Ron Paul is addressing audience at RNC in Tampa on C-Span1 NOW!!

[99th_Monkey]

I can't help think lots of RP supporters will vote Democratic,
but it cuts both ways.

Right now he's standing up for Bradley Manning and Julian Assange.

Trippy.

[malaise]

1. Watching

I can't wait for the RMoney faction to fight with the Paulbots.

[rurallib]

2. I can't imagine Ron Paul supporters would vote for a democrat

I would think that they will probably sit the election out or vote libertarian.

[Viva_Daddy]

3. Ron Paul may have a few crackpot ideas but he also has a lot of GOOD ideas.

[malaise]

4. It's the other way around

He has loads of crackpots ideas and one or two good ones

[former-republican]

7. Is there one foreign policy idea you think is crackpot?

He's not an isolationist so please don't use that tired line.

[Bjorn Against]

12. He believes the United Nations is going to seize everyone's guns and ban Christianity

I wish I was making that up but there is video of him saying this, he may be right on a couple of issues but when it comes to anything outside those couple of issues he is a total nutjob.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2011/12/ron-paul-movie-john-birch-society

[former-republican]

17. I'm not a big fan of the U.N either

On the other hand as to his foreign policy stance it is right...

Don't misunderstand my support of his views
I don't support his domestic views of total free markets , ending medicare and social security dept of education.
I do support his view of down sizing our military.
It's actually too many things I would have to list that I'm opposed on when I talk about Ron Pauls domestic policy.

But if more Democrats on the hill supported his foreign policy stances ( Including President Obama )

Our Party would be better off. Instead we side with most Republicans .

wrong move

[Bjorn Against]

20. So are you saying the stances expressed in the link I provided are right?

I link to a site which contains video of Ron Paul saying the UN is trying to ban Christian worship and you respond by saying his foreign policy stance is right?

I agree with Ron Paul on ending the wars and cutting back the military budget, but foreign policy is about more than war it is also about trade policy. You say you don't support his "domestic views of total free markets" without realizing that trade policy is not domestic policy it is foreign policy. Face it Ron Paul is wrong on most foreign policy that does not involve military.

[former-republican]

21. I should have said is his total free markets on domestic health care ? hope that clarifies it .

Not a supporter of it.

On the other hand.


A tariff war is a losing proposition for both countries .


You know that already.

[Bjorn Against]

22. Tariffs are good, they would keep jobs in the US and slow the race to the bottom

There is no reason we should support a system that favors Chinese sweatshop jobs over good paying factory jobs.

You still have not answered my question however, do you think the foreign policy views expressed by Ron Paul at the link I provided are correct?

[former-republican]

23. You think magically US corporations would move their

manufacturing plants back here if tariffs were enacted?
I don't know if you are being serious about that .

You seem to think they moved for just employee wages.
It was EPA standards , health care costs , taxes , etc

Factory jobs are never coming back here.

If you think middle class workers should pay double or tripple the cost for goods in Walmart and a host of other places.

Support tariffs

[Bjorn Against]

25. I never said they moved "just for employee wages", but you still are avoiding my question

[former-republican]

26. I'm not avoiding any question

I don't care what he said about the UN

I don't know if it's true or not. If you want me to watch the link I will?

then what

[Bjorn Against]

27. You asked to name one crackpot foreign policy idea, I named one and I want to know if you agree

It looks pretty bad when you keep defending his entire foreign policy platform when his views on the UN are clearly batshit crazy.

[former-republican]

28. What's bat shit crazy is having Iran , Egypt , China , Indonesia

and a bunch of other Obvious abusers of human rights ON the United Nations human rights council.

I find it funny you think the UN is some type of righteous organization .

[Ikonoklast]

29. And those countries rightfully say the same things about us.

That is *not* batshit crazy, they have a valid point.

Look at our prison population. and the stupid reasons many are incarcerated.

You are making the assumption that this country's legal system is righteous and everyone is treated equal, when the exact opposite is true.

[former-republican]

32. And what reason is most of our offenders in prison in the U.S ?

I'll give you a hint.....war on drugs

Ron Paul does not support the war on drugs.

[Bjorn Against]

30. Where the hell did I say the UN was a righteous organization?

It turns out that I have many problems with the UN, but I can be critical of the UN without holding the batshit crazy idea that they are trying to ban Christianity like Ron Paul believes.

[former-republican]

33. Dude I'm an atheist

So I try not to get into any religious debates .

[JDPriestly]

35. Tariffs or as an alternative VAT taxes are a good way to supplement the income tax and raise

revenues. Germany has VAT taxes. They impose the burden of providing welfare and social programs on all manufacturers not just on workers and companies manufacturing in Germany.

Tarrifs and or VAT taxes would be good ways to improve our revenues.

[former-republican]

37. Clever word for hidden tax

It passes the cost on to the consumer.
Right now incomes are the lowest for middle class workers.
Increasing the cost of goods for consumers is Not the answer to fix the economy.

Food prices are getting ready to take another sharp spike.
Gas is at close to $4.00 a gallon. We don't need to improve our revenues.
We need reduce over all government spending.

Lets get out of Afghanistan , cut the Pentagon budget , stop foreign aid.
Close some of our military bases over seas.

Then lets see where we stand.

This can be done . President Obama once reelected needs to move away from appeasement with the right.

[2pooped2pop]

39. let me just throw this in there too.

Do you think the Bush tax cuts for the rich should be extended?

Do you think Medicaid and welfare should be cut?

do you think we need more or less corporate regulations?

[former-republican]

40. The first thing I would like to see

Is Large cuts in the Pentagon budget.

You asked about Medicaid ? Every state handles it differently .


