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oldsoftie

(12,531 posts)
9. They're hardly "beauty contests" anymore. You should learn about what these women accomplish.
Sat May 4, 2019, 02:03 PM
May 2019

"Beauty" is only a small part of who wins. For example, Miss USA is a civil litigation attorney who received her law degree and MBA from Wake Forest University. I dont think she's under any pressure to enter the contest.

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
3. There used to be separate contests.
Sat May 4, 2019, 12:57 PM
May 2019

There was a Black Miss America, or maybe it was a Miss Black America, because being born and raised in America and being black apparently wasn't enough to allow a woman to be "Miss America".

There are a lot of people who have mixed feelings about pageants, but they really are about more than looks.

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
4. They may be about "more than looks" but they are still obviously in large part about looks.
Sat May 4, 2019, 01:14 PM
May 2019

It’s just that they’re good looking plus they have other positive qualities.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
5. I guess plain girls and women don't have those 'other' attributes.
Sat May 4, 2019, 01:30 PM
May 2019

Everyone knows that Playboy magazine is about more than sexualizing women too.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
6. Hey, my heart is pure since I only looked at Playboy to read the letters!
Sat May 4, 2019, 01:42 PM
May 2019

It's long been my opinion that ALL women are beautiful and I'm glad to see evidence that some other people feel the same way.

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
7. I was thinking exactly that.
Sat May 4, 2019, 01:57 PM
May 2019

The listing of the “playmates’” interests/hobbies is quite parallel.

JudyM

(29,233 posts)
12. Civil litigation, not civil rights.
Sat May 4, 2019, 03:38 PM
May 2019

Even so, it’s hardly a competition about who’s the smartest, the best attorney or MBA...

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
13. I was making a factual point.
Sat May 4, 2019, 06:31 PM
May 2019

I was not offering a ringing endorsement of the pageant concept or its place in modern society. I have seen pageants where the young women were not all, or even largely, striking. With the right make-up application, even "plain girls" can take on a glamorous facade.

And that is not exactly a ringing endorsement of cosmetics "culture". Speaking of which, every culture has its own ideas and standards about beauty. Symmetry of features is almost universally appreciated, because it indicates essential genetic health.

As for the notion that it is sexist to judge women on their looks-- the general idea of "attractiveness" goes beyond instinctive or conditioned breeding decisions and touches on the general sense of who and what people are drawn to--or attracted to, as it were.

It is natural and reasonable for people to gravitate towards those whom they consider attractive. The truly frightening concept is that ideas of beauty can be manipulated to the point where any derivation from a narrow norm pushes people into categories where they are devalued and offered no consideration as equal members of a society.

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