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demmiblue

(36,823 posts)
Sat May 18, 2019, 04:08 PM May 2019

Whoa, Justin Amash (R) concludes that Trump has commited impeachable offenses:

GOP Congressman @justinamash, who has read the redacted Mueller Report, concludes Barr has deliberately misrepresented the Report’s findings & Trump has committed impeachable offenses. He lays out his reasoning in this thread. Let’s hope he can help his colleagues grow a spine.

Here are my principal conclusions:
1. Attorney General Barr has deliberately misrepresented Mueller’s report.
2. President Trump has engaged in impeachable conduct.
3. Partisanship has eroded our system of checks and balances.
4. Few members of Congress have read the report.



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Whoa, Justin Amash (R) concludes that Trump has commited impeachable offenses: (Original Post) demmiblue May 2019 OP
Where's this sane GOP rep come from? sinkingfeeling May 2019 #1
Michigan. n/t demmiblue May 2019 #2
Michigan brucefan May 2019 #3
U.S. Representative for Michigan's 3rd congressional district. Lochloosa May 2019 #4
I wonder if he has seen his polling numbers ? OnDoutside May 2019 #14
Amash Has Always Been A Decent Politician - I Doubt Polling Number Are Driving His Actions Indykatie May 2019 #25
No, he is not a decent politician. demmiblue May 2019 #38
Thanks for setting his record in print. saidsimplesimon May 2019 #45
He is a self-described Libertarian Ruby the Liberal May 2019 #66
I totally agree... dajoki May 2019 #68
He is not sane. He blames part of the problem on Democrats. pangaia May 2019 #34
Well of course he does...he's not going to say the GOP is the sole problem even though they are. nt UniteFightBack May 2019 #54
He's a Libertarian. Most of his gldstwmn May 2019 #62
Grand Rapids. DeVos country. My brother-in-law's district are pissed at the DeVoses ancianita May 2019 #74
Unrolled thread... PunkinPi May 2019 #5
Thank you for adding that. demmiblue May 2019 #6
Kick for this post. n/t Qutzupalotl May 2019 #8
KICK. Appreciating this post. n/t MFGsunny May 2019 #30
Impeachment coming from a Michigan saidsimplesimon May 2019 #46
May be a puke, but he summed it up. Kid Berwyn May 2019 #67
K&R Kurt V. May 2019 #7
That's a beginning! kentuck May 2019 #9
Well, sure, but he's a Republican, and our Dems aren't willing to call out Trump like he is nt coti May 2019 #58
4. Few members of Congress have read the report. DemoTex May 2019 #10
I don't think he polled them or anything. Susan Calvin May 2019 #27
Unread Horizens May 2019 #53
Certainly didn't look at the underlying evidence. Ligyron May 2019 #60
Until more of his cohorts read the report he should avoid traveling in small aircraft. Ford_Prefect May 2019 #11
More of this please! Glimmer of Hope May 2019 #12
k&r nt steve2470 May 2019 #13
wow the bricks are starting to fall... Peacetrain May 2019 #15
it is a tiny chack in the wall. but it is hopeful. riversedge May 2019 #16
I will take that little acorn.. from which that mighty oak will grow Peacetrain May 2019 #17
ok. I am going to pouch some of your optimism. Have a nice evening. riversedge May 2019 #20
You too.. hope you have nicer weather than we have had to deal with here in iowa.. Peacetrain May 2019 #21
And a tiny mustard seed WILL grow. ☺ eom sprinkleeninow May 2019 #22
ahhh faith of a mustard seed.. Peacetrain May 2019 #23
I still have that amount left. I think.😌 eom sprinkleeninow May 2019 #36
A crack in the GOP treason wall. denbot May 2019 #18
That's perceptive analysis from anyone, let alone a Republican! Ramsey Barner May 2019 #19
Welcome to the party pal! kairos12 May 2019 #24
Few read the report... Mike Nelson May 2019 #26
he's young. barbtries May 2019 #28
Hell freezes over! patphil May 2019 #29
I'm calling this a historical moment, because...it is. FINALLY Leghorn21 May 2019 #31
Anyone who doesn't think Trump has committed crimes Mr.Bill May 2019 #32
Partisanship??? pangaia May 2019 #33
I wish he was my Rep instead of the reprehensible Jody Hice! Different Drummer May 2019 #35
i follow him on twitter and so do a lot of the same ppl that I follow... samnsara May 2019 #37
I hope he goes on every national show including Fox Funtatlaguy May 2019 #39
He will be attacked by fat Donnie and his minions on Fox kimbutgar May 2019 #40
Amash pamdb May 2019 #41
Heart be still. A RepubliCON with a conscience? I'd given up on that. Evolve Dammit May 2019 #42
Now take the next step, Justin NastyRiffraff May 2019 #43
he won't have a choice now. They' ll seek him out. for good or bad Kurt V. May 2019 #44
limbaugh will say his name a few times, the ditthead /teabag army will get on the certainot May 2019 #61
It would appear Mr. Amash gibraltar72 May 2019 #47
He is the first, but will there be others to say this? Stuart G May 2019 #48
Yes, imo saidsimplesimon May 2019 #49
where do we send him campaign money?? nt Grasswire2 May 2019 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author amb123 May 2019 #51
He must not be running again in 2020 madville May 2019 #52
About time orangecrush May 2019 #55
He was my old rep. MI-03 include Grand Rapids. He has his moments, but not enough of them. catbyte May 2019 #56
First pebble in the damn breaks jimlup May 2019 #57
From your keyboard to Dog's ears. Nt raccoon May 2019 #69
Now if we could only get Democratic leadership to speak with such integrity nt coti May 2019 #59
Amash's district will soon be redrawn. roamer65 May 2019 #63
Upton and Walberg are our next targets in 2020. roamer65 May 2019 #64
I saw that. PatrickforO May 2019 #65
Good for him wryter2000 May 2019 #70
This is actually international news. zentrum May 2019 #71
One down coeur_de_lion May 2019 #72
Let the truth-attacking begin... czarjak May 2019 #73

