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Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 03:27 PM Aug 2012

The largest human caused structure..can you guess what it is?

what is the largest structure caused by humans?

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.As it is garbage has become the legacy of our era. The largest man-made structure? It used to be the Great Wall of China. Today's largest man-caused structure is now by far the Eastern Great Garbage Patch -- swirling plastics that gather in a gyrating movements of ocean currents -- between California and Hawaii that some scientists believe to be the size of Texas.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-lam/waste-more-want-more_b_1825759.html

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The largest human caused structure..can you guess what it is? (Original Post) Liberal_in_LA Aug 2012 OP
;0( DonRedwood Aug 2012 #1
I see a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #2
This is the best idea. panader0 Aug 2012 #13
Thank you a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #22
That is, as yet, impossible. RadiationTherapy Aug 2012 #30
so I need to get crackin' a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #33
Yes, bring tweezers and a coal shovel! hahaha. RadiationTherapy Aug 2012 #36
or a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #37
But this is the size of a Texas or two. The "organics" gotten "rid of" are living creatures woven RadiationTherapy Aug 2012 #38
That could be a problem a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #39
I actually got this right, sadly. My answer was the "Pacfic Guyre" so I'm not sure.. Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #3
other sources says it's TWICE the size of Texas. Which is weird that we dont' hear about it. Liberal_in_LA Aug 2012 #4
Out of sight, out of mind. Unfortunately. n/t VWolf Aug 2012 #10
OMG!!!! Generic Other Aug 2012 #5
Du rec. Nt xchrom Aug 2012 #6
Damn Go Vols Aug 2012 #7
i guessed right barbtries Aug 2012 #8
more info Liberal_in_LA Aug 2012 #9
Does an aggregate of stuff really rise to the level of structure? aikoaiko Aug 2012 #11
Scientifically speaking, I have a disturbing curiosity about this... CabCurious Aug 2012 #12
To answer your first question nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #15
TED video on the subject CabCurious Aug 2012 #14
The Gyre, they call it librechik Aug 2012 #16
One of my favorite poems.......... panader0 Aug 2012 #25
I've had the good fortune to dive in some fairly nice spots, but still man's garbage is present.... Scuba Aug 2012 #17
Survivorman - reality show, guy going to remote island to survive for a week, Liberal_in_LA Aug 2012 #23
makes you proud, don't it. spanone Aug 2012 #18
I was going to say it had something to do with garbage, but... Initech Aug 2012 #19
Has anyone thought of the billions they could make harvesting the plastic for recycling? lunatica Aug 2012 #20
I thought it was a toss up between guardian Aug 2012 #21
I knew it. redqueen Aug 2012 #24
Hey, I've got news for you HeiressofBickworth Aug 2012 #26
When I right-clicked to save frogmarch Aug 2012 #27
Shit, I guessed the answer correctly. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #28
Pogo was right. lpbk2713 Aug 2012 #29
It's a myth. egduj Aug 2012 #31
Is that what they say on Faux Snooze? lpbk2713 Aug 2012 #32
Actually, it is to some degree visible and only SOME of the contents are microscopic. renie408 Aug 2012 #35
My first answer. trumad Aug 2012 #34
 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
22. Thank you
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 06:15 PM
Aug 2012

My wife and I were driving back from her work place, thinking up ways of harvesting the plastic.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
30. That is, as yet, impossible.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:46 PM
Aug 2012

The debris is of such varying sizes and intermingled with so many lifeforms that it is unfilterable as far as I have heard thus far.

 

a geek named Bob

(2,715 posts)
37. or
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 08:01 AM
Aug 2012

a bucket that evaporates the water out...

Then you spread it out, and get rid of the organics. After that, you melt down the plastics, skim off the useable stuff, then collect the nasty pollutants.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
38. But this is the size of a Texas or two. The "organics" gotten "rid of" are living creatures woven
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 01:06 PM
Aug 2012

into the food web.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
3. I actually got this right, sadly. My answer was the "Pacfic Guyre" so I'm not sure..
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 03:31 PM
Aug 2012

..if that's the exact same thing but it's close enough, IMO. The strange thing is how little you really hear about it. I mean, you hear stuff on DU but I really don't recall much about it on TV, for instance.

Going to get worse over the next year or two as the material from the Japanese quake circles back from the west coast towards the eastern coast of Hawaii.

PB

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
7. Damn
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 03:41 PM
Aug 2012

Wiki says it could be twice the size of the U.S.

