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kentuck

(112,895 posts)
Mon May 6, 2019, 05:31 AM May 2019

Robert Mueller's words will carry more weight than William Barr's...

If he contradicts Barr's conclusions, it will be a very big story. That is why Donald Trump does not want him to testify. Because Mueller's words will be more important than those of Trump and/or Barr.

No doubt, Robert Mueller understands the gravity and historical significance of his testimony to the Congress. There is a lot of weight upon his shoulders but we will find out if he is willing to carry it. He could go down in history as a profile in courage or he could become just a footnote.

But, if the investigation cleared Donald Trump of collusion and obstruction, then the Mueller team would have said so. They did not. There was a load of evidence showing collusion and obstruction of justice. Bill Barr is not Moses. His conclusion was not written on a stone tablet. If it was indeed true, then Donald Trump would welcome the testimony of Robert Mueller. He would not try to prevent it.

After all, it was Robert Mueller that did the investigation. He knows more about his own investigation than Trump or Barr. The American people are likely to accept his version of events. The PR campaign of Trump will be greatly damaged if Robert Mueller contradicts AG William Barr.

Nothing scares Donald Trump more than the truth.

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Robert Mueller's words will carry more weight than William Barr's... (Original Post) kentuck May 2019 OP
Mueller testifying TEB May 2019 #1
K&R... spanone May 2019 #2
I'm waiting for people... N_E_1 for Tennis May 2019 #3
This illegitimate president duforsure May 2019 #4
Mueller should bring some of Scarsdale May 2019 #5
I'm surprised Barr hasn't rescinded his approval for Muller HAB911 May 2019 #6
if... myohmy2 May 2019 #7
The truth has finally tied its shoes.... kentuck May 2019 #8
it's always been about us stopdiggin May 2019 #11
You are correct in one respect... kentuck May 2019 #13
"roughly half" Chin music May 2019 #16
Oh, my god! jayschool2013 May 2019 #9
I'm betting Robert Mueller remembers and will honor his military oath. usaf-vet May 2019 #10
Now, our hope is that Mueller agrees with the 400+ prosecutors.... kentuck May 2019 #12
I've often thought that Mueller must feel a hefty obligation to save this world from further damage mtnsnake May 2019 #14
If he's a man who follows christ, he's MIA while millions of people suffer. Chin music May 2019 #17
Americans just want the truth. Corgigal May 2019 #15
Supposedly he's not typing now, he pays some schelp nearly 200k to fill in when he golfs and Chin music May 2019 #18
We just need to hope that Muller is not part of the buffoon's team Perseus May 2019 #19
Then he would be disagreeing with the 500+ prosecutors that have come out... kentuck May 2019 #20
"and said, if he were not the sitting President, there would be several felony charges.." Perseus May 2019 #21
They need to change the Special Counsel law when they win back the Senate... kentuck May 2019 #22
"We must respect the office" The Blue Flower May 2019 #23

N_E_1 for Tennis

(10,835 posts)
3. I'm waiting for people...
Mon May 6, 2019, 06:07 AM
May 2019

to start “disappearing”. Guess we’ll see how good Individual #1 is at being a wannabe dictator.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
4. This illegitimate president
Mon May 6, 2019, 06:33 AM
May 2019

Is terrified the truth will expose this, and Mueller represents the truth, and Barr and dt represent propaganda,and corruption, and organized criminal activities. They will be exposed and justice will prevail.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
5. Mueller should bring some of
Mon May 6, 2019, 06:39 AM
May 2019

his investigators along for the hearing. They can verify his statements. They actually worked on the investigations and know the truth. I remember someone with knowledge at the early part of this fiasco saying "He (meaning tRump) is going to prison" Right away they found corruption and wrongdoing. tRump is exposing himself when he tries to shut out anyone who is truthful and honest. Honest people WANT the truth to be exposed.

myohmy2

(3,572 posts)
7. if...
Mon May 6, 2019, 06:53 AM
May 2019

...we can't get to the truth and do something about it, think what that means for our future and how scary that will be...

...all our laws, Constitution, military/security apparatus, election system, honest elected officials everywhere will all have been defeated and rendered impotent by an adversarial foreign government with their hand-picked candidate and president sitting in our White House...

...nothing will stand between us and darkness...nothing will be there to defend us or save us from whatever they have planned for our future...we can do nothing...

...scary, very scary...

...

kentuck

(112,895 posts)
8. The truth has finally tied its shoes....
Mon May 6, 2019, 07:03 AM
May 2019

while the lies have gone around the world several times.

The PR and reality TV star's propaganda will meet its deserved fate.

stopdiggin

(12,936 posts)
11. it's always been about us
Mon May 6, 2019, 01:00 PM
May 2019

"...nothing will stand between us and darkness..."
It's up to us. But then, that's always been the case.