Indykatie

(3,695 posts)
25. Amash Has Always Been A Decent Politician - I Doubt Polling Number Are Driving His Actions
Sat May 18, 2019, 05:32 PM
May 2019

He should just leave the GOP and stop wanting to believe he can improve their lot from within. He Can't.

demmiblue

(36,823 posts)
38. No, he is not a decent politician.
Sat May 18, 2019, 06:17 PM
May 2019

He is principled, I will give him that. But many of his views are abhorrent and fit soundly within the GOP framework.

Where is he going to go? Third party?

dajoki

(10,678 posts)
68. I totally agree...
Sun May 19, 2019, 09:51 AM
May 2019

he might be the only one who knows how to read, but he is still a repube. I am very sick of all the praise for stating the obvious, until more start to speak out I will refuse to give any of them credit.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
54. Well of course he does...he's not going to say the GOP is the sole problem even though they are. nt
Sat May 18, 2019, 08:25 PM
May 2019

PunkinPi

(4,874 posts)
5. Unrolled thread...
Sat May 18, 2019, 04:17 PM
May 2019
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1129831615952236546.html


Here are my principal conclusions:
1. Attorney General Barr has deliberately misrepresented Mueller’s report.
2. President Trump has engaged in impeachable conduct.
3. Partisanship has eroded our system of checks and balances.
4. Few members of Congress have read the report.

I offer these conclusions only after having read Mueller’s redacted report carefully and completely, having read or watched pertinent statements and testimony, and having discussed this matter with my staff, who thoroughly reviewed materials and provided me with further analysis.

In comparing Barr’s principal conclusions, congressional testimony, and other statements to Mueller’s report, it is clear that Barr intended to mislead the public about Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s analysis and findings.

Barr’s misrepresentations are significant but often subtle, frequently taking the form of sleight-of-hand qualifications or logical fallacies, which he hopes people will not notice.

Under our Constitution, the president “shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” While “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” is not defined, the context implies conduct that violates the public trust.

