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Tue May 14, 2019, 06:50 PM

In thumping the drums for war with Iran, has no one told Trump that military recruiting levels are

perilously low?

What's he going to fight a war with? Clone troopers? Cardboard cutouts? Shadow puppets? Jared and Ivanka?

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Reply In thumping the drums for war with Iran, has no one told Trump that military recruiting levels are (Original post)
Aristus Tuesday OP
The Velveteen Ocelot Tuesday #1
Tiggeroshii Tuesday #2
SoCalNative Tuesday #3
Aristus Tuesday #5
Strelnikov_ Tuesday #11
cynatnite Tuesday #4
Aristus Tuesday #7
cynatnite Tuesday #8
delisen Tuesday #16
Xolodno Tuesday #10
Strelnikov_ Tuesday #12
Strelnikov_ Tuesday #13
hack89 Tuesday #15
hack89 Tuesday #14
cynatnite Tuesday #17
hack89 Tuesday #18
EX500rider Tuesday #20
safeinOhio Tuesday #6
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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 06:52 PM

1. He can waddle his fat orange ass over there and fight them himself,

armed with a nine-iron and a sack of soggy hamberders.

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 06:52 PM

2. Guardsmen and Reserve

Just like last time

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 07:00 PM

3. Probably re institute the draft

gotta have cannon fodder! maybe his supporters can be the first few waves.

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #3)

Tue May 14, 2019, 07:06 PM

5. It's been said since at least the run-up to the Iraq War that re-instituting the draft would be

tantamount to political suicide. Americans love war; they just don't want to have to 'do their bit'. They're fine having someone else's sons and daughters risk their lives while they themselves get a Fox News wargasm.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #5)

Tue May 14, 2019, 07:21 PM

11. Thanks to Vietnam, this post has already been put to music

(personally, I like the taxman line . . same as it ever was)



Some folks are born
Made to wave the flag
Ooh, they're red, white and blue
And when the band plays
"Hail to the Chief"
Ooh, they point the cannon at you, Lord

It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no senator's son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate one, no

Some folks are born
Silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves? Yoh!
But when the taxman
Comes to the door
Lord, the house look a like a rummage sale, yeah


It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no millionaire's son, no, no
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate one, no

Yeah, some folks inherit
Star-spangled eyes
Ooh, they send you down to war, Lord
And when you ask 'em
"How much should we give?"
Ooh, they only answer, "More, more, more" yoh!

It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no military son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate one, one

It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate one, no, no, no
It ain't me, it ain't me
I ain't no fortunate son, no, no, no


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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 07:04 PM

4. Iran has a military force of nearly a million...

Between their army, navy and air force, they have the capability of pretty much overrunning our troops. We do not have the military capabilities to wage any kind of ground war with Iran. Even an extensive bombing campaign wouldn't do nearly the damage.

Bolton wants regime change and tRump stopped short of saying that.

120,000 troops is no where near enough. The US does not have the troop levels to wage the kind of war they want.

It'll be far worse than Iraq ever was on it's worst day.

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #4)

Tue May 14, 2019, 07:09 PM

7. I agree.

Iran is also three times the size of Iraq, and largely mountainous. These features could sustain an insurgency the hapless Iraqis could only dream of.

Another liability in an invasion is that ground troops would have to jump off either in Iraq or Afghanistan, and neither country would be cooperative in such a scenario. The alternative is an amphibious invasion, which carries so many risks, it would be sheer folly to attempt. (But since a fool is in charge, that will almost certainly be overlooked...)

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Response to Aristus (Reply #7)

Tue May 14, 2019, 07:13 PM

8. A fool in charge and a hawk in his ear...

This has disaster written all over it. A bombing sortie could be a treacherous idea.

The Iran Nuclear agreement was to prevent this kind of shit.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #7)

Tue May 14, 2019, 07:40 PM

16. Russia will surely be a factor. nt

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #4)

Tue May 14, 2019, 07:19 PM

10. Lets drop another shoe....

...Iran will get near limitless support from Russia....despite being centuries old adversaries. Russia want's to know if their military hardware is up to their expectations....and Iran is more than willing to take free military hardware against a super power.

This won't be Iraq with a dictator that managed to piss the whole world off with 1960's equipment. Nor is Iran fractured like Iraq where you had essentially three countries. Iranians may not like their leadership...but the despise the US even more.

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Response to Xolodno (Reply #10)

Tue May 14, 2019, 07:28 PM

12. Also, the longer the Gulf is in turmoil, the longer petroleum and (export) natural gas

prices will stay sky-high.

The worlds No. 2 exporter will vault to No. 1

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Response to Xolodno (Reply #10)

Tue May 14, 2019, 07:34 PM

13. Along your lines, let's remember what Iran trained Hezbollah did in Lebanon 2006


Using Iranian supplied anti-tank missiles, and Iranian training developed from observing our weaknesses in Iraq, they fought the Israeli armor to an (effective) stalemate.





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Response to Xolodno (Reply #10)

Tue May 14, 2019, 07:37 PM

15. Iraq's military was much more capable than Iran's is

The Iranian military is hopelessly antiquated.

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #4)

Tue May 14, 2019, 07:35 PM

14. No. Iran would be a push over

With the caveat that I am not talking about us invading Iran. We can muster such overwhelming firepower that it would be suicide for them to mass their troops. Their military is poorly equipped with ancient equipment that is poorly maintained.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #14)

Tue May 14, 2019, 08:00 PM

17. Their military is ranked 14th in the world according to GFP...

Their equipment is not as ancient and poorly maintained as you believe. It may not be brand new, but neither is the US's.

Iraq was supposed to a pushover, too.

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #17)

Tue May 14, 2019, 08:08 PM

18. The invasion of Iraq was a pushover

The capture of Baghdad by 3 divisions was a feat unprecedented in military history.

The occupation was a failure. But that was because there never was a military solution in the first place.

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #17)

Tue May 14, 2019, 08:10 PM

20. "Iraq was supposed to a pushover, too." Iraq's military was a pushover.

Their Sunni insurgency was not their military.
Iran's military would lose for the same reason's, mostly no way to maintain air superiority and several generations behind US equipment and tactical doctrine. They could have a successful insurgency of course. Although the Iraqi insurgency wasn't successful in that they did not take back the country from the Shia majority.

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 07:08 PM

6. See a lot of ads on tv

for the Navy and other branches.

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 07:14 PM

9. DoD can recall Bannon (Navy) and Bolton (MD Natl Guard)

for starters.

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Tue May 14, 2019, 08:09 PM

19. Iran might be happy to test out Russian anti aircraft carrier technology.

Aircraft carriers are the 21st century version of the Maginot Line.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line

No sane person wants to see that shit go down.


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