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Wed May 8, 2019, 03:03 PM

Ohio man raped 11-year-old who is now pregnant; new law may force her to give birth

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Police said Juan Leon-Gomez, 26, of Massillon, was arrested Wednesday after a mother reported that her daughter was missing.

The suspect’s roommate allowed police to search their home after the girl’s mother filed a missing person report, police said. When cops entered the residence, the 11-year-old was found in an upstairs bedroom closet.
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Ohio’s new “heartbeat bill” means that the 11-year-old girl will likely be forced to carry the child to birth, regardless of the fact that she was raped.

According to NPR, the “Human Rights Protection Act,” as the heartbeat bill was renamed, bans abortions as early as five or six weeks, before many women even know they’re pregnant. It adds criminal penalties for doctors who violate the law, and does not include exceptions for cases of rape or incest.

https://buckeyestate.news/2019/05/03/police-ohio-man-raped-11-year-old-who-is-now-pregnant/?fbclid=IwAR1ToIgXjOZTSMS5Npsc6BK5CCw8jUckktn3WsC-BJPgXcdIe-AibV56WOI

Someone may be able to file a suit against the law; but it's possible someone will try to force the 11 year old, who would be at far-heightened risk of medical problems or even death from giving birth so young, to continue with the pregnancy

Via Wonkette.

EXCEPT: as Ms. Toad points out below, the bill, although signed by the governor, shouldn't go into effect until July 11 (see eg http://www.denisonian.com/2019/04/news/heartbeat-bill-signed-by-ohio-governor-mike-dewine/), which gives time both for an abortion now (assuming her parents will opt for that, which they ought to for their daughter's health, both physical and mental), and for a general legal challenge to the law (which you would hope would suspend it).

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:06 PM

1. What is the abortion law in Ohio?

1st trimester, heart beat law or late term?

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Response to at140 (Reply #1)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:10 PM

5. heart beat, now (nt)

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #5)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:17 PM

8. That is not good for the 11 year old girl

if there is already heartbeat in the fetus. I thought Ohio is a purple state. How did they pass such strict abortion law?

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Response to at140 (Reply #8)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:29 PM

13. gerrymandered districts

and zealots

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:09 PM

2. Ask Jim mf Jordan...

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:09 PM

3. Go to Michigan

Go across state lines and get it done. And soon. The sooner, the better.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #3)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:49 PM

20. Some folks are saying conspiracy to murder may be applicable if she goes out of state.


I haven't seen a lawyer vet that but I think a lot of people are assuming one can go out of state for such a medical procedure and avoid legal consequences.

It's just horrible.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #20)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:08 PM

30. You can

States have to respect each others laws. You can't convict someone for doing something legal in another state.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #30)

Wed May 8, 2019, 05:04 PM

50. I think that's why it would conspiracy to murder and not murder


If she plans the out-of-state abortion inside the Anti-abortion state, it might be a conspiracy.

Again, I'm no lawyer.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #50)

Wed May 8, 2019, 05:10 PM

52. They can try

They ultimately will fail.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #3)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:13 PM

31. The law may make that illegal. Remember the Mann Act of 1910?

The problem with "no exceptions" laws like this is they are extremely cruel, and are all over the place now, driven by fanaticism and stupidity in equal measure. Roe v Wade is very much under siege as these local laws work their way up to the SCOTUS.

Simply forcing clinics closed statewide falls most heavily on the most vulnerable: the poor, the abused, those with no transportation or childcare. Little girls. How can they cross state lines?


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Response to Hekate (Reply #31)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:16 PM

32. ACLU

The states will ultimately lose on this point and I suspect both the ACLU and Planned Parenthood would probably support this.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #32)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:32 PM

37. PP continues to fight the good fight & always will.But their clinics are forced to become fortresses

...in places where they have been burned out, bombed out, and credible threats levied against and carried out against patients, doctors, nurses, and anyone associated with them, including their families.

You want yourself or your schoolchild doxxed because you are a PP clinic nurse or secretary? Yeah, that's the level of terrorism we have been dealing with for 30 years. It has never stopped, it is not treated as domestic terrorism, and it is ramping up.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #32)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:33 PM

38. Just one more question: how will any of that help this little girl in time?

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Response to Hekate (Reply #38)

Wed May 8, 2019, 05:09 PM

51. Do it now

Trail to follow.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:09 PM

4. This is So Intentionally Cruel and Ugly

The religious zealots and their political counterparts are determined to ruin this child's life in the name of their special brand of fascism.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:11 PM

6. That can kill her

Our bodies are not made to have children that young and if she doesn’t die she may never be able to have more.

Her parents should immediately move her out of state where she can get help!

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:11 PM

7. What pro lifer is going to step up and raise this baby?

And pay for their healthcare, taxes, and all of the other life expenses? Huh?

