Wed May 15, 2019, 12:31 PM
EffieBlack (14,213 posts)
It sure is a good thing Hillary wasn't elected
Can you imagine what a mess the country would be in if she had been?
I can only imagine the divisiveness, the corruption, the investigations, the trampled rights, and all of the other elements in the parade of horrible that would have ensued. Dodged THAT bullet, didn't we? ![]()
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EffieBlack | May 2019 | OP |
uponit7771 | May 2019 | #1 | |
George II | May 2019 | #9 | |
kag | May 2019 | #34 | |
LisaM | May 2019 | #2 | |
maxsolomon | May 2019 | #4 | |
George II | May 2019 | #10 | |
yellowdogintexas | May 2019 | #81 | |
Funtatlaguy | May 2019 | #3 | |
mcar | May 2019 | #13 | |
Cosmocat | May 2019 | #26 | |
John Fante | May 2019 | #29 | |
mcar | May 2019 | #44 | |
jmowreader | May 2019 | #25 | |
Cosmocat | May 2019 | #27 | |
machoneman | May 2019 | #80 | |
spooky3 | May 2019 | #5 | |
maxsolomon | May 2019 | #6 | |
EffieBlack | May 2019 | #7 | |
LibFarmer | May 2019 | #20 | |
barbtries | May 2019 | #8 | |
Eliot Rosewater | May 2019 | #11 | |
mcar | May 2019 | #12 | |
SunSeeker | May 2019 | #23 | |
sheshe2 | May 2019 | #60 | |
ecstatic | May 2019 | #68 | |
mcar | May 2019 | #69 | |
BlueMTexpat | May 2019 | #78 | |
thesquanderer | May 2019 | #14 | |
lunamagica | May 2019 | #16 | |
John Fante | May 2019 | #30 | |
thesquanderer | May 2019 | #41 | |
lunamagica | May 2019 | #46 | |
thesquanderer | May 2019 | #72 | |
uponit7771 | May 2019 | #73 | |
SunSeeker | May 2019 | #24 | |
ismnotwasm | May 2019 | #35 | |
thesquanderer | May 2019 | #42 | |
lunamagica | May 2019 | #74 | |
thesquanderer | May 2019 | #76 | |
thesquanderer | May 2019 | #43 | |
lunamagica | May 2019 | #15 | |
B Stieg | May 2019 | #17 | |
Post removed | May 2019 | #18 | |
StevieM | May 2019 | #21 | |
ProudLib72 | May 2019 | #19 | |
Cosmocat | May 2019 | #22 | |
John Fante | May 2019 | #31 | |
lunamagica | May 2019 | #32 | |
Cosmocat | May 2019 | #52 | |
John Fante | May 2019 | #56 | |
Cosmocat | May 2019 | #67 | |
lunamagica | May 2019 | #37 | |
EffieBlack | May 2019 | #39 | |
Cosmocat | May 2019 | #49 | |
betsuni | May 2019 | #71 | |
LiberalLovinLug | May 2019 | #40 | |
Cosmocat | May 2019 | #50 | |
NYMinute | May 2019 | #28 | |
ffr | May 2019 | #33 | |
Peace06 | May 2019 | #36 | |
Hassler | May 2019 | #38 | |
Raster | May 2019 | #75 | |
Skittles | May 2019 | #45 | |
aikoaiko | May 2019 | #54 | |
sop | May 2019 | #47 | |
aka-chmeee | May 2019 | #48 | |
patphil | May 2019 | #51 | |
lunamagica | May 2019 | #62 | |
MRDAWG | May 2019 | #53 | |
Catch2.2 | May 2019 | #55 | |
Gothmog | May 2019 | #57 | |
comradebillyboy | May 2019 | #58 | |
treestar | May 2019 | #59 | |
sheshe2 | May 2019 | #61 | |
MFM008 | May 2019 | #63 | |
brer cat | May 2019 | #64 | |
NurseJackie | May 2019 | #65 | |
Hekate | May 2019 | #66 | |
betsuni | May 2019 | #70 | |
still_one | May 2019 | #77 | |
chwaliszewski | May 2019 | #79 |
Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 12:33 PM
uponit7771 (74,586 posts)
1. K&R, Trump warned us if we voted for her there would be endless investigations he was right /sarcasm
Response to uponit7771 (Reply #1)
Wed May 15, 2019, 01:11 PM
George II (60,679 posts)
9. I've been saying similar for two plus years. He said, "if you vote for Clinton.....
....you'll get a president under investigation on day one."
