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Wed May 15, 2019, 12:25 AM

If the government can force you to carry a baby, it can force you to do anything. nt

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Reply If the government can force you to carry a baby, it can force you to do anything. nt (Original post)
EveHammond13 May 2019 OP
lindysalsagal May 2019 #1
Freddie May 2019 #2
MurrayDelph May 2019 #8
Freddie May 2019 #11
RainCaster May 2019 #3
BigmanPigman May 2019 #4
uponit7771 May 2019 #5
catbyte May 2019 #6
ancianita May 2019 #7
More_Cowbell May 2019 #9
SunSeeker May 2019 #10

Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:38 AM

1. Your life, liberty and happiness are no longer yours. Subordination of women.

This shit's gotta stop.

We just recently began to have respect for lgbt, and to take female violence victims seriously. This attack on half the population seems to be a reaction to progressive values, and it also seems to be a really bad time for their cause.

It will be a little scary for a while, but this is just the next thing to wake women up, and it will backfire.

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 12:49 AM

2. After we lose Roe, we take it back to SCOTUS

Not with the “right to privacy”, but the 13th Amendment - the one about involuntary servitude. Bring forced to endure potentially life threatening pregnancy and childbirth against your will is the very definition of the state forcing a woman into involuntary servitude.

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Response to Freddie (Reply #2)

Wed May 15, 2019, 02:27 AM

8. It's a good, logical argument

which will did no good against a bench of "justices" who know what Raul they want and them reverse-engineer the case to match.

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Response to MurrayDelph (Reply #8)

Wed May 15, 2019, 07:10 AM

11. In the eventuality that we get a friendlier court

Or we pack the court. There is no actual “right to privacy” but there is the 13th Amendment.

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:01 AM

3. They can force you to NOT have a baby

My wife and I were married for 17 years before our first child was born. Twelve years of increasingly expensive fertility treatments and finally it worked! Our children have been the best adventure of our lives, and we feel so blessed that they are part of our lives.

Imagine my disappointment a few years ago to find that the catholic church is against fertility treatments as well as abortion. Look it up- they have lots of papers on this and are consistent about it. As soon as they have abortion outlawed, fertility will be next.

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #3)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:50 AM

4. Are you surprised?

Look at their organization for the past 1500+ years. No wonder so many people are leaving that religion during the past 30 years. I have met more "former Catholics" than practicing Catholics in my lifetime. I can't say this about most other religions.

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 01:51 AM

5. K&R, forced government birthers are short sighted about this

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 02:10 AM

6. We get closer to becoming the Republic of Gilead with each passing day.

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 02:20 AM

7. And THAT subjugates the MAJORITY of the country -- women -- 52%. Minority rule is fascist.

Gender war was the first war on the planet, and it will be the last war.

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 02:51 AM

9. In law school the example was a person being attached to a famous musician

I think it was a violinist. The example our law professor gave us was that this was a world-renowned musician and you had to carry him attached to you for a year, so that he could live using your kidneys until a kidney donor could be found.

The male law students were aghast. "What makes his life more important than mine?"

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Response to EveHammond13 (Original post)

Wed May 15, 2019, 03:06 AM

10. K & R

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