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Response to Initech (Reply #7)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:41 PM

39. you know the answer to that....

NOT A SINGLE FUCKING ONE.

It's NEVER about so-called "pro-life", it's all about FORCED BIRTH and the treatment of women as property. It's all right their in their holy books....

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #39)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:44 PM

40. George Carlin called it back in the 90's.

They are not pro-life, they are anti-woman!

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:19 PM

9. Expect all sorts of Christian Fascists laws to be pushed....

.... the Nazi buybull thumpers know their days are numbered so they will rapidly enact hyper Christian Theocratic laws before the roof caves in and the bottom falls out of the trDump admin.

Achtung Jesus !

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:20 PM

10. This is especially cruel.

DeWine and his state cronies ought to be ashamed of themselves. They certainly disgust me. Misogynists, all.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:22 PM

11. If this keeps spreading, they'll have to create camps in

states that don't have such restrictions. Parents will send their pregnant children there, where a safe, legal termination of the pregnancy will be done. I'm not joking about this, either.

We're coming toward a time when some states are going to make it actually impossible to obtain an abortion, especially if the courts don't strike down these "heartbeat" and other such laws.

"Where were you last week, Becky?"
"At camp."
"Oh. How was it?"
"A relief."

I was a teenager in the early 1960s. A couple of girls in my class went off to stay with their "aunt" for a few months, and then came back. A couple of others got married at 16. A couple more had abortions from the one doctor in town who would sometimes perform them under certain circumstances. Getting pregnant or getting someone pregnant was a huge worry then. Some kids just didn't have sex. Others did their best to avoid that outcome. A few managed to get pregnant anyhow. It was a tense time to be in high school, in that regard. Truly.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #11)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:27 PM

12. Or at the very least

an Underground Railroad.

Remind me again we are having this conversation in the year 2019.

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #12)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:37 PM

16. It's outrageous that things are slipping backwards.

People don't remember the past. Those of us who lived before contraception was easy to obtain and when abortion was against the law are all old folks now.

When I was in High School, it was impossible for anyone under 21 to buy condoms, for example. They were only sold in the pharmacy and it was illegal to sell them to anyone under 21. The birth control pill wasn't available until I was in college, and for a couple of years, doctors wouldn't prescribe it for unmarried women.

The Student health center gave out condoms free in a big fishbowl, and the docs there did prescribe the pill.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #16)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:49 PM

41. Those were the days, my friends. My HS boyfriend's best friend had to get married...

...his first year in college. As a consequence my boyfriend was a dedicated celibate -- which was okay with me because so was I. We were 16 - 17 years old. His best friend was only a year older. I knew about contraception, and so did my boyfriend. Contraception was not available to us.



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Response to Hekate (Reply #41)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:55 PM

48. Some of us took more risks, but very carefully.

I had a friend who was over 21, too. Mostly, though, we creatively avoided activities that could lead to conception.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #16)

Wed May 8, 2019, 08:35 PM

68. Twenty years ago when my boys were teenagers I brought home a bag full of condoms.

I had a friend who worked at the Health Department and had access to the bulk supplies. I brought home probably 50 condoms and told them to share with their friends. I don't know if that made me the best, coolest Mom to all of them or my homemade doughnuts.



All I know is that there were no STD's or surprise pregnancy's.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #11)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:31 PM

14. Going to be like divorce way back when when people had to go to Vegas

to get one more easily.

But those were adults.

These bills are not Pro-Life, they are Pro-Forced Birth.

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Response to elfin (Reply #14)

Wed May 8, 2019, 05:21 PM

53. I remember when NY State's only grounds for divorce was adultery.

The way to circumvent that was to set up a phony hotel "raid," where one party would be caught in the act with a "lover" and would thereby be eligible for divorce.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #11)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:43 PM

18. The new law in Georgia

Criminalizes travelling to states where abortion (edited to add abortion after the heartbeat can be detected) is legal to have an abortion

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Response to d_r (Reply #18)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:50 PM

21. That part, at least will be thrown out. It violates the freedom to travel, which

is a federal thing. They can't put a restriction like that in the law.

Frankly, I think the whole Georgia law will be ruled unconstitutional, but that will take some time.

But, they can't restrict people's travel that way. Can't be done.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #21)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:56 PM

22. I would like to agree with you

But history shows that they can do a lot of s*** that they shouldn't be able to do.

Supposably they can charge people with conspiracy planning an out-of-state trip or aiding.

Honestly I don't think it'll ever come to that happening either but the truth is there's a lot of stuff going on that I didn't think was ever going to come to that

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Response to d_r (Reply #22)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:59 PM

23. We're going to have to wait and see how the challenges to these laws

do in court. If I lived in such a state, I'd be planning to move to a different state, though. No question about it.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #23)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:00 PM

25. Right

I don't want anyone to have to be the one that tested in court nobody should have to be that person

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #11)

Wed May 8, 2019, 05:57 PM

57. +1

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:34 PM

15. First, lock that beast rapist up and throw away the key ...

it wpuld be unnecessary cruelty to make that child go through the pregnancy. How could anyone be ok with that.

