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Thu May 2, 2019, 11:04 PM

 

Why should any former WH official abide by what Trump allows or does not allow?

Neither Trump nor Barr abide by laws, traditions, requirements. Mueller should resign and then testify, and any other of the former Trump administration who wants to testify before Congress should do so.

Trump and Barr have set the stage for ignoring orders, laws and practices.

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Thu May 2, 2019, 11:19 PM

1. Where are the patriots?

 

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2019, 01:10 AM

2. If they are subpoena'ed, they should testify

I can't believe Don McGahn would risk a contempt charge for Trump.

Who knows though. Trump's got some weird thrall on his peons. But maybe it fades once they quit.

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Response to dawg day (Reply #2)

Fri May 3, 2019, 01:37 AM

4. No one has been jailed for contempt. That needs to change. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #4)

Fri May 3, 2019, 01:44 AM

6. But who will do the jailing? Trump controls the Executive Branch. What if he blocks enforcement?

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Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #6)

Fri May 3, 2019, 01:49 AM

8. Should we not even try? If it turns out Congress can't enforce subpoenas, we need to know now.

Because if that is the case, Trump has officially become dictator and we must take to the barricades.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #8)

Fri May 3, 2019, 03:20 AM

13. +1

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Response to Midnight Writer (Reply #6)

Fri May 3, 2019, 01:54 AM

9. The House has the ability to send people to jail for contempt.

I don't know how the House could arrest Barr, though, because he has armed bodyguards. If the House charges Barr with contempt the case will go to the Supreme Court.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-dems-ratchet-threats-include-fines-possible-jail-noncompliant-officials-n1000336


Jailing a witness held in contempt of Congress would be a drastic step that hasnít been used in more than 80 years. While a constitutional showdown between Congress and the administration is not new, it has evolved over the centuries.

The Supreme Court now sits where Congressí jail used to be. While members talk about fines, there is no record of a Congress actually fining those in contempt, moving it into uncharted territory.

Connolly said that a lack of congressional jail space doesnít impede their ability to imprison.

ďAs you know, we have jurisdiction over the District of Columbia, and they have a beautiful jail with plenty of room that I think that would be just perfect for these people to contemplate their actions and judgment,Ē Connolly said.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #9)

Fri May 3, 2019, 04:52 AM

14. Barr's body guards are federal employees who have sworn to uphold the Constitution.

They must comply with federal law and obey lawful orders of the House Sargeant-at-Arms. If the House Sergeant-at-Arms comes to arrest Barr, any federal body guards who try to physically block him or impede his actions are committing a crime. If they procede to block the arrest, then they are no longer federal officers but illegal private mercenaries.

Like I said, if it will come to that, we need to know now. Because if that is the case, we have devolved into an autocracy and we need to take to the barricades.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #14)

Fri May 3, 2019, 04:55 AM

15. As I understand it, they are employees of the Executive Branch, which will likely claim

that it has jurisdiction over William Barr. If the House can't even get papers out of Barr's office, it's hard for me to imagine it would be able to get Barr himself -- without the intervention of the courts.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #15)

Fri May 3, 2019, 04:58 AM

16. They are still federal employees, even if they work for the Executive Branch.

The reason we can't get papers out of the White House is that nobody's been held in contempt.

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2019, 01:21 AM

3. I agree...this is the time to come forward. You can trust the Democrats. nt

 

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2019, 01:43 AM

5. Mueller doesn't...

need to resign and screw up his remaining years. He's 74 years old, just retire, keep all your benefits, and go out with a very LARGE BANG by testifying against all these assholes. History would look kindly upon him.

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2019, 01:48 AM

7. I wonder if he's scaring them with the prospect of lawsuits because of

employment agreements he made them sign. He would lose any lawsuit like that ultimately, but it's expensive to fight a lawsuit in court, even if you're going to win in the long run.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #7)

Fri May 3, 2019, 02:04 AM

10. He cannot hold taxpayer-paid employees to any NDAs.

They work for us, not for him.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #10)

Fri May 3, 2019, 02:22 AM

12. Anyone can sue anyone for anything. And then you're stuck defending a lawsuit

Even if you know you'll win (like we did when a crazy person sued us) it is still a pain and could be costly.

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Fri May 3, 2019, 02:14 AM

11. Really why should any of us?

Itís obvious our leader doesnít believe in the rule of law, so why should we?

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