We should have a single payer health care system or better yet universal coverage.
If we had that we wouldn't need Medicaid for low income people.

Tax cuts for rich people? As long as there is enough money to pay for social programs needed.
I don't care if they are taxed at 20% , 30% ,35% or 40 %

First thing to do is lets cut government waste . I'm pretty sure you agree we have plenty of that.

On the subject of regulations for corporations? Are you asking about EPA regulations?
Are you asking about Banking , Wall street type stuff regulations ?

[JDPriestly]

42. I agree with cutting the military budget.

We have two choices. Raise the taxes on the wealthy or raise them on ourselves.

One advantage to value added taxes is that they help local manufacturing. The tax advantages that companies get by producing products outside the US disappear. That's why I advocate for sales or VATs.

Right now, the corporations that manufacture our products take their profits offshore to avoid US taxes. If we replaced some of the taxes on manufacturers with VATs, the costs to consumers would be the same. It is a way of equalizing the taxes on American-made and foreign-made goods. That's all. It would not necessarily result in higher taxes on Americans because taxes we now pay such as Social Security could be reduced. We would have a choice. It used to be that in some Middle European countries some of the money that paid for health insurance was taken from the VAT taxes.

[JaneyVee]

36. Its not like Ron Paul is the only one saying this. There PLENTY of Dems with the same position

The entire Liberal & Progressive caucus, not to mention MANY other Democrats. Fuck Ron Paul, he's a racist nut-job.

[former-republican]

38. No there's not plenty of Democrats supporting the same thing.

Or it would have happened already.

[nc4bo]

6. it's just where he's dead wrong that's as scary as shit. nt

[RZM]

5. I think that was a separate Paul event

At a different site a few miles from the actual convention. The Paulistas are having their own mini-convention in Tampa.

[99th_Monkey]

8. I think you are correct

because I saw that RP refused to bend his knees to Rmoney's demands,
that he unconditionally support Rmoney/Rayn, etc. and RP said fuck you.

[HooptieWagon]

34. Yes, RP was speaking at the Sundome.

Which is USF's basketball facility. There is a separate RP event at the Florida State Fairgrounds, about 10 miles east... but I don't think hes scheduled to make an appearance there.

[sadbear]

9. Fuck ALL republicans.

Ron Paul, too.

[former-republican]

13. The Reason we are entangled in never ending wars IS because Democrats support the same type of

Foreign policy

[nc4bo]

11. Stopped clock right twice a day. RP is the stopped clock.

I like to think of him as a modern Trojan Horse.

[CK_John]

14. Poor Ron hasn't figured out money is concept.

[Schema Thing]

16. yeah, that amazes me coming from him or any of his supporters....

but then again, while they are not as explicit as Ron Paul, isn't that the problem with most Republicans? They think that that dollar in their wallet is theirs, and theirs alone - that it does not represent anything but their own personal financial value obtained legally and therefor DESERVED by themselves. If one man owned 99.9% of the wealth of this nation, while everyone else lived in abject poverty, they would not think it fair for that one man's wealth to be subject to an estate tax.

[Fire Walk With Me]

15. The "Bad lip reading" segments are far easier to understand than any of his actual speeches.

[ananda]

18. Ron Paul is right about some things.

It's just that the things he is wrong about are SO wrong.

[MrMickeysMom]

19. Agree...

This discredits and confuses the things that he's right about, which is so close to the reform of the banking system that it's not even funny.

[Blanks]

24. Here's the thing with Ron Paul.

He opposes government. Which is good; if he is a part of the opposition party (it encourages debate on new government programs). Unfortunately since he is a member of the majority in the house; he's not opposing anything because they aren't doing anything.

It isn't a matter of whether he'd be a good president, he wouldn't because he is bat shit crazy, but even if he were president; he wouldn't accomplish anything because all he does is oppose stuff.

The issue is that he has enough supporters that the republicans should have more respect for him. As democrats, of course we don't support him, but this is an opportunity to beat up on the conservative owned media for not having any respect for Ron Paul.

That's why it makes sense to 'support' Ron Paul (in conversations with Ron Paul supporters) because it creates internal strife among republicans. So I think you should tell all of the Ron Paul supporters that the republicans aren't showing enough respect for Ron Paul. Even if they don't vote democrat at least they're a little pissed off at the republicans.

However, I think they're more likely to vote democrat if they're pissed off at the republican machine. Get people away from Fox News and hate radio for any length of time and they may be able to reason again.

[iamthebandfanman]

31. utopian nut

libertarianism = anarchy

id say his supporters just wont vote, if anything.

[Blanks]

41. Surely not all of them will stay home.

The thing is; there is the possibility that some Ron Paul supporters can be convinced that their enemy is Mitt Romney and the Romney machine that is the 'Bain owned' Rush Limbaugh, 'Bain owned' Glen Beck (by extension 'theblaze.com'), 'Bain owned' Hannity (by extension Fox News even though Hannity doesn't own Fox News).

The goal should be to convince Ron Paul supporters that even though we don't agree on everything; what we should be able to agree on is that Mitt Romney stole Ron Paul's voice in the republican party from them; therefore Mitt Romney bad.

There's bound to be room in the democratic party for Ron Paul supporters many are young, and some are small business owners. Many of them are just a little naive. With a little education and guidance; I believe that a lot of them can be brought over from the dark side. After all; the democrats are better for the young and small business owners than the republicans; that isn't hard to prove.

Post this video to YouTube and see how many of your libertarian friends are appalled that the 'Bain owned' republican party stole Maine and Iowa from Ron Paul.

Don't you think this is a good video to be passed around on Facebook in the week of the Republican National Convention?