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Name removed May 16 OP
kentuck May 16 #1
watoos May 16 #4
Nuggets May 16 #18
BlueJac May 16 #2
MFM008 May 16 #3
ehrnst May 16 #21
watoos May 16 #5
JI7 May 16 #6
uponit7771 May 16 #9
Nuggets May 16 #15
NewJeffCT May 16 #17
StarfishSaver May 16 #10
watoos May 16 #12
StarfishSaver May 16 #13
Eyeball_Kid May 16 #14
LenaBaby61 May 16 #28
Nuggets May 16 #16
ehrnst May 16 #23
Hortensis May 16 #26
ehrnst May 16 #19
ehrnst May 16 #20
George II May 16 #22
zipplewrath May 16 #29
Generic Other May 16 #25
BumRushDaShow May 16 #7
Name removed May 16 #11
RandiFan1290 May 16 #8
ehrnst May 16 #24
Mike Nelson May 16 #27

Response to Name removed (Original post)

Thu May 16, 2019, 07:02 AM

1. He is still a part of the Justice Department and is being restricted from testifying...

....until he becomes a civilian again.

It's the game they are playing.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #1)

Thu May 16, 2019, 07:12 AM

4. Why is he being restricted from testifying

whether he works for justice or not Trump/Barr is going to restrict him.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #1)

Thu May 16, 2019, 10:22 AM

18. He can speak

no one has prevented him from getting all over the air waves and cable news to say clearly his report doesn’t reflect what Barr claims.

Comey did with Hillary. His “reopening” of the investigation. His going against FBI protocol and using the words “extremely careless” .
Not saying a word about Russian interference though because he’s a “straight arrow” Lol!

Seems the FBI does what they want ...until now. All the straight arrows didn’t follow their own policies but now Mueller can’t indict a sitting president, or comment on a case.

Interesting isn’t it?

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Thu May 16, 2019, 07:04 AM

2. Pelosi break out the handuffs and use them...

we are losing this battle with weak responses to obstruction. What could we be waiting for, another stunt from Trump and Barr?

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Response to BlueJac (Reply #2)

Thu May 16, 2019, 07:07 AM

3. Yes

Barr is an in your face asshole.
He and maggot are DARING her....

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Response to BlueJac (Reply #2)

Thu May 16, 2019, 11:32 AM

21. Why do you think that she hasn't? (nt)

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Thu May 16, 2019, 07:23 AM

5. I was admonished for bringing this up once before here,

but I bring it up again. Democrats held large majorities in 2008, even in state Houses. In 2010 Democrats lost a net 64 seats in the House. Was Speaker Pelosi to blame for such a significant loss? Yes, at least partially. Of course president Obama and Democrats in general and the DNC all share in the blame.

I'm telling everyone, that loss of 64 seats is in the back of Speaker Pelosi's mind, how could it not be, she was the Speaker over a solid majority one minute and the minority leader the next minute. Speaker Pelosi doesn't want to see a repeat of 2010 and her calculations are being influenced by that. I hope she is right in her strategy but the window is rapidly closing for impeachment, IMO she has until September. Republicans, with the help of the complicit M$M are controlling the narrative, impeachment hearings would regain the narrative for Democrats.

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Response to watoos (Reply #5)

Thu May 16, 2019, 07:25 AM

6. democrats lost because of all the lies about the ACA . the death panels and other crap they spew

the media whores gave full media attention to the teabagging assholes.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #6)

Thu May 16, 2019, 07:40 AM

9. +1

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Response to JI7 (Reply #6)

Thu May 16, 2019, 10:12 AM

15. Yup

and Dems then whined about not getting single payer and punishing Dems in 2010 by staying hone.

The same kind of entitled, self righteous ignorant people now take aim at Pelosi even after the detailed consequences of trying to impeach at this point have been explained in excruciating detail.

Anyone paying attention who doesn’t “get it” by now has an agenda to help the Republicans/trump as far as I’m concerned.

I tire of the slow to understand act by commenters seen here and other sites discussing it.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #6)

Thu May 16, 2019, 10:22 AM

17. and I'm guessing that Democrats

are fearful of the same thing happening again - Donny does tend to drive the media cycle.

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Response to watoos (Reply #5)

Thu May 16, 2019, 07:42 AM

10. Democrats lost because Democrats did not go out to vote

They thought they were punishing Obama, Pelosi, the DNC and the "establishment" Democrats.

But they just cut off all of our noses to spite their faces. And they did it in a redistricting year, which meant the ramifications would last for a decade and more.

They sure showed them, didn't they?

Please stop blaming everybody but voters themselves for the choices the voters consciously make.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #10)

Thu May 16, 2019, 08:11 AM

12. Strong leaders get people enthused to vote,

If you don't think that losing 64 seats in 2010 isn't in the back of Speaker Pelosi's mind, I can't convince you otherwise.

Why shouldn't I blame our Democratic leaders in 2010, they themselves admit that they did a terrible job of explaining Obamacare and of the roll out of Obamacare.

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Response to watoos (Reply #12)

Thu May 16, 2019, 09:13 AM

13. Responsible, mature people who care about their country and community don't wait around for leaders

to "get them enthused" and, if they don't, stay at home and let right wing fanatics take over their statehouses and federal government.