Contrary to Barr’s portrayal, Mueller’s report reveals that President Trump engaged in specific actions and a pattern of behavior that meet the threshold for impeachment.

In fact, Mueller’s report identifies multiple examples of conduct satisfying all the elements of obstruction of justice, and undoubtedly any person who is not the president of the United States would be indicted based on such evidence.

Impeachment, which is a special form of indictment, does not even require probable cause that a crime (e.g., obstruction of justice) has been committed; it simply requires a finding that an official has engaged in careless, abusive, corrupt, or otherwise dishonorable conduct.

While impeachment should be undertaken only in extraordinary circumstances, the risk we face in an environment of extreme partisanship is not that Congress will employ it as a remedy too often but rather that Congress will employ it so rarely that it cannot deter misconduct.

Our system of checks and balances relies on each branch’s jealously guarding its powers and upholding its duties under our Constitution. When loyalty to a political party or to an individual trumps loyalty to the Constitution, the Rule of Law—the foundation of liberty—crumbles.

We’ve witnessed members of Congress from both parties shift their views 180 degrees—on the importance of character, on the principles of obstruction of justice—depending on whether they’re discussing Bill Clinton or Donald Trump.

Few members of Congress even read Mueller’s report; their minds were made up based on partisan affiliation—and it showed, with representatives and senators from both parties issuing definitive statements on the 448-page report’s conclusions within just hours of its release.

America’s institutions depend on officials to uphold both the rules and spirit of our constitutional system even when to do so is personally inconvenient or yields a politically unfavorable outcome. Our Constitution is brilliant and awesome; it deserves a government to match it.


Is the tide finally starting to turn?

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
46. Impeachment coming from a Michigan
Sat May 18, 2019, 07:26 PM
May 2019

Republican? Pigs, with genetic mutations, may one day fly, but, could this be a cynical ploy?

I "want to believe" that Republican politicians will disavow the usurper, logic is a stern master.

Kid Berwyn

(14,795 posts)
67. May be a puke, but he summed it up.
Sun May 19, 2019, 01:49 AM
May 2019

Now let’s see who else is with him.

In the process, we’ll discover who else stands with the traitor.

Susan Calvin

(1,646 posts)
27. I don't think he polled them or anything.
Sat May 18, 2019, 05:44 PM
May 2019

I think he meant that if they had they would've come to his conclusions.

Ligyron

(7,616 posts)
60. Certainly didn't look at the underlying evidence.
Sat May 18, 2019, 10:15 PM
May 2019

Came right out and confessed he didn't examine any of the evidence when questioned.

Peacetrain

(22,872 posts)
15. wow the bricks are starting to fall...
Sat May 18, 2019, 05:14 PM
May 2019

just started an op on this myself and then saw your op.. so I deleted.. Hopefully this is the beginning of the flood that will take the current resident of the white house back to ny

Ramsey Barner

(349 posts)
19. That's perceptive analysis from anyone, let alone a Republican!
Sat May 18, 2019, 05:18 PM
May 2019

"While impeachment should be undertaken only in extraordinary circumstances, the risk we face in an environment of extreme partisanship is not that Congress will employ it as a remedy too often but rather that Congress will employ it so rarely that it cannot deter misconduct."

Thanks, PunkinPi, for the unrolled thread!

Mike Nelson

(9,944 posts)
26. Few read the report...
Sat May 18, 2019, 05:39 PM
May 2019

… they should be required to read the report... if was sent to them for reading.


barbtries

(28,769 posts)
28. he's young.
Sat May 18, 2019, 05:44 PM
May 2019

probably weighing the relative merits of doing the right thing vs following his party vis a vis his future in politics. he is a republican after all. having said that, i'll take it and venture that he will come out smelling like a rose compared to most republicans after this is all written down in history.

what i struggle with is any republican who remains with the party given the clear evidence of their wrongdoing.

patphil

(6,150 posts)
29. Hell freezes over!
Sat May 18, 2019, 05:44 PM
May 2019

And a Republican member of Congress expresses a reasonable, honest, patriotic, non-partisan statement on the content of the Mueller report.