I voted for Clinton, and we got a president under investigation on day one (actually even earlier!) |
Response to George II (Reply #9)
Wed May 15, 2019, 02:10 PM
kag (3,205 posts)
34. I remember the morning after the election...
Once I stopped crying I told my husband, "I'll be damned. He was right. The election WAS rigged."
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 12:39 PM
LisaM (26,033 posts)
2. We definitely wouldn't have this slew of anti-abortion legislation.
States are doing this because they believe they have a Supreme Court who will overturn Roe v. Wade, in practice, if not in theory.
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Response to LisaM (Reply #2)
Wed May 15, 2019, 12:48 PM
maxsolomon (23,733 posts)
4. They've been ratcheting up their state legislation for decades.
Death by a 1000 cuts.
Was there even a clinic that provided Abortion Services left in AL? |
Response to maxsolomon (Reply #4)
Wed May 15, 2019, 01:11 PM
George II (60,679 posts)
10. I think there's only one in Mississippi.
Response to George II (Reply #10)
Thu May 16, 2019, 10:44 AM
yellowdogintexas (17,680 posts)
81. I think KY is down to one also and it is endangered
Texas has nothing between I-35 and El Paso, unless there is something in the Panhandle somewhere. Women living in the southwest part of Texas have no resource except Mexico (risky due to bad providers), black market drugs from Mexico, and the old pre Roe backalley horrors. These women cannot afford a trip to Austin, San Antonio, Houston or DFW for any reason. Texas wants a waiting period for the woman to "think about the ramifications", ultrasounds, which means at least 2 overnights and that adds to the cost.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 12:44 PM
Funtatlaguy (8,728 posts)
3. It would have been non stop email investigations
Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #3)
Wed May 15, 2019, 01:31 PM
mcar (35,684 posts)
13. It would have been no Gorsuch, no Kavanaugh
No RWNJ judges all over the place.
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Response to mcar (Reply #13)
Wed May 15, 2019, 01:53 PM
Cosmocat (13,461 posts)
26. True - at the same time there would not be ANY SCJs ...
No chance McConnell or the Rs would have let Hillary seat one.
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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #26)
Wed May 15, 2019, 01:58 PM
John Fante (3,475 posts)
29. That would have put the 2018 senate in jeopardy for the pukes.
Assuming they didn't lose it in 2016.
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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #26)
Wed May 15, 2019, 02:33 PM
mcar (35,684 posts)
44. That would still be better than what we have now
Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #3)
Wed May 15, 2019, 01:53 PM
jmowreader (44,580 posts)
25. I'm not sure about that
If Hillary would have been elected president, she probably would have brought a Democratic Congress along with her. The leadership of same would have told the minority, "no. You've investigated her 500 times and found nothing. The 501st time is not going to give you any different results, so the investigations are over. Right now."
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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #3)
Wed May 15, 2019, 01:55 PM
Cosmocat (13,461 posts)
27. Yep
Hillary would have been a darn good POTUS, but people don't get how horrible the Rs would have been, and how much the country would have indulged their bullshit (buying it, blaming Hillary) and Ds leaving her out there to take the hits like they always do ...
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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #27)
Thu May 16, 2019, 08:52 AM
machoneman (2,314 posts)
80. True but the R-scums have destroyed much of their future election potential for decades....
and since demographics favor us, it may be, even in light of red states efforts to limit voting, we've seen the last Republican president for the next 3-5 cycles, if ever again. We can only hope.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 12:48 PM
spooky3 (26,827 posts)
5. It's hard to imagine anyone more imperfect, or a weaker candidate.
I can’t think of anyone.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 12:50 PM
maxsolomon (23,733 posts)
6. We'd have Neocon Neoliberalism!
And we'd be in a war!
Wait, we're already in 2... |
Response to maxsolomon (Reply #6)
Wed May 15, 2019, 12:56 PM
EffieBlack (14,213 posts)
7. This is much better. The revolution will come faster now. If we survive!
Response to EffieBlack (Reply #7)
Wed May 15, 2019, 01:49 PM
LibFarmer (772 posts)
20. Time is now ripe for the "revolution"
as soon as we defeat all the centrist "Establishment" Democrats.