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Response to CatMor (Reply #15)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:00 PM

24. Child molesters are at the bottom of the prison pecking order.

He'll be lucky to make it through his first year alive.

Unless, of course, he gets a judge who believes the little girl brought it on herself by wearing shorts. It happens.

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #24)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:25 PM

36. I wouldn't shed a tear if he didn't make it through his first year.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:42 PM

17. So if this child were to die

During delivery would he then be charged with murder? Her death would be a result of his crime

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #17)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:06 PM

28. No

They would just enjoy the fuck out of her death.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #17)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:17 PM

33. Also, under the new law, a woman who miscarries could be liable for second-degree murder

Under the new law, a woman who miscarries could be liable for second-degree murder. If prosecutors can prove that she is somehow responsible, she can be imprisoned for 30 years.

And yes... if a state resident plans to travel elsewhere to obtain an abortion, she may be charged with conspiracy to commit murder, punishable by 10 years’ imprisonment. An individual who helps a woman plan her trip to get an out-of-state abortion, or transports her to the clinic, may also be charged with conspiracy.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 03:47 PM

19. The little girl is in a VERY risky pregnancy that threatens her life and health. But hey...

...the future of the zygote is more important.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:01 PM

26. It's more satisfying for extremist Religious types (Republicans)

If the sinful gestational creature suffers or even dies in childbirth, rape doesn't play into it since if a woman (or female child) is really raped her body "will shut all that stuff down" don't ya know.



Jerry Fallwell deserves his dick-pic to be first up for every google search on any topic. He is just one of the worst of many of these monsters.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:02 PM

27. All women who fall under this reprehensable law

should be able to get child support from their attackers.

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Response to nykym (Reply #27)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:52 PM

46. Very funny

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:07 PM

29. Remember, whenever the health (even life) of the mother comes up...

...the zealots use air quotes and use a tone of voice commonly heard in 70s-80s vigilante movies when talking about someone who "got off on a technicality".

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Response to JHB (Reply #29)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:19 PM

34. Remember the good old phrase "She got herself pregnant?"

That one used to really set me off when I was in high school in the 1960s. I chewed out some gossipy boys once by saying sarcastically, "You think she did this by herself?!"

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Response to Hekate (Reply #34)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:22 PM

35. Oh, I remember that, too.

The same boys were the ones who bragged about "getting laid," even though most of them weren't. Ugh!

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:49 PM

42. Can she raise some funds,

and she and a family member go visit Paris?

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Response to Corgigal (Reply #42)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:51 PM

45. She is 11 years old. What do you think?

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:50 PM

43. Yelling NO. These right wingers shouldn't be allowed to run this girl's life

Damn it, she was raped. Enough is Enough

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:51 PM

44. Thus is utter nonsense.

The law does not take effect until July 11 (assuming challenges to permanently scuttle it are unsuccessful).

The failure to check such basic information as the effective date of a recently signed bill is irresponsible journalism, as is failing to consult an attorney regarding their interpretation of the law (which would have resulted in being alerted to the effective date).

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #44)

Wed May 8, 2019, 07:22 PM

66. Thanks - I've added something about that to the OP (nt)

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #66)

Wed May 8, 2019, 07:59 PM

67. I sent a note to the media outlet. n/t

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 04:55 PM

47. Depending on her body size, delivering a baby could do an 11yo permanent physical harm.

Not to mention the psychological harm.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 05:04 PM

49. the pro-fetus shit is sharia. talibornagain. RAPE, INCEST + LIFE

of the WOMAN, NOT INCUBATOR MATTERS.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 05:25 PM

54. So, are the Ohio judges people or monsters beholden to their party over the life over a child?

So, are they humans or repug revenants who would let this child die for their beliefs? If they are repugs, they are probably willing to kill the child and won't give a damn. Hope ACLU appeals immediately if that's whats happens and maybe she can be saved.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 05:26 PM

55. This is so maddening. Anyone could have predicted this scenario.

That 11-year old should go to the governor's office and visit him in person. With the press there.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 05:43 PM

56. I'm going to take a wild stab here

That useless fucking state will probably allow Leon-Gomez to retain his parental rights...because, as everyone knows, it would be unfair to take away his right to be a daddy to his child. Which will mean for the next twenty years, the now-11-year-old will have to go out to the state prison every week and face her rapist for three hours.

