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Sun Apr 21, 2019, 10:12 PM

Inside The Mueller Report, This Man Found A Photo Of His Dad Being Used By Russians



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"When a redacted version of special counsel Robert Mueller's report on Russian interference in the 2016 election was released to the public and Congress this week, the effects of Russian influence efforts through social media became clearer.

Part of the information included in the report were examples of material that Russian trolls used, and one particular image stuck out to Ronnie Hipshire, a retired coal miner in West Virginia.

On Page 31 of the Mueller report, Hipshire saw a photo of his father, Lee, another coal miner who died of complications from black lung disease, on a poster for a "Miners for Trump" rally in Pennsylvania. The Russian troll farm called the Internet Research Agency had used the photo, without the family's permission, for a pro-Trump poster."

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"What I didn't like about seeing this on the Mueller report is them stealing my dad's picture and putting it on a Trump campaign rally," Hipshire said in an interview with NPR's All Things Considered. "My dad was one of the most staunch Democrats that you'll ever see in your life, and he never would have even thought about putting his face on something like that. It just was beyond me to see it."


https://www.npr.org/2019/04/21/715765240/inside-the-mueller-report-this-man-found-a-photo-of-his-dad-being-used-by-russia

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Reply Inside The Mueller Report, This Man Found A Photo Of His Dad Being Used By Russians (Original post)
Scurrilous Apr 21 OP
Blue Owl Apr 21 #1
mopinko Apr 21 #2
nini Apr 21 #3
Cracklin Charlie Apr 21 #4
TwilightZone Apr 22 #8
hughee99 Apr 22 #9
TwilightZone Apr 22 #10
Gidney N Cloyd Apr 22 #19
TwilightZone Apr 22 #21
muriel_volestrangler Apr 22 #15
TwilightZone Apr 22 #17
muriel_volestrangler Apr 22 #14
SMC22307 Apr 21 #5
SunSeeker Apr 21 #6
Corgigal Apr 21 #7
Generic Other Apr 22 #11
Generic Other Apr 22 #12
Generic Other Apr 22 #13
Scurrilous Apr 22 #20
grantcart Apr 22 #23
muriel_volestrangler Apr 22 #16
geardaddy Apr 22 #18
George II Apr 22 #22

Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 10:38 PM

1. K&R for exposure

Hope that family sues Red Don and his Russian goons...

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 10:41 PM

2. please sue. oh please sue.

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 10:45 PM

3. I'd be pissed too

If someone did that with an image of my dad I'd lose my stinking mind. My dad was like this guy's dad - hardcore Democrat on the right side of history.

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 11:06 PM

4. "Materials that Russian trolls used"

And it’s an official Trump/Pence rally poster?

How much evidence is needed?

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Response to Cracklin Charlie (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 12:00 AM

8. It doesn't appear to have been official.

From what I understand, official campaign docs have to have the "paid for by x" info on them, and it doesn't appear that this does.

I think they just made it look official with a hashtag and info on an actual campaign event, which would have been public info.

It's things like this that make me scoff at people (mostly right-wingers) who say that the Russian propaganda was obvious and everyone should have been able to tell what was Russian propaganda and what wasn't. Unless one knows the specifics (and I could be wrong about the disclaimer), it's not patently obvious.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 07:58 AM

9. I am truly concerned about the number of people in America

That made voting decisions based on internet memes and propaganda. How do you protect the lowest of the low information voters from themselves?

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Response to hughee99 (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 11:03 AM

10. Agreed.

Some of my acquaintances who I thought were intelligent and who are trained professionals (doctors, etc.) were sharing clearly-false memes on social media. It's a bit perplexing how they don't see through even obvious propaganda.

At least with this particular example, it looks reasonably legitimate. Not so with a lot of the stuff people I thought knew better were sharing.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 01:44 PM

19. BS quotes and memes get shared here on DU, too.

If you point something out and suggest that we should hold ourselves to higher standards you stand a 50/50 chance of being called a nitpicker or something. Whether they go on to repeat the bad info elsewhere, I don't know. I've always been amazed at the lengths some really bright and accomplished people will go to avoid admitting they messed up or were fooled.

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Response to Gidney N Cloyd (Reply #19)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 02:36 PM

21. Agreed.

I see that often here as well. The ability to see what we want to see doesn't apply only to the right, of course. It's human nature, but we really sure try to hold ourselves to better standards.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 11:51 AM

15. Not even an actual campaign event - see #14 (nt)

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 11:55 AM

17. Huh, interesting.

Thanks for the info. I just assumed (oops) that it was an actual event to make it seem legit.

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Response to Cracklin Charlie (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 11:50 AM

14. There wasn't any organised rally

Pittsburgh was among several Pennsylvania cities mentioned in the report. It cited a post that circulated on social media advertising “Miners For Trump” rallies in October 2016.

The rally in Pittsburgh was supposed to be held at Steel Plaza. Other rallies were scheduled in Philadelphia, Erie, Scranton and Harrisburg, but none ever took place.

The report says Russia created the ads and was behind the push to get people to attend.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2019/04/18/special-counsel-robert-mueller-report-released/

Tim McNulty, the spokesman for the city of Pittsburgh, said in an email that no applications for the rally were filed for the city, and that no permits were issued.

https://www.witf.org/news/2019/04/mueller-report-mentions-miners-for-trump-rally-in-pittsburgh.php

Whether anyone turned up at the time and places, and said "what's going on?" I've no idea. But the main purpose was just to get the target audience (and the point of these was they were targeted - so the people most likely to be able to debunk them probably never saw them - see https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212036627 ) to think there's a big "white working man's vote" for Trump. Whether Cambridge Analytica or other non-Russian groups were involved, I'd love to know.

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 11:38 PM

5. Damn this pisses me off for many reasons... Trump, Pence and fucking Russians primarily.

But that man had a rough career and died as a result of it and I have zero patience with Democrats/Liberals who trash miners to score political points.

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 11:45 PM

6. Sickening.

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 11:47 PM

7. Sad,

the family is a victim but republicans never care. Well, until it's them.

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 11:20 AM

11. Cyberwar is ugly

I think it is safe to call this guy's dad a victim as well. I will see if I can "fix" the poster with some hard photoshop truth. Be back.

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 11:28 AM

12. Look at the well-written English caption for this pic



"I am sounding so much the American now," types Ivan from his cubicle in St. Petersburg.

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 11:49 AM

13. Hey Scurrilous



I helped Mr. Trump "fix-it." Whaddya think?

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 02:15 PM

20. ...

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 09:44 PM

23. +2

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 11:53 AM

16. The real man:

Coal miner Lee Hipshire in 1976, shortly after emerging from a mine in Logan County, W.Va. at the end of his shift. At age 36, he had worked 26 years underground. A few years later, Lee took early retirement because of pneumoconiosis, or black lung disease. He died at 57.

https://www.npr.org/sections/pictureshow/2012/07/06/156386882/documenting-dirty-jobs-miners-at-work

I'm hoping that "at age 36, he had worked 26 years underground" is a mistake - were 10 year kids really working underground in 1950?

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 01:10 PM

18. There probably were kids working underground in 1950.

Definitely not legally. They probably worked "off the books."

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Response to Scurrilous (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 03:35 PM

22. I thought you were talking about donnie jr.

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