Soldiers, get your pitchforks and torches ready .... ![]() |
Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 12:57 PM
barbtries (24,680 posts)
8. don't make me cry.
we have been deprived of our rightful president. it's amazing how she keeps trucking after what was done to her.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 01:26 PM
Eliot Rosewater (26,832 posts)
11. Dont be shocked when many folks start whining about ANY D candidate without initials BS
Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 01:30 PM
mcar (35,684 posts)
12. I will never not be angry about this
All the so-called progressives who said the Supreme Court wasn't a big deal, who pushed the "Hillary is corrupt" canard, and, of course, the "Hillary is worse than Trump" idiocy.
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Response to mcar (Reply #12)
Wed May 15, 2019, 04:11 PM
sheshe2 (70,588 posts)
60. Like SS.
Damn her black soul.
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Response to mcar (Reply #12)
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:26 PM
ecstatic (28,381 posts)
68. +1000. It sucks to watch our society implode
in real time. I really hope I'm wrong.
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Response to ecstatic (Reply #68)
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:28 PM
mcar (35,684 posts)
69. I'm getting more concerned every day
Some lines have been crossed that I fear we can't come back from.
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Response to mcar (Reply #12)
Thu May 16, 2019, 06:46 AM
BlueMTexpat (14,792 posts)
78. +1!
Although the tears stopped on the outside, they never have on the inside.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 01:36 PM
thesquanderer (10,868 posts)
14. Sadly, I think the divisiveness would have been about the same either way. (n/t)
Response to thesquanderer (Reply #14)
Wed May 15, 2019, 01:39 PM
lunamagica (9,967 posts)
16. Divisiveness? What about the supreme court, babies in cages, all this horrific nightmare we're
living now?
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Response to lunamagica (Reply #16)
Wed May 15, 2019, 02:02 PM
John Fante (3,475 posts)
30. Charlottesville, transgender ban, a neo-nazi (Miller) crafting WH policy.
None of that would have happened with HRC as president.
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Response to lunamagica (Reply #16)
Wed May 15, 2019, 02:29 PM
thesquanderer (10,868 posts)
41. I didn't say all that stuff would be the same, just that I think we'd be just as divided. (n/t)
Response to thesquanderer (Reply #41)
Wed May 15, 2019, 02:52 PM
lunamagica (9,967 posts)
46. It would be wonderful if divisivness was our worst problem. The way things are now, divisivness
is the least of our problems.
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Response to lunamagica (Reply #46)
Wed May 15, 2019, 08:34 PM
thesquanderer (10,868 posts)
72. Agreed. (n/t)
Response to thesquanderer (Reply #14)
Wed May 15, 2019, 02:10 PM
ismnotwasm (40,005 posts)
35. No, it wouldn't
Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #35)
Wed May 15, 2019, 02:32 PM
thesquanderer (10,868 posts)
42. You think all the Trump voters would suddenly not hate Hillary?
No, they'd probably hate her even more.
So the blue-red divide would be no better than it is today. |
Response to thesquanderer (Reply #42)
Wed May 15, 2019, 11:24 PM
lunamagica (9,967 posts)
74. So what? What are you saying/ that we are better off now without her?
Response to lunamagica (Reply #74)
Thu May 16, 2019, 05:38 AM
thesquanderer (10,868 posts)
76. Where the heck did I say anything like that??
Of course we'd be much better off with HRC as pres! For too many reasons to list. I just don't think we'd have less divisiveness, that's the subject I was replying about.
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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #35)
Wed May 15, 2019, 02:33 PM
thesquanderer (10,868 posts)
43. see post #42
Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 01:37 PM
lunamagica (9,967 posts)
15. Oh, but revolution! It's all worth it, all worth it, I tell ya!
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 01:44 PM
B Stieg (2,410 posts)
17. I love the smell of emails in the morning
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
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Response to Post removed (Reply #18)
Wed May 15, 2019, 01:50 PM
StevieM (10,076 posts)
21. I don't know if you are being serious about the headline, but the DNC did no such thing.
Nor could they have if they had wanted to.
Bernie lost fair and square. He had every opportunity to win, and he couldn't do it. Nothing the DNC did got in his way. The voters just didn't want to nominate him. |
Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 01:48 PM
ProudLib72 (17,984 posts)
19. We wouldn't have anything to discuss on the forums!
Well, the Lounge would continue to exist. Always plenty of cat pictures to post.
Nirvana would be so boring... ![]() |
Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 01:52 PM
Cosmocat (13,461 posts)
22. It would have been a different type of hell
Hillary would have been a darn fine POTUS, just as BHO was, but the republicans would be bat shit crazy, the "liberal media" would be blaming her and advancing whatever crazy shit the Rs were screaming about, and someone would have died, literally, had she tried to seat at SCJ.
