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Wed May 15, 2019, 05:03 PM

Abortion bans do NOT end abortion, they force women into the back alleys...

Abortion has been around for thousands of years and isn't going anywhere. The last numbers I read is that tens of thousands of women die from illegal abortions every year.

This is a big reason why we need them safe and legal.

It needs to be made clear. Abortion bans do not end abortions.

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Reply Abortion bans do NOT end abortion, they force women into the back alleys... (Original post)
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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 05:14 PM

1. Abortion bans do not end abortions.

You nailed it in this one sentence. I was around for the fight before Roe. When abortions were illegal, they were always available for a price.

Bans are an attack on women and all those who paid the price in time or treasure to reverse the ban, control their own destiny, or freedom from male domination. Re fighting the 60's feels like a bad continuing episode of The Handmaiden's Tale.

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #1)

Wed May 15, 2019, 05:19 PM

2. One step forward, two steps back is the current theme

in politics.

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #1)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:30 PM

18. Right.

They don't end abortions. They kill women.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 05:20 PM

3. The GOP is likely investing in coat hangers. The GOP is the scum of the earth! n/t

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 05:26 PM

4. Back in the sixties,

Dyersburg Tennessee was the place to go to get abortions, in the Midwest. You just hopped the Illinois Central and headed south.

Wonder if they'll step up to the illegal abortion plate again?

You gotta know these things, just in case.

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Response to nocoincidences (Reply #4)

Wed May 15, 2019, 05:35 PM

5. Wow, that's interesting

Do you know specifically the provider or the clinic in Dyersburg? I have family in that area and had never heard that bit of history before

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Response to Docreed2003 (Reply #5)

Wed May 15, 2019, 06:00 PM

8. I grew up in that area

and have never heard of that. Very interesting; I'd love to know the back story.

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Response to Docreed2003 (Reply #5)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:25 PM

14. I don't have a clue who actually did it.

I never needed it, personally, but always knew that if I asked around it would be easy to find out.

Might even be worth googling.

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Response to nocoincidences (Reply #4)

Wed May 15, 2019, 06:17 PM

9. Really!

They are as red as can be now.

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Response to nocoincidences (Reply #4)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:29 PM

17. Must've been a little known underground.

Of course it was illegal in TN and students up the road from Dyersburg at UT Martin drove to see a doc near UT Knoxville campus to get abortions. I know because hub's cousin borrowed money from us to fund his gf's abortion in Knoxville back in '69.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 05:44 PM

6. Agree

Anecdotally, I had to take a few non-engineering courses in school so I wound up in a physical anthropology class. Monkeys and stuff. The professor wasnít interested in that so told us to read the book and spent the rest of class time telling us stories.

One of the things he said was when you could talk to women you could learn about their cultureís ďabortion recipesĒ as he put it.

Less anecdotally hereís an abstract I found still on the nih website that confirms what you are saying.

Abortion is a universal phenomenon, occurring throughout recorded history and at all levels of societal organization. Techniques are highly varied, as are the circumstances under which it is practised.


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Attention is directed to preindustrial and transitional societies to illustrate the great variety of techniques and conditions under which abortion is practiced. The discussion covers changes in abortion status and attitudes through time as well as past and current attitudes in the US. Abortion traditionally has been performed under 2 primary sets of circumstances: the mother (or couple) does not want the pregnancy; or, for a variety of reasons, the pregnancy is deemed unacceptable by the given society, extended family, or a specific family member, usually the husband.


The paper is from 1986. I canít find the full paper

[link:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/3519038/|]

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 05:48 PM

7. Call The Midwife (BBC/Masterpiece television show)

has had abortion as a recurring theme this season. One woman dies as a result of her abortion and another has to have a hysterectomy, both due to infection from dirty instruments.

The Anglican nuns are opposed to abortion, but wonderfully compassionate and caring with those women who feel that they have no choice.

The penultimate episode is a kick in the teeth, as we find out who the abortionist is.