The size of the patch is unknown, as large items readily visible from a boat deck are uncommon. Most debris consists of small plastic particles suspended at or just below the surface, making it impossible to detect by aircraft or satellite. Instead, the size of the patch is determined by sampling. Estimates of size range from 700,000 square kilometres (270,000 sq mi) to more than 15,000,000 square kilometres (5,800,000 sq mi) (0.41% to 8.1% of the size of the Pacific Ocean), or, in some media reports, up to "twice the size of the continental United States".
 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
9. more info
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 03:58 PM
Aug 2012
the garbage patch is not this:

The Great Pacific Garbage Patch is a large area, twice the size of Texas, in the ocean, forever swirling with a very high amount of debris. If you don’t already know about it, you might be imagining something like this:



The Great Pacific Garbage Patch does not look like this. Most of the debris in the Garbage Patch is made up of small pieces of floating plastic. Many may be too small to see from a ship or satellite, or they may be floating just below the surface. They come in all sizes, colors, and types—plastics from soda bottles and take-out food containers to polyester clothing and toothbrushes.

This isn’t to say that there aren’t larger pieces of trash floating in the Patch. There are, but these larger pieces of garbage eventually degrade into smaller pieces of plastic, some of which break into microscopic sizes. Very few actually revert back to their base elements; they are simply super small pieces of plastic. The few plastics that are biodegradable were designed to break down on land, exposed to air and sunlight. Water hinders that process.

http://www.sunwarrior.com/news/the-garbage-patch-one-bags-exodus-to-the-ocean-video/

CabCurious

(954 posts)
12. Scientifically speaking, I have a disturbing curiosity about this...
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 04:19 PM
Aug 2012

How exactly does it grow? How does it attract more garbage?

Does oxygen survive within its mass?

Could this spawn new forms of life?

Do we see any mutated life?

Is it alive?

Does the movement of this mass correspond to reporting of Godzilla?

librechik

(30,674 posts)
16. The Gyre, they call it
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 04:28 PM
Aug 2012

reminding me of Yeats thoughts about human conflict in The Second Coming:

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.

The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?


Why did Yeats have to be so right?

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
17. I've had the good fortune to dive in some fairly nice spots, but still man's garbage is present....
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 05:04 PM
Aug 2012

... I've had dive operators tell me they continually clean their favorite sites, picking up a new assortment of bottle and cans virtually every day.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
23. Survivorman - reality show, guy going to remote island to survive for a week,
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 06:17 PM
Aug 2012

always finds buckets and bottles/cans and tarps on the beach to help him survive.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
20. Has anyone thought of the billions they could make harvesting the plastic for recycling?
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 05:09 PM
Aug 2012

It's right there for the taking. Just get some industrial sized suction equipment and plow all along the edges. The plastic will stay together because of the ocean currents and all you have to do is pick it up. In time someone could get a huge flotilla of harvesting ships going 24 hours a day for years and years. It's the size of Texas for crying out loud!

There's a great opportunity there!

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
24. I knew it.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 06:26 PM
Aug 2012

I correctly guessed what it would be based on the subject line. Depressing, yes. Surprising, no.

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
26. Hey, I've got news for you
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:39 PM
Aug 2012

That IS the recycling. A few years ago there was a local rumor that the recyclers were taking "stuff" out in the ocean and dumping it. It was cheaper than actually recycling the materials. And as we know, the corporations are all about that profit margin.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
28. Shit, I guessed the answer correctly.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:03 PM
Aug 2012

My first thought was, how is this defined? Why can't the interstate - in fact, the entire system of roads on any given continent, insofar as each road connects to every other - be thought of as a single structure? Same can be true of railways, irrigation and dam systems, and cities as wholes, connected by sewage and utility networks...

... and naturally we should all know that the pyramids and the Great Wall are supposedly the easiest man-made structures to see from space (excluding lights).

... Anyway, scrolling down but before I got there, I guessed what the answer had to be, or you wouldn't have asked the question.

Sigh.

egduj

(805 posts)
31. It's a myth.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 11:51 PM
Aug 2012

There is a large area that has a higher than normal amount of microscopic particles of plastic due to the currents, there is not an enormous visible patch of garbage floating around the pacific or any other of the oceans.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
35. Actually, it is to some degree visible and only SOME of the contents are microscopic.
Tue Aug 28, 2012, 07:51 AM
Aug 2012


But I am sure FOX told you it was a myth, and that's all you need, right?
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