I don't know which would be the most remarkable thing.

Patrick Phillips

Leghorn21

(13,522 posts)
31. I'm calling this a historical moment, because...it is. FINALLY
Sat May 18, 2019, 05:57 PM
May 2019

”Amash” is trending at #3, so the whole wide world’s gonna hear about this, YEAH

This is how ya do it, COTTON
FLYNN
GAETZ
GRAHAM
MCCONNELL
MEADOWS
JORDAN
Etc ad infinitum


fuck you all

Mr.Bill

(24,238 posts)
32. Anyone who doesn't think Trump has committed crimes
Sat May 18, 2019, 06:00 PM
May 2019

is either an idiot or is guilty of the same crimes.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
33. Partisanship???
Sat May 18, 2019, 06:03 PM
May 2019

Uh, no dude..false equivalency... stop trying to soften the blow.....
"There are good nazis and there are bad nazis.. sure...."
.... fucking lying republican traitors have "eroded our system of checks and balances."


blah blah--even that is a throw away line --- twinkle twinkle ...

Stop putting ANY of this on Democrats !

samnsara

(17,604 posts)
37. i follow him on twitter and so do a lot of the same ppl that I follow...
Sat May 18, 2019, 06:07 PM
May 2019

..so hes been known for a bit for his fair views. But wow to come out and say this out loud is very big. Maybe this is what Nancys beens waiting for..or maybe she knew/knows all along who will support her, and when.

Trumps gonna be piiiiiiiiised.


caught the end of a live report on it..SE Cupp and Bill Kristol

kimbutgar

(21,055 posts)
40. He will be attacked by fat Donnie and his minions on Fox
Sat May 18, 2019, 06:49 PM
May 2019

Though it might be ignored by Fox and their minions so as not to get people to pay attention, Maybe we need to give his tweet a gentle push in the twitter verse.

pamdb

(1,332 posts)
41. Amash
Sat May 18, 2019, 06:57 PM
May 2019

He's my congressman. He also come in on the tea party wave. Need voted for him, never will,
but I will say he has come out before against pumpkin head, so I'll give him that. I think he
might try running as an independent but he's got awhile. Hope he doesn't look at running for Senate against our two democratic senators.
 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
61. limbaugh will say his name a few times, the ditthead /teabag army will get on the
Sat May 18, 2019, 10:25 PM
May 2019

phone and scream at his staff all day repeating what limbaugh's been saying since inauguration - that it's a deep state coup, and he'll start backtracking like they all do

that's why trump paraded limbaugh out at mara largo right after the report came out - it apparently didn't work with amash

although maybe amash has a kid in the army (i don't know)

Stuart G

(38,414 posts)
48. He is the first, but will there be others to say this?
Sat May 18, 2019, 07:35 PM
May 2019

key sentence and key words

Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI) slammed President Trump and Attorney General William Barr is a series of tweets, while saying he offers his conclusions “only after having read Mueller’s redacted report carefully and completely.”
....After reading the full report, Amash says Barr deliberately misrepresented (lied) about the contents of the report and their conclusions. This is pretty strong, accusing the AG of lying about the contents of the report.


What this really means is Amash is urging everyone to read the "entire report carefully and completely."

Many congresspersons have not done so. So, he says read it all, and you will come to the same conclusion.

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

madville

(7,404 posts)
52. He must not be running again in 2020
Sat May 18, 2019, 08:09 PM
May 2019

because if he does he is going to get a Pro-Trump primary challenger and lose. I admire his courage on the subject though, his political career is over as a member of the Republican Party.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
57. First pebble in the damn breaks
Sat May 18, 2019, 08:59 PM
May 2019

could be a trend. We can hope that some Republicans are actually human beings rather than FOX NEWS zombies.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
63. Amash's district will soon be redrawn.
Sun May 19, 2019, 12:21 AM
May 2019

He’s getting ahead of the game. His district is only R+6, as presently gerrymandered.

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