I disagree with you only in this respect, I think the greater danger to our republic has alway been from within. Looking back, roughly half the body politic (quite knowingly I might add) selected a man utterly devoid of decency, integrity, honor or morals (let alone qualifications for the office) to be the leader of a country that they profess to cherish and love. Let that sink in for a moment. This had nothing to do with some "foreign agent" manipulating or misleading. If you voted for this man (and many, many did) you got EXACTLY what you bargained for. Remember the rallies? This ugliness came straight from us, friend. This is what many Americans wished/wish for their country. We don't have to look outside ourselves ...

kentuck

(112,895 posts)
13. You are correct in one respect...
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:39 PM
May 2019

In my opinion, it could happen anywhere with a demagogue trained in media manipulation and propaganda and well-versed in PR and branding. Someone once said, there is a fool born every minute.

You could be right that there is greater damage under the surface, much like the times before the Great Civil War. But there were polls early in the Trump campaign, and even before with the Tea Party, they were primarily middle to middle upper class people. They were persuaded by emotions and demagogic language.

Chin music

(24,527 posts)
16. "roughly half"
Mon May 6, 2019, 06:18 PM
May 2019

naw. But the russians cyber hacking sure made you a believer. We are 2/3rds and a 1/3. We arent the enemy...oh yeah, welcome to DU.

jayschool2013

(2,472 posts)
9. Oh, my god!
Mon May 6, 2019, 07:52 AM
May 2019

"This is terrible. This is the end of my presidency. I'm fucked."

I just wanna hear that from Twitler's syphilitic orange pie hole.

usaf-vet

(6,979 posts)
10. I'm betting Robert Mueller remembers and will honor his military oath.
Mon May 6, 2019, 08:04 AM
May 2019

The oath to

"Support and Defend the CONSTITUTION against all enemies Foreign and Domestic".

IMO at this time in our history the foreign and domestic enemy is embodied in the same treasonous con man in the white house.

My money is on Mueller.

kentuck

(112,895 posts)
12. Now, our hope is that Mueller agrees with the 400+ prosecutors....
Mon May 6, 2019, 02:32 PM
May 2019

that came out today with a statement that if he had not been President, he would have been indicted for several felonies.

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
14. I've often thought that Mueller must feel a hefty obligation to save this world from further damage
Mon May 6, 2019, 03:07 PM
May 2019

from Trump. I can't imagine what he (Mueller) must be going through, knowing that Republicans are spinning his report in exactly the opposite manner it was meant to be delivered. I bet he can't wait to get up there on the stand in front of Congress.

Corgigal

(9,298 posts)
15. Americans just want the truth.
Mon May 6, 2019, 03:22 PM
May 2019

We've been hearing Trump lies for years, and most don't believe a thing he says or types.

As long as Mueller tells us the truth, we will deal with the rest.

Chin music

(24,527 posts)
18. Supposedly he's not typing now, he pays some schelp nearly 200k to fill in when he golfs and
Mon May 6, 2019, 06:22 PM
May 2019

sleeps, and to take the hit for him in the end. "I never typed that." etc.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
19. We just need to hope that Muller is not part of the buffoon's team
Mon May 6, 2019, 09:37 PM
May 2019

That would be devastating, as it was to find out that Rosestein was part of the "family".

kentuck

(112,895 posts)
20. Then he would be disagreeing with the 500+ prosecutors that have come out...
Tue May 7, 2019, 05:58 AM
May 2019

....and said, if he were not the sitting President, there would be several felony charges of obstruction of justice.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
21. "and said, if he were not the sitting President, there would be several felony charges.."
Tue May 7, 2019, 06:19 AM
May 2019
"if he were not the sitting President"

Which to me is a disgrace, it allows a crook, just like what we have in the WH today to be a legal crook. I have no idea why there is so much reverence to the presidency, its just a person who happens to hold a high executive position in government, nothing else.

The laws and opinions are wrong, if anything, a president should be more accountable than anyone else for his actions, if he is a crook the repercussions, because of his post, are more lethal to the country than if anyone else were doing it, he should be expected to act with excellence and punished when he/she is not.

This insane reverence to the presidency must change, it open the doors to extreme corruption.

kentuck

(112,895 posts)
22. They need to change the Special Counsel law when they win back the Senate...
Tue May 7, 2019, 06:23 AM
May 2019

...to permit the Special Counsel the power to indict, but with the approval of the Congress, with only the House needed for approval.

I can understand that there would be problems in permitting "one man or woman" the power to over-ride an election.

But the Special Counsel should be able to indict with the oversight of Congress, in my opinion.

The Blue Flower

(5,640 posts)
23. "We must respect the office"
Tue May 7, 2019, 09:14 AM
May 2019

I've been saying from the beginning that this statement is a crock. The puppet of a foreign power, corrupt in every way imaginable (and some unimaginable), has soiled the office so badly it will have to be disinfected. No respect is due. He is a citizen who cheated his way to the top. He is not worthy of the title of president.

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