

Wed May 22, 2019, 09:23 PM

3. "Groves" former son-in-law

From the article:
Bucur alleged that about three years before that, in 2015, MacDonald asked him to kill his former son-in-law, Tony Groves, and offered to help dispose of the body. He argued that he did not report MacDonald because he was angry about his daughter allegedly being hurt, and chalked up the proposal as a momentary lapse in judgment.


What a charmer.

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Response to 47of74 (Original post)

Wed May 22, 2019, 09:33 PM

4. Hired him to kill his former son in law?

Because nothing says Christian love like murder for hire: Megachurch Pastor James MacDonald, founder of Harvest Bible Chapel, is under investigation for trying to hire a hitman to kill his former son-in-law.

MacDonald, a former member of President Donald Trump’s evangelical advisory board, is under investigation for allegedly trying to hire a hitman to murder his former son-in-law.

The Christian Post reports:

Police in Illinois are currently investigating allegations that Harvest Bible Chapel founder James MacDonald sought to find a hitman to commit murder.

“A subject came in and filed a report and we are doing an investigation based on that report,” Wilmette Deputy Police Chief Pat Collins confirmed with The Christian Post Monday.

According to a report first filed by independent journalist Julie Roys, MacDonald is being accused by his former bodyguard Emmanuel “Manny” Bucur and Chicago radio
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2019/05/report-megachurch-pastor-james-macdonald-tried-to-hire-hitman-to-kill-son-in-law/

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Response to malaise (Reply #4)

Thu May 23, 2019, 01:11 AM

7. And a real grifter, it seems.

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Did you see the link to the blog that has been reporting on financial dealings at HBC? It has links to news accounts over the past few months, of the meltdown of many of the HBC upper financial echelon, among others.

The church was paying this guy $80,000 per month.

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Response to Adsos Letter (Reply #7)

Thu May 23, 2019, 07:21 AM

9. Yep

What McMansion would Jesus buy?

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Response to Adsos Letter (Reply #7)

Thu May 23, 2019, 08:04 AM

11. They are all grifters

Pray and prey are the same to these grifters.
They are all thieves

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Response to 47of74 (Original post)

Wed May 22, 2019, 10:57 PM

5. K&R

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Response to 47of74 (Original post)

Thu May 23, 2019, 12:19 AM

6. Magachurch

n/t

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Response to 47of74 (Original post)

Thu May 23, 2019, 01:17 AM

8. Porn and murder go hand in hand with evangelical Christianity

I'm a little surprised this doesn't happen more often.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #8)

Thu May 23, 2019, 08:00 AM

10. Lots of things do.

None of them very good either.

These people do more to advance atheism than anything or anyone else.

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