The executive branch would not be completely dysfunctional and being gutted like it is now. But, we would not have won the House last fall, Hillary would be getting nothing but impeached by congress and the country would absolutely be indulging republican jackassery, and Trump would very likely end up being POTUS with an actual "mandate" in 2020. We were at a breaking point one way or another ... |
Response to Cosmocat (Reply #22)
Wed May 15, 2019, 02:05 PM
John Fante (3,475 posts)
31. I'll take this version of hell any day over the plague that
is infesting the oval office right now.
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Response to John Fante (Reply #31)
Wed May 15, 2019, 02:07 PM
lunamagica (9,967 posts)
32. So would I
Response to John Fante (Reply #31)
Wed May 15, 2019, 03:14 PM
Cosmocat (13,461 posts)
52. I as well, but
we would have pretty much ended up here four years later.
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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #52)
Wed May 15, 2019, 03:39 PM
John Fante (3,475 posts)
56. Disagree. Had Trump lost, he'd be a bad memory, but little more.
He'd never win the nomination again.
It's amazing that people still downplay how singularly awful he has been for this country. |
Response to John Fante (Reply #56)
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:07 PM
Cosmocat (13,461 posts)
67. Ok
Its lost on you ...
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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #22)
Wed May 15, 2019, 02:13 PM
lunamagica (9,967 posts)
37. You are making a LOT of assumptions there. We are living a real hellish nightmare now
Response to Cosmocat (Reply #22)
Wed May 15, 2019, 02:19 PM
EffieBlack (14,213 posts)
39. A Clinton presidency would have been exponentially better, but people wouldn't know it
They would have been fed a steady diet - with heaping helpings from our own side - about what an awful, disappointing, failed, corrupt (because did you hear about that deputy assistant secretary over at one of the departments who resigned because he filed his financial disclosure form a week after the deadline?) president she was and how it might have been SO much better to have taken a chance on Trump because how bad could he have been - especially since he was all talk and would NEVER have done all those crazy things he threatened and at least he would have brought new ideas and a new way of thinking to Washington, unlike Hillary blah blah blah ...
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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #39)
Wed May 15, 2019, 08:06 PM
betsuni (15,772 posts)
71. This is exactly what would happen.
Response to Cosmocat (Reply #22)
Wed May 15, 2019, 02:19 PM
LiberalLovinLug (12,376 posts)
40. I have to agree
Of course all in all, we would still be a much better place. For the SCOTUS, Repukes would have to allow her to finally seat Garland, if that's who she chose, and even the next one as it was open very shortly after the election as well.
And avoid the many other federal appointed judges around the country, which are being stuffed with pro-Trump a-holes. We wouldn't have pulled out of the Paris climate accord, or went to war with the allies, and coddled Putin. The ACA would be intact and worked on to improve it, rather than dismantle it with a thousand cuts. On and on.... But please.....you are living in a fantasy if one thinks the country would not be as divided. Trump would never have stopped Tweeting. As well he'd have even more time to have more rallies all the time, which the MSM would dutifully cover. As well we'd be well into an impeachment based on her email server usage. The senate would refuse to pass any legislation, even if we had won the House. Which we would have lost with a Red Wave last November. |
Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #40)
Wed May 15, 2019, 03:12 PM
Cosmocat (13,461 posts)
50. Yep
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 01:58 PM
NYMinute (3,256 posts)
28. At least our principles held and we remain "pure"
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 02:08 PM
ffr (19,906 posts)
33. She would have wanted a military parade down D.C. to honor her ego.
She and the democrats would have been able to move stagnating wages along for the middle-class, promoted, not torn down the ACA.
And CO2 is at 415 PPM, something humans have never been around to witness. We're fucked!!! |
Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 02:12 PM
Peace06 (246 posts)
36. Hillary
We, the People, DID ELECT HILLARY! The cheating and the Russians elected trump. God help us all. When will it end? I hope Mueller will be forthcoming in his House testimony so that Dems can proceed with ridding our country of this nightmare.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 02:17 PM
Hassler (1,949 posts)
38. Susan Saranwrap is relieved warmonger Hillary isn't around
To start a war with Iran.
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Response to Hassler (Reply #38)
Thu May 16, 2019, 04:35 AM
Raster (20,467 posts)
75. We know one thing for sure: Hilary Clinton would NOT have even let Bolton* through the front door..
...much less give him an opportunity to do what he does best: warmongering.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 02:43 PM
Skittles (133,700 posts)
45. she would have been a great president
whenever I hear someone say they HATE Hillary Clinton, I am reminded just how well propaganda works
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Response to Skittles (Reply #45)
Wed May 15, 2019, 03:17 PM
aikoaiko (31,286 posts)
54. Hey, you're back. Welcome back.
Many asses have gone unkicked while you were away. |
Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 02:58 PM
sop (4,226 posts)
47. The anti-Hillary crowd seemingly went mad in 2016
"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one." ~ Charles Mackay, from "Extraordinary Popular Delusions," 1841, exploring and documenting mass delusions, or the "madness of crowds."
Let's hope they recover their senses by 2020. |
Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 03:03 PM
aka-chmeee (989 posts)
48. Inside of two years they would have impeached or assassinated Hillary and Tim
And Paul Ryan would be president.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 03:13 PM
patphil (1,978 posts)
51. There is a silver lining in all of this
Americans are getting a chance to see just how bad a president can be, and to what extent the Republican party is willing to go the get their way.
GOP = Greed Over People. Of course it's much worse than that. Republicans have made it clear it's their way or the highway. Screw the constitution. Even George W. Bush said that the constitution was, "only a goddam piece of paper". Now Trump and his people wipe their asses with it daily. So, true Americans have a choice; stand and deliver! Take our country back and Make America Great Again in the real sense. Here's to a Trump free future! Patrick Phillips |
Response to patphil (Reply #51)
Wed May 15, 2019, 04:38 PM
lunamagica (9,967 posts)
62. Yeah, revolution! You sound like Sarandon here. I'm sorry, but there is no silver lining to this
tragedy and the thousands of lives it has destroyed.
Americans have seen over and over how bad a president can be, but here we are again. You mentioned Bush. Sure, after him screwing the constitution we would make sure it wouldn't happen again. And here we are. trump free future? the malignant effects of his presidency will be with us for generations. There is no silver lining. |
Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 03:15 PM
MRDAWG (380 posts)
53. But we would not have Kavanaugh and Gorsuch**
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This is the DU member formerly known as MRDAWG.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 03:18 PM
Catch2.2 (612 posts)
55. Seriously!
It is really unbelievable that Traitor Trump has an approval rating in the double digits
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 03:51 PM
Gothmog (92,181 posts)
57. We certainly dodged a bullet
Seriously, the SCOTUS was on the ballot ins 2016 and I will never forgive the stein and other voters who are responsible for trump's election
This is the DU member formerly known as Gothmog.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 03:52 PM
comradebillyboy (8,487 posts)
58. Susan Sarandon, Nina Turner, David Sirota, Briahna Joy Grey
and Cornell West all agree with you on that, except they meant it.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 04:11 PM
treestar (78,323 posts)
59. It would have been awful to have a President who is a warmongering
corporatist indebted to the oligarchs - oh, wait.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 04:24 PM
sheshe2 (70,588 posts)
61. yeah, we sure did.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 04:43 PM
MFM008 (18,897 posts)
63. Those e mails
And lord help us....establishment........
Thank god someones in office that would never do that. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 05:37 PM
NurseJackie (37,593 posts)
65. I know that Susan Sarandon is very relieved. And...
I know that Susan Sarandon is very relieved. And... by the way: FUCK SUSAN SARANDON!!
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 05:55 PM
Hekate (67,120 posts)
66. KnR with great wrath
Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Wed May 15, 2019, 08:01 PM
betsuni (15,772 posts)
70. It would be "Thanks, Hillary!" every day.
Republicans ecstatic, Fox News delirious, tabloids splashing a different Bill Clinton scandal on their covers every week, Justice Democrat/Our Revolution types predicting world war any minute, the Internet overflowing with exciting conspiracy theories. Everything would be Hillary's fault and everyone would be happily angry victims every day.
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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Thu May 16, 2019, 06:43 AM
still_one (76,818 posts)
77. Roe is at risk, war with Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Trade War, War on the environment, the SC,
draconian judicial appointments, healthcare, the whittling down of Civil Rights, Women's Rights, Worker's Rights, etc. etc. etc.
How is your bullshit working out for you Susan Sarandon, and the other jackasses that voted for Jill Stein and encouraging others to do likewise? It didn't take much either to impact it along with Comey, the foreign interference, and we lost two SC appointments because of that. |
Response to EffieBlack (Original post)
Thu May 16, 2019, 08:40 AM
chwaliszewski (1,417 posts)
79. Ah, sarcastic lamenting. This always helps.
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