John Heilman on Lawrence just now: He's calling it. trump will be impeached in the House.

[EveHammond13]

[Me.]

1. He's Been Pushing This At Breakneck Speed

and they keep quoting one republican as the expert

[lapucelle]

5. I don't want the MSM dictating the process or the timeline.

They're after revenue and ratings. They learned NOTHING from 2016.

[Me.]

7. They're Frothing At The Mouth

for Impeachment. Just imagine how Helieman'd show The Circus would benefit

[StarfishSaver]

8. Precisely

[DeminPennswoods]

71. Heilman is

jonesing for impeachment. If Dems go ahead, then fail, Heilman will be the first one criticizing their decision. I like Heilman and generally think his observations are on point, but he does produce a political show called "The Circus". That should be the first clue not to take him too seriously.

[lapucelle]

2. He amended it to "will begin an impeachment inquiry". N/T

[EveHammond13]

4. "once impeachment starts, what Democrat thinks trump doesn't deserve to be impeached"

[lapucelle]

6. Opening an an impeachment inquiry is not the same thing as "impeaching". N/T

[lindysalsagal]

3. Here's hoping Heilman's crystal ball is up to date and well maintained....

[Me.]

9. This Is A Great Response To The Impeachment Issue

Malcolm P. Johnson @admiralmpj

“THREAD: I'm not a Lawyer, but I have a particular view when it comes to Impeachment.

When I worked for Warner Bros. Legal and Business Affairs, we had a simple guideline for pursuing litigation. First, we'd send the offending party a 30 day cease and desist letter... 1/12
When that didn't work, we'd send them ANOTHER 30 day cease and desist letter...and if that didn't work, we'd send a THIRD 30 day cease and desist letter... 2/12
But on day 91 of that process, we'd initiate litigation.

Inevitably we'd be in court, and the Judge would ask us, "Okay, but have you given the offending party every chance to comply with your wishes?" 3/12
And we'd be able to say "Yes, we have your honor. Here is our first 30 day cease and desist, here's our second and here's our third. All documented, and transmitted, all ignored by the Offending Party." 4/12
Suddenly, we weren't the ones having to prove anything, it was the guys we were suing. The Judge would look at them, and say "So what about this counselor? Why have you ignored their lawful request??" 5/12
In terms of Impeachment, we are on the second 30 day cease and desist letter, metaphorically speaking.

The Democrats are bound for court and are now collecting documentation to show how much the Administration is acting unlawfully. 6/12
We are going after Tax Returns via Ways and Means.
We are going after Bank Records via Intelligence and Finance.
We are after Testimony via Judiciary and Oversight.
All of which we have a right to.
All of which have been subpoenaed. 7/12
So when you see the Chairmen of these various committees "not going fast enough" remember, they are collecting documentation with each of these extended deadlines. 8/12
When the Democrats face a judge, they'll be able to say "Look, your Honor, we gave the Administration EVERY CHANCE to comply with the law."

What you call slow and ineffective, is what a Lawyer would call crossing every "t" and dotting every "i" before going into court. 9/12
Because it's a dead cinch lock that the Judge will rule in our favor once those "t"s & "i"s are taken care of...because what I expect to happen...and what I think every Democrat expects to happen is that Trump will then defy whatever ruling the Judge hands down... 10/12
...and once that happens, once Trump defies a Federal Judge's ruling (which I expect to happen 100%), well the pressure to impeach won't be on the Democrats. It'll be on the Republicans. 11/12
So, if you're patient, this is going to play out the way you want. Trump can't help himself. 12/12 END”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212115462

[tblue37]

10. I wish I could K&R this response! nt

[Me.]