And that, my friends, would be the textbook definition of an atrocity.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 05:58 PM

58. FFS! She is an 11 year old child!

She was raped by a predator. This could severely physically harm or even kill her, not to mention the psychological damage it will do. What a horrible thing to put a young girl through. What on earth is wrong with these people.

I really hope she gets some pro-bono legal representation, because this sick, misogynist ruling could destroy this little girl's life. She did nothing wrong. Why should she have to pay the price?

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 06:07 PM

59. Christian Taliban is in control of women's bodies in several states these days. Stupid.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 06:17 PM

60. I hope her family can move out of Ohio.

Their horrible law will cause this girl to be tied to her rapist for the rest of her life.

If they force the rapist to provide child support, then she may have to see him for visitation if she doesn't have another person to take the child.

Goddammit.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 06:32 PM

61. Not to make her a pawn, but...

If this girl is forced to carry and birth that chole, this will be a powerful weapon for us on the upcoming elections.

The political adds write themselves

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #61)

Wed May 8, 2019, 06:47 PM

62. Weaponizing Children?

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Response to irisblue (Reply #62)

Wed May 8, 2019, 07:07 PM

64. Not really, but if they do it to her

We are stupid if we don't show the outcome. It's not weaponizing, it's telling the truth.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed May 8, 2019, 07:00 PM

63. And a current darling of the gop, is proposing worse stuff

source--twitterfeed of Dr.Daniel Grossman is an American obstetrician, gynecologist, and medical researcher. He is a professor in the Department of Obstetrics, Gynecology & Reproductive Sciences at the University of California, San Francisco, where he is also the director of the collaborative research group Advancing New Standards in Reproductive Health (ANSIRH) his Wiki page

This MD knows of what he speaks.

Threadreader app-Hi @BeckerGOP, I’m a practicing ob-gyn and researcher on abortion and contraception, and thought you might want some help understanding ectopic pregnancy since your bill (HB182) gets some things wrong. I’ll clear up a few things in this thread.



An ectopic pregnancy occurs when the pregnancy implants outside of the uterus, most commonly in the Fallopian tube (that’s the little tube that carries the egg from the ovary to the uterus). Rarely the ectopic pregnancy can develop somewhere else like the cervix or the abdomen.
Somewhere between 1-3% of pregnancies are ectopic. Based on that, I estimate that at least 2,000 Ohio women have an ectopic pregnancy each year.


Unfortunately, ectopic pregnancies cannot continue to a ive birth. If untreated, as a pregnancy grows, the Fallopian tube (where 96% of ectopics develop) gets stretched to the point of rupture & can cause massive bleeding. 4% of maternal deaths are related to ectopic pregnancy.


Luckily, there is treatment for ectopic pregnancy, including medication & surgery. This treatment is very effective & allows women to retain fertility so they can get pregnant in the future if they want. I was concerned to see HB182 removes insurance coverage for this treatment.
Unfortunately, an ectopic pregnancy cannot be “reimplanted” into the uterus. We just don’t have the technology. So I would suggest removing this from your bill, since it’s pure science fiction.


Your bill is dangerous on many levels, @BeckerGOP, since it creates even more obstacles for patients seeking safe abortion—especially for women of color and those with low incomes.
While we’re in the middle of a maternal mortality crisis, it is unconscionable to consider placing obstacles in the way of treatment for ectopic pregnancy. Thanks for listening, @BeckerGOP, and feel free to reach out if you have more questions!


Info about the gop-er proposed law in part 2



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Wed May 8, 2019, 07:08 PM

65. A proposed Ohio GOP law is more horrific

Ohio Legislature Considering An Abortion Bill That Is More Restrictive Than The "Heartbeat Bill"
By JO INGLES • MAY 7, 2019

snip--..."One fifth of the representatives in the House have signed on to a bill sponsored by Republican John Becker that would prohibit most insurance companies from offering coverage for abortion services.

“The intent is to save lives and reduce the cost of employers and employees health care insurance," Becker says.

The bill would ban nontherapeutic abortions that include "drugs or devices used to prevent the implantation of a fertilized ovum.”

And Becker says the bill also speaks to coverage of ectopic or tubal pregnancies where the fertilized egg attaches outside of the womb.

“Part of that treatment would be removing that embryo from the fallopian tube and reinserting it in the uterus so that is defined as not an abortion under this bill," Becker explains."

snip..."Becker insists his bill does not target birth control.

“When you get into the contraception and abortifacients, that’s clearly not my area of expertise but I suppose, if it were true that what we typically known as the pill would be classified as an abortifacient, then I would imagine the drug manufacturers would reformulate it so it’s no longer an abortifacient and is strictly a contraceptive," Becker says."


Much more info online about this proposed law.

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Sat May 11, 2019, 02:15 PM

69. I see outrage here, but where are all our elected reps on this? Where are the candidates?

I'd like to vote for the ones who are similarly outraged.

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