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Response to Staph (Reply #7)

Wed May 15, 2019, 06:55 PM

10. And we learned her/his own history

Which expains why s/he does this

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Response to Staph (Reply #7)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:35 PM

21. My aunt in the early 50's became sterile from an illegal abortion.

As a young child a family friends daughter who was a lot older than me died from an illegal abortion. She was such a nice girl who played with me even though she was a teen and I was about 6 years old. She played Barbies with me. I remembered her yesterdAy when I heard about this bill becoming law.

It is up to these women in those states to fight back and vote every god damn repuke out of office in future elections and repeal these laws before the Supreme Court gets a crack at it.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:10 PM

11. I always thought safety was the reason abortion was legalized

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:11 PM

12. I read the article by Mormon Mother of 6

If you have not read it, look it up - it's powerful.

After that, I go on local rightwing web discussion boards and throw this out for piefights:

Men can stop abortions more effectively than abortion bans can

All abortions start with a sperm. If you are not ready and willing to be a father, don't ejaculate into a fertile woman. It's that simple. Don't be the cause of an abortion.


Then sit back and watch the sputtering and bizarre rationalizing. Put the damned responsibility back on men!

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Response to jmbar2 (Reply #12)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:31 PM

19. Yes! Here it is:

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:17 PM

13. They end safe abortions; they increase mayhem, horror, and death.

Which is why Roe v Wade was decided that way in the first place.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:27 PM

15. To my mind, we are in a situation now where our votes will be the thing

that makes it clear that we as a people completely repudiate Republican policies, including this one.

I honestly have never, ever understood how these old male churchmen are arrogant enough to believe they should have ANY say in this whatsoever. Because they should not.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:27 PM

16. My mother had a back alley abortion in Columbus, Ohio in 1937.

She later married the man who had gotten her pregnant and they remained married for 50 years when he passed away. She lived to be 95 1/2.

They produced 2 daughters, born a decade later. My mom always had severe 'female problems' and finally had to have a hysterectomy.

I had a legal abortion in 1977 when I was a divorced (with no child support) single mother of a 7 year old. I had that procedure in a clinic in Columbus, Ohio

Now they want to go back 70 years.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:33 PM

20. Unfortunately that's what the men that voted for the law want.

They want women that get abortions to suffer and die while they all sit around sanctified with a clear conscience.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:37 PM

22. true that

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:38 PM

23. They don't care. They think that women who have sex without waiting a baby deserve

"whatever they get."

They slaver over tales of fallen women dying from "killing their baby" as cautionary tales to good young Christian women.

It's their porn.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:47 PM

24. I remember seeing these statistics

A year or 2 ago, I bet they havenít changed much.
The countries with the strictest abortion laws also have the highest abortions.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 08:03 PM

25. Ask the GOP

Someone needs to ask the GOP about foreign aid and abortions in Israel.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 08:30 PM

26. I envision drug dealers selling RU486.

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Response to muntrv (Reply #26)

Wed May 15, 2019, 08:32 PM

27. It'll be women giving them to other women and girls...

Some will try, but I envision an underground network of sorts forming should RvW fall.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 08:58 PM

28. I told a government attorney (a Dem) 15 years ago that the Democratic Party should keep...

Bringing up all the bad things that occur when abortions are made illegal and asking the Republicans what their plans were for all the bad things that occurred and will happen again if they got their way.

This government attorney said that none of that was necessary to get into, because that was just too extreme to bring to the discussion. He also disagreed with me that this country was beginning to become too fascist. This guy was closely tied to the Democratic Party in the area this was in, be he just couldn't wrap his mind around the fact that there are a lot of people in good ole' USA that really do want a scorched earth end game.

Until most people wake the fuck up to what has really been happening in this country for decades, that end game will come sooner than later. First of all, 99% of the people are not wealthy enough to vote Republican, which should be the total sum of everyone's logic. Everything after that is just about stripping rights people gained in the 1900s... Their Republican code word for that is "deregulation".

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 09:01 PM

29. I grew up in the 60's when the option was a coat hanger.

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