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Fri May 17, 2019, 07:13 PM

Even if the Dems started impeachment tomorrow, that wouldn't satisfy some people

They will be second-guess, harp, snipe, blame, and nsist they know better than the people who are actually doing th work.

So I'm glad Pelosi, Nadler and their colleagues aren't falling for the "just open impeachment hearings and all will be well and right with the world" bait.

Because some people will never be satisfied since their sniping has little or.nothing to do with achieving the ends they claim and everything to do with trying to tear down Nancy Pelosi.

(Psst. It ain't gonna work cause Nancy's not skeerdayu)

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Reply Even if the Dems started impeachment tomorrow, that wouldn't satisfy some people (Original post)
EffieBlack May 2019 OP
The Velveteen Ocelot May 2019 #1
applegrove May 2019 #2
EffieBlack May 2019 #12
applegrove May 2019 #13
Hortensis May 2019 #4
EffieBlack May 2019 #5
Trumpocalypse May 2019 #10
empedocles May 2019 #15
watoos May 2019 #3
applegrove May 2019 #7
watoos May 2019 #6
EffieBlack May 2019 #8
InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #16
Hotler May 2019 #9
EffieBlack May 2019 #11
Hotler May 2019 #14
InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #17
kacekwl May 2019 #18
EffieBlack May 2019 #19
kacekwl May 2019 #20
EffieBlack May 2019 #22
Bettie May 2019 #23
uponit7771 May 2019 #30
Backseat Driver May 2019 #31
kacekwl May 2019 #25
StarfishSaver May 2019 #26
kacekwl May 2019 #34
StarfishSaver May 2019 #38
mcar May 2019 #21
Hotler May 2019 #24
Me. May 2019 #27
Kurt V. May 2019 #28
JoeOtterbein May 2019 #29
RandySF May 2019 #32
InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #33
EffieBlack May 2019 #35
InAbLuEsTaTe May 2019 #36
EffieBlack May 2019 #37

Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri May 17, 2019, 07:21 PM

1. A lot of opinions are being offered by people who haven't a clue about how any of this works.

It's easy to sit at the computer and froth at the mouth about how the Democrats, and Pelosi especially, all suck because Trump hasn't yet been escorted out of the White House with his coat over his head. The question at this point, I think, isn't whether impeachment should occur, but how and when. The devil is always in the details, and the details, which are not well-understood by some keyboard warriors, have to be done exactly right.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Fri May 17, 2019, 07:22 PM

2. Day two of the Pelosi onslaught.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #2)

Fri May 17, 2019, 08:07 PM

12. Not an accident or coincidence

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #12)

Fri May 17, 2019, 08:09 PM

13. I'm with you Effie.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Fri May 17, 2019, 07:30 PM

4. I figure DU's saved more than a few walls

from being punched, but no guess how many computers have taken the blows.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Fri May 17, 2019, 07:30 PM

5. Exactly!

I haven't seen Pelosi or any House.member say impeachment shouldn't happen, yet numerous journalist and all manner of people here keep insisting that they have, even after being corrected for the umpteenth time.

I have a feeling there's more to their claims than meets the eye ...

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Fri May 17, 2019, 08:01 PM

10. +1 nt

 

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Fri May 17, 2019, 08:32 PM

15. Some keyboard warriors do not seem to understand much of how impeachment, Pelosi,

Mueller, or Committee Chairpersons, work.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri May 17, 2019, 07:28 PM

3. Show me 1 post where Speaker Pelosi

 

Has been bashed? Is Auntie Maxine a Pelosi basher?
Answer that question before I post some more.

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Response to watoos (Reply #3)

Fri May 17, 2019, 07:40 PM

7. Here. We are in Day 2 of the new Pelosi bashing.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri May 17, 2019, 07:37 PM

6. OK one more

 

Is Rachel Maddow bashing Speaker Pelosi?
Should we start boycotting her show?

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Response to watoos (Reply #6)

Fri May 17, 2019, 07:45 PM

8. What a ridiculous post

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Response to watoos (Reply #6)

Fri May 17, 2019, 08:37 PM

16. Seriously!! Actions speak louder than words... impeach the bastard now!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri May 17, 2019, 08:00 PM

9. Tell me how much longer we should wait until...

the Blue wave stops playing nice and starts kicking some ass?

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Response to Hotler (Reply #9)

Fri May 17, 2019, 08:05 PM

11. I don't know

And neither do you.

In fact, neither one of us is an expert on how the Democratic leadership should proceed in this very complicated matter. The difference is that, I'm not pretending to be.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #11)

Fri May 17, 2019, 08:11 PM

14. Well bless your heart. nt

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Response to Hotler (Reply #9)

Fri May 17, 2019, 08:39 PM

17. Until yesterday!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri May 17, 2019, 10:07 PM

18. In other words,

the folks in charge don't need or want your opinion. There are a lot of people out here who very likely know the pulse of the people a lot better than those in the bubble of D.C. . People have short attention spans and getting shorter every day.

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #18)

Sun May 19, 2019, 08:54 AM

19. Opinion is one thing

Constant harping, bashing, second-guessing and “you’re doing it all wrong, do it like I tell you to do” from people who don’t have the first clue about law or congressional procedure and don’t they can learn anything from people who do is a different thing and needs to be ignored.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #19)

Sun May 19, 2019, 09:10 AM

20. Procedure means nothing to the criminals in charge.

After almost 2 years people want results. So far the only result people have heard is no collusion no obstruction. Not gulity time to move on. So while we follow procedure we lose interest and momentum.

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #20)

Sun May 19, 2019, 09:37 AM

22. But following procedure is one of the things that makes us different than them -

you know, not criminals.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #22)

Sun May 19, 2019, 09:49 AM

23. But, if there are rules and only one side follows them

and the other side has the entire enforcement apparatus on their side, on their payroll...how do they ever get enforced?

Impeachment, no impeachment, at this point, I'm starting to think none of it actually matters anymore, because they own the courts and if they get a ruling against them that says "release x, y, and z to congress", they simply won't do it because there is no enforcement mechanism in place.

Bashing? Not really. Feeling that it is already all lost? Yes.

Maybe they are crossing all the t's and dotting all the i's so that they can make a case that they have done everything by rules, but in the end, I honestly doubt that even the word impeachment will cause any documentation to be turned over or anyone to defy Trump and his minions and testify.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #23)

Sun May 19, 2019, 06:20 PM

30. Technically ... the word "impeachment" wont cause any documents to be handed over ... period.

There's no greater importance given to impeachment than any other congressional investigation that ... COULD ... lead to impeachment.

Basically what Pelosi said the other day.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #23)

Sun May 19, 2019, 06:27 PM

31. I'm anxious about the "no way to enforce the rules" part too, Bettie.

I seem to recall that the Koch Bros wanted to begin a committee for Constitutional changes? Obviously, the AG wants a whole lot of rules to not apply to the person elected to fill the Presidency as well as those he's appointed to serve in his admin and GOP party-line reps in Congress as well, nor does anyone really HAVE TO follow traditions that were not considered needed by the framers back then. If the SCOTUS deck is also stacked purposefully, and our rules only depend on their biased subjective interpretations, just where will the People and the Congress, one of the co-equal branches, and their committee investigators go when what amounts to a dictator and his "hand" say they do not need to follow rules of any kind and treat rules like some arbitrary ambiguous traditions that need not be performed. It's been noted by media guests that we are in Constitutional Crisis now - how can the rule of law that supposedly states that no one is above the law, especially the POTUS, be enforced and protect us from His tyranny.

In addition, the electoral college, stands to even out representation and was thought to be a sort of fail-safe to the People choosing the wrong person to fulfill that all-important dynamic duo office, but states have mandated how voting goes under many instances of gerrymandering, a biased approach to voting, as if the fail-safe function doesn't exist as well. Are we saying that we as a People can actually vote to end our democratic form of government and the electoral college would uphold that vote???

What do I think? I believe the person holding the highest office in the land has not one shred of humanity's better qualities - NOT ONE! i certainly want to believe that Speaker Pelosi can guide our representatives toward what seems the only means of removing a person from that office who is not fit to serve BEFORE we need to fix what may become unfixable for America's future. If not, we may never get that chance again in many decades of lives.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #22)

Sun May 19, 2019, 05:31 PM

25. Different and or moral don't win the war. And yes

it is war.

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #25)

Sun May 19, 2019, 05:44 PM

26. If you think morals are dispensable so that we can win, what are you fighting for?

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #26)

Sun May 19, 2019, 07:49 PM

34. I'm fighting for the Democratic republic known as the United States.

If we lose the war the republic will be unrecognizable. They will make the laws, enforce the laws, determine who wins who loses. And guess what it won't be me or you. So if trying to kneecap them all now will help then so be it.

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Response to kacekwl (Reply #34)

Sun May 19, 2019, 08:16 PM

38. So you think the ends justify the means because your cause is just? Ok, but

That's what the other side thinks, too. And they are just as certain of the rightness of their ends as you are of the rightness of yours.



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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 09:23 AM

21. Kick. This is truth.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 10:07 AM

24. We'll never know for sure unless it happens. nt

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 05:47 PM

27. Especially The Media

Where is their guessing/blame game if the Dems don't play?

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 06:05 PM

28. and then there are *some people* that actually care about the precedent this sets.

as far as pelosi, she has the record of an above average speaker. one of the best in history. a lot of ppl in history have been good at what they do right up to the moment they weren't

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 06:17 PM

29. Tomorrow is too late because it...

...never comes.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 06:36 PM

32. Twitter is only a fraction of the party

and impeachment rarely comes up in candidate town halls.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Sun May 19, 2019, 07:14 PM

33. Maybe some... I'd be EXTREMELY satisfied!! What are we waiting for?! Do it, now!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #33)

Sun May 19, 2019, 07:54 PM

35. I'm pretty sure they'll do it

I look forward to seeing you get off their backs and offering your full-throated support when they do.

However, you may be on the minority among the “do it now” crowd since I don’t think they’LL ever be satisfied with anything the Democratic leadership does.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #35)

Sun May 19, 2019, 08:00 PM

36. I just call 'em like I see 'em... to me, impeachment is a no-brainer!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #36)

Sun May 19, 2019, 08:08 PM

37. I think it also is to House leadership

But strategy is critical if it’s to make any difference or constitutes more than just a short-term feel good exercise that has no real results in the long run.

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