The people who did this cared only about themselves and their hurt feelings because they didn't get the whole loaf and a pony. They only got half a loaf, so they decided to "punish" the leaders they thought weren't "strong" enough by allowing them to be replaced them with strong, but evil people who made clear from the jump what they intended to do. And they were fine with that because they assumed that the right wing demagogues wouldn't affect their lives in any meaningful way. They wanted to send a "message" and they didn't care if that message would result in people being harmed, as long as they could go on about their business without much disruption.

But now that disruption is hitting them and they're pissed. But instead of looking at and taking responsibility for their own actions, they unsurprisingly blamed the "leaders" for not doing enough to get them to vote for them.

It's a ridiculous cycle. And I have no patience for the people who engage in it.

You claim that "our Democratic leaders did a terrible job of explaining Obamacare." But you seem to think you're well-versed in the topic (at least enough to criticize others for not explaining it properly), so someone must have communicated it to you well enough. Given your expertise, what did YOU do to help explain Obamacare to others, to your friends and neighbors and community? Did you organize or participate in any town halls or public forums? Did you write letters to the editor or go on local radio? Did you spread the word at community events? Did you send out information and materials to your contacts?

It is not just our "leaders" responsibility to inform and engage communities and voters. WE have an obligation, too. Our first obligation is to VOTE, whether or not we are madly in love with the people running. But our duty doesn't end there. We also have an obligation to take our privilege - and most of us who have the luxury of debating politics on an online website have a relative degree of privilege - to help educate and empower the people around us.

But sitting back and whining about what our leaders did and didn't do to "get people enthused to vote" is a copout.

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Response to watoos (Reply #12)

Thu May 16, 2019, 09:17 AM

14. Pelosi DID take GWB impeachment inquiries off the table. She left a whole swathe of

pissed off people hanging in the wind because they knew that Bush 43 deserved scrutiny at a Congressional level. It may NOT have been coincidence that she also lost the 64 seats. Denying justice can have a demoralizing effect. Now it appears that she's playing the same game of undeserved restraint toward the criminal dictator, and may be taking the wind out of the sails of a Democratic wave.

At least she looks responsible.

Ah, but she's OUR Speaker...

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #14)

Thu May 16, 2019, 12:29 PM

28. ALL of this up in here, up in here 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

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Response to watoos (Reply #12)

Thu May 16, 2019, 10:15 AM

16. The 'enticed'

crappola again this election?
This isn’t a restaurant, nor sex.
This is serious business
Grow up.

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Response to watoos (Reply #12)

Thu May 16, 2019, 11:42 AM

23. Well, what about the blue wave in 2018? You want to blame her for the first, but

refuse to acknowledge any acheivement the second - and most recent.

You really don't like her, we get it. But some consistency would be more credible...

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Response to watoos (Reply #12)

Thu May 16, 2019, 12:00 PM

26. The babybitter theory of leadership is for preschoolers.

Voters don't create power so much as decide which candidates are, inevitably, going to get existing power, and we all have an absolute civic duty to vote for good and against bad. It comes with citizenship on reaching voting age and continues until no longer able. Our tradition of public schooling began with the need to have a populace educated to fulfill that duty.

I said in another thread that I wish I could beat all those who didn't vote or voted frivolously or spitefully with a stick and it wasn't just blowing off steam.

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Response to watoos (Reply #5)

Thu May 16, 2019, 11:31 AM

20. Since when has the Speaker been responsible for House elections?

That's the DCCC's job, not the Dem house caucus.

Why is the only Speaker being blamed for this the first woman Speaker?

And if she's responsible for "2010" isn't she also then responsible for the blue wave in 2018?

But bash away...

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #20)

Thu May 16, 2019, 11:38 AM

22. She's blamed when Democrats lose seats in the House, but has nothing to do with....

....Democrats winning seats in the House. Go figure.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #20)

Thu May 16, 2019, 12:42 PM

29. Well, she picks the leadership including the DCCC

I do agree that one has to be consistent. If she's "responsible" for 2018, she's "responsible" for 2010. I think both are a bit of an overstatement. Obama's administration had far more to do with 2010 than anything Pelosi did. Alternately, the reaction to HRC's loss, and Trump's RIDICULOUS behavior had more to do with 2018. I DO think that Pelosi is going to have some significant influence on the 2020 elections, at least until an actual nominee is identified.

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Response to watoos (Reply #5)

Thu May 16, 2019, 11:57 AM

25. Pelosi refused to hold Bush and Cheney responsible for lying us into war

We are seen as weak and enabling when we refuse to engage in direct confrontation. Especially when we are right.

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Thu May 16, 2019, 07:29 AM

7. Interesting that you post a link to a Cody Fenwick (TruthOut)

Democratic Party hit piece.

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Thu May 16, 2019, 07:35 AM

8. I am still waiting to see the conclusion of Obama's "12 dimensional chess game." nt

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Thu May 16, 2019, 11:47 AM

24. You share a Democrat bashing link as "evidence" that Pelosi is falling down on the job?

Telling.

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Response to Name removed (Original post)

Thu May 16, 2019, 12:18 PM

27. The strategy is...

… to drag it out so it doesn't matter anymore. Mueller can answer a call from the WP or the NYT... he can release a measured statement... he did this one time only, to favor Trump.

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