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Sat Apr 20, 2019, 09:51 AM

I believe that Barr stopped Mueller from issuing charging statements on Trump and company and ...

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... that Mueller and company also meant for their report to be turned over to Congress and
that Mueller's team wrote summaries of each chapter of the report that were to be given to
the public too. Barr is working to stop both Congress and the American people from seeing
what is really in the report.


One of the most highly redacted sections of the report had to do with Wikileaks. The Russians
along with the Trump campaign both used Wikileaks to sew lies, divisions, and spread information that
was stolen from Hillary and the DNC. Barr is a fixer for Trump and Company's work in the largest
crime in America's history.



20 Most Damaging Items From Mueller's Report

https://hillreporter.com/20-most-damaging-items-from-muellers-report-31869

1. The Trump campaign “expected it would benefit” from Russian hacking efforts.

4. Trump made a heretofore unknown attempt to get his former Attorney General to shut down the investigation.

8. Security contractor and former Blackwater CEO Erik Prince, the brother of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, financed efforts to obtain Hillary Clinton’s deleted emails.

17. Sections about the Trump campaign’s communications with Wikileaks are heavily redacted.

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Reply I believe that Barr stopped Mueller from issuing charging statements on Trump and company and ... (Original post)
Botany Apr 2019 OP
Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #1
SHRED Apr 2019 #2
Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #3
SHRED Apr 2019 #5
Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #6
edhopper Apr 2019 #28
Jakes Progress Apr 2019 #16
Bradical79 Apr 2019 #