14. Go To The Link & R The OP

which started it and was the first to bring it up


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212115462

[tblue37]

16. Thanks. Did so. nt

[Chin music]

11. That's all real good info.

But the Congress has all the resources they need to hire as many lawyers as they need, and staff. Lecturing folks who have been grinding out the last two years about speed, doesnt help when theyre gulping malox like it's coffee. Things can go faster, and we have every right to demand a faster pace. We've been good plebes. Time for Congress to get to work. We get enough lectures from trump. Im glad Warner Bros. has a process. Thats a corporation. This is a country of 340 million people. OUR LIVES MATTER. Lives are at stake. Not sure how many lives are at stake in a Warner Bros lawsuit, hopefully none.
Things can change. But, not until we demand it. I want a faster process. And I'm not ashamed to call out for it everyday. Nice little write up that's been going around today, but, We've been more than patient enough, and if getting loud about it helps. HEAR ME BEING LOUD. DDay is coming up, and Memorial Day. Let's see how everyone feels when trump shames the honor and integrity of the country in France and on memorial Day pardoning WAR CRIMINALS. Tired of being shamed by folks who want to apologize for a 2 year stint of a russian presidency. I'm not ok w it.

[triron]

12. I hear you. Impeach the motherfucker NOW!!!

[Chin music]

13. One impeachment....coming up!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

26. You speak for me!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!

[Me.]

17. Really

You're been patient enough?

[Chin music]

18. I sure as shit have.

Thanks for asking. You?

[Me.]

20. I Want It Done Right

So we once and for all get rid of the traitor and there are no mistakes and escape hatches. And then I want him and his before juries.

[Andy823]

76. Exactly! nt

[G_j]

36. I thought this compelling,

Professor's Impeachment Prediction Based On 'Deep Study' Of Trump's Character, Career

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/12/722647643/professor-s-impeachment-prediction-based-on-deep-study-of-trump-s-character-care

May 12, 20195:09 PM ET
Heard on All Things Considered

NPR's Michel Martin speaks with American University professor Allan Lichtman about the prediction he made two years ago that President Trump will be impeached.

Excerpt from the interview

MARTIN: You wrote a book in 2017 called "The Case For Impeachment." And in your book, you said, neither Republicans nor Democrats will tolerate a compromised or treacherous president and that an impeachment trial would be quick. Does the reaction of Republican leaders who are standing so firmly behind President Trump change your calculus at all?

LICHTMAN: It really hasn't. Right now, the onus is on the Democrats. This is their historical moment. As Shakespeare put it, the tide is at the flood. They're either going to seize the tide at the flood, or they're going to be washed away by history and be reviled as worse enablers of Donald Trump than even the Republicans.

This is not a time for timidity on the part of Democrats. This is a time for boldness. You have now 45% of the American people calling for impeachment. That's before the House votes any articles. That's before trial. That's higher than the percentage that wanted to see Richard Nixon impeached when they began the impeachment process against him.

So right now, I am very disappointed with the Democrats. They are making the same mistake Democrats always make - being too timid, playing not to lose. And that is a sure remedy for losing and a sure recipe for not doing your constitutional duty. The only way to hold this president accountable with real pain is through impeachment, which strikes at his power and his brand.

...more...

Allan Jay Lichtman is an American political historian who teaches at American University in Washington, D.C. He is well known for predicting most of the presidential winners in the United States Presidential Election since 1984, including forecasting the 2016 U.S. Presidential Election remarkably early. Wikipedia

[Chin music]

38. Good context.

TY.

[DeminPennswoods]

72. FTR, Democrats have been in charge of 1 branch of gov't

for 5 months. While, it's true DoJ/FBI/SCO have been investigating Trump since the end of Obama's presidency, Republicans were in charge of all 3 branches of govt and only had interest in protecting Trump.

[Chin music]

75. Yes. But they ran as a check on trump. So.....

Check him. Time is of the essence.

[DeminPennswoods]

77. That's what they are doing

Further, the courts recognize the need for expedited hearings and decisions and are doing their part. Just this week, 2 decisions have come down ordering compliance with House subpoenas. Sometimes people mistake activity for action.

[Chin music]

78. Right.

I make no mistake about the need for urgency. I'm completely aware of all you've descibed. Thanks for the reply.

[misanthrope]

15. Well illustrated!

It isn't for the impetuous.

[gldstwmn]

19. We are not pursuing civil litigation though.

This is CRIMINAL.

[Chin music]

21. The post from this morning has stuck in my craw all day.

Some corporations law dept trying to tell the American People how to do a case. WRONG. Corporations time is coming. trump first, then we'll start figuring out how to stop corporations from literally RAIDING this country of treasure and mirth. It struck me from the beginning that someone wanted to brag a little about being on the legal tem for WB and thought a little extrapolation piece was in order. JMHO though.

[Me.]

22. The Work Has To Be Even More Perfect For Criminal

There can be no mistakes because of rushing, slippage.

[gldstwmn]

23. Time waits for no man.

[LanternWaste]

79. Justice however, does.

(if we're simply exchanging bumper stickers in place of substance...)

[gldstwmn]

80. Touche.

[Chin music]

24. Yea, bc 2 years of slippage on our country, isnt enough for the entire gop.

The Dems are about to save the country again. About every 10 years the Democrats save this country. Last tme Pres Obama w the economy and the recovery.

[Me.]

27. Oh I Must've Missed Something

I thought we've only been back in power 4 1/2 months and yet the meme is the Dems are taking forever

[Chin music]

30. Not sure what you're getting in a dander about.

Bc I had the gall to opine on the Warner Bros post? Or you just don't like me? I can have an opinion. My gosh. We are almost there. Tomorrow will say.
I guess you want us to wait some more? Have you seen the shows on msnbc tonight? What's left to wait for? PS...We don't need to prove a crime to win an impeachment vote.

[triron]

34. +1000

[Me.]

47. What I'm Getting At Is THeThose Who Insist We Must Begin

impeachment NOW rather than working our way through the process in an effective way. Interesting, as of this morning Gabe Sherman said that about 25 members are pushing this issue. So that's less than 10% of the full congress or just the Dem Caucus so the media which keeps saying the memebers are hot for it right this very minute are wrong.

[lapucelle]

46. There seems to be a modicum of confusion in the "we need to impeach NOW, NOW, NOW!" contingent.

We are not pursuing civil litigation though.

This is CRIMINAL

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212117516#post19

This isn't Ironsides. We don't have to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt to get by impeachment.

It's a civil proceeding, AND just the appearance of impropriety is enough to throw folks out of office. This isn't a courtroom. Like lindsay said..(groan) It's a cleansing of the office

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212117516#post32

[gldstwmn]

49. High crimes and misdemeanors. It is criminal.

[lapucelle]

63. There is more than one way to interpret Article 2, Section 4

The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Constitutional scholars have differing opinions on what those words mean.

I am not a constitutional scholar. I would imagine that even some fine lawyers who practice in other areas of the law would defer to those with more expertise, although someone with a legal education would certainly have a much, much more informed opinion than mine.

That's why I trust Nancy Pelosi, Jerry Nadler, Adam Schiff and the investigators, experts, and attorneys they have hired.

We don't need this done fast. We need this done right.

[gldstwmn]

64. I'm not advocating for fast. I am advocating for impeachment inquiries.

The banking records are 6-10 months out and even if the Supremes get involved we will still have them before the election. I thought Pelosi performed well today. You do know that Nadler is in favor of an impeachment inquiry even though he hasn't publicly said so?

[lapucelle]

66. ...

Time waits for no man.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100212117516#post23

[gldstwmn]

68. ???

I think you might just be looking for an argument and if that's the case then you came to the wrong poster. I think we are on the same side, we just differ on the issue of impeachment and impeachment inquiries. If you take issue with the other poster on this thread that I've been talking to you will have to take it up with them.

[lapucelle]

70. You posted "I don't want fast"

after having posted "time waits for no man". That sounds non sequitur.

[Chin music]

32. This isn't Ironsides. We don't have to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt to get by impeachment.

It's a civil proceeding, AND just the appearance of impropriety is enough to throw folks out of office. This isn't a courtroom. Like lindsay said..(groan) It's a cleansing of the office.

[lapucelle]

45. gldstwmn says is isn't civil litigation...it's "CRIMINAL".

We are not pursuing civil litigation though.

This is CRIMINAL

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212117516#post19

[gldstwmn]

50. Trump has committed crimes. He is a criminal.

[Chin music]

59. But that darn rule...

Can't indict a sitting president. Mind you, just a policy guideline. One of those squishy things that changes depending on who's president.

[gldstwmn]

65. That thing is untested. Mueller followed it

but I suspect he would have been okay had he not. Also if he does not testify then he is just enabling Trump no matter what the report says.

[Chin music]

67. +1

[gldstwmn]

69. Yes. I imagine how much we could have done with the time

we have left until '20 if Mueller had gone that route instead. I'm happy with the way things went today but I sill don't believe the slow, torturous route is the best thing for the country.

[Rambling Man]

74. Slow, tortuous route is the best thing

for Trump supporters.

[Chin music]

58. Congress just needs to hear evidence, or not, and just vote.

But, ask the resident lawyer starsaver if you want the most perfect answer. OK?

[lapucelle]

61. I'm not looking for a perfect answer, or any answer for that matter, at this point.

I trust Nancy Pelosi, Jerry Nadler, Adam Schiff and the experts and attorneys they have hired. Id rather have this done right than done fast.

[lapucelle]

44. Chin music says it's a civil proceeding.

This isn't Ironsides. We don't have to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt to get by impeachment.

It's a civil proceeding, AND just the appearance of impropriety is enough to throw folks out of office. This isn't a courtroom. Like lindsay said..(groan) It's a cleansing of the office.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212117516#post32

[Chin music]

57. Congress people don't have to do anything but vote their conscience.

Maybe ask DU lawyer in chief starsaver. Then you'll have an answer you can trust. Eh?

[lapucelle]

60. Another posster insists it's criminal.

High crimes and misdemeanors. It is criminal.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100212117516#post49

Trump has committed crimes. He is a criminal.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100212117516#post50

[lapucelle]

62. Vote their conscience on what?

Are you looking for an up or down vote on a resolution, without an investigation, hearings, and testimony?

[lapucelle]

43. Bookkmarked for you post.

Thanks!

[Me.]

48. Morning

[True Blue American]

52. We have a great group of

Really brilliant Attorneys working on these cases.

When Barr caved you see the first crack in the wall. Now New York. Cohen records unsealed, a trickle turning into a flood.

[Me.]

55. And Now A Judge Says Deutche Bank Has To Turn Over The Records

[True Blue American]

56. Trump's fake

Temper tantrum today shows the wall is cracking I guess Barr finally decided he was not gong down with Trump.

[marble falls]

25. Which will not get him out of office because a GOP Senate will not convict.

[Chin music]

28. Maybe, and may...be not. But, we won't know until we call their bluff, and try marble falls.

[marble falls]

29. If he thinks Mueller cleared him, what will his basket of deplotables think when ...

the senate doesn't convict him? We can beat him on Nov 3, 2020 without any gamble and not have Pence.

[Chin music]

31. You know what hoss? I'm beyond caring what 30% of America, who thinks russia is better than

the USA thinks. These people are letting russia in the front door. Memorial Day is coming up. It's important to me, and reminds me of the sacrifice of others so we can be here today, talking about our future.
I'm SO tired of not moving bc of "what the gop will do." Bold measures are called for, and it's high time the Dems got cooking. That was the promise of the Blue Wave...a check on trump. And 4.5 months of trying it the gop way, is enough...but hey....thats qualified by JMHO. That's all it is. One persons post on DU. We shall see tomorrow right?

[marble falls]

33. Lets remember the deplorables did get their man elected ...

This shit is not about getting even with Trump. The enemy is not Trump, its the GOP. Even if we do get him impeached, it would be a great favor to the GOP that we do it. They'd love to have Pence rather than Trump.

We'll kick his ass on Nov 3, 2020 and we better pick up some GOP Senate seats for the Democratic President - whoever he or she is.

[Chin music]

35. Pence is a gift after the horror of trump. The abortion thing is going to the SC.

Pence hasn't got much more on us, than the fear of that happening, and it's already a done deal. (It seems.) But, he's riding dirty as well. The investigation is going to uncover his nappy ass too. And when we fight...we keep promises, and we set up the next time around for voters bc they relied on our promises to check trump in 2018. We shall see tomorrow.
trumps making hay on promises made. promises kept...bc of a complicit gop. Time to snap into keeping our promises.
PS..FUCK TRUMP>

[marble falls]

39. Trump is a piece of work out for himself and he'll put his children under a bus ...

but Pence thinks he is called by G*d to bring about a "Christian" Republic. And he looks normal enough to most people. But when you read about the shit he and his family pulled on Indianapolis and Indiana, you'll see what a piece of shit he really is. Just check out his governorship just prior to the election. He tried to legalize bigotry under his "Freedom of Religion Restoration Act". And then had to recind the law after the blowback in less that 5 months.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_Freedom_Restoration_Act_(Indiana)

[Chin music]

41. Im sorry for not being clear. Pence has some stink yet to throw around, but,

it's not much more than the erosion of lgbtq rights, re;ligious rights(?), already, and some of the other grimness that is the pence histrionics. He wouldn't get elected. After this trainload of BULLshit comes out, a LOT of the gop voting base is going to jump ship. Most gop suck, but, there are those who are as intelligent of we, in their beliefs about what we really expect from our govt, that are tired of this too. They're just wilfully ignoring it bc times are good for them, and they were sticking together on it bc, they are making out like bandits financially. Amash screwed the pooch on that one. He pierced the veil of wilful ignorance.
End of the day, we won't know unless we try, and doing this round and round about what to do, is just spinning our wheels, while trump camps out in the WH. Grrrrrrrr.
Imagine what we can do if we werent afraid? All said and done? When we are just reactionary to all things gop, were are displaying a fear response imho. When we drive the leadership and tangible results, people may have really learned their lesson on this, and remember, we outnumber them 2 to 1. And when they can't cheat, those numbers flesh out too. We never lose again. Statistically, we win every time. (Macro view.)
Time to clean up govt.
Last thing, back to pence, any bullshit he gets passed? When we regain power we move fast and rescind this monkey business they slipped through. That tax cut has to go too. Not the end of the world.

[triron]

37. No Putin installed him. I you think otherwise you are deluded.

[marble falls]

40. It was Putin alllllll by himself, voters had nothing to with it. If you believe that you're deluded.

[Chin music]

42. This is getting a little rough imho.

We're all just excited. We're all friends here. None of us know anything for sure. It's all good. Sorry if I contributed to it. We are in uncharted waters. Congress is going to act tomorrow in their meeting. And I bet one of the things they talk about is arresting people right on the floor of congress. mnuchin and mchan and carson and others come to mind. And impeachment. Once folks get arrested, the whole tough guy, do what trump says theme, will start to crumble. Nobody will go to jail for trump. Judges are making good decisions. nancy is coming around. Times are good.
PS.
I may be flying the flag again by tomorrow afternoon. Woot.
Rock on.

[marble falls]

53. Sturm und Drang, it makes the world go round and nobody here is trying to knife anybody else ...

in their sleep.

[Chin music]

54. Ok.

I don't know German, but I trust in your good nature. "Nobody"? I wonder. If that were true, why mirt?
It didn't really mean much today anyway. My flag stays tucked away. Yet another day, and probably all the red white and blue holidays this summer too.

[gldstwmn]

51. If we still have free and fair elections.

Hillary Clinton beat him by 3 1/2 million votes. And yet there he is. You are putting eggs in a basket of the future that may never happen. Good luck with that.

[Rambling Man]

73. Exactly

Keep reading people harping on about wait for 2020, as if crooked elections will purge the body politic of this cancer.

BUT THERE IS NOTHING BEING DONE TO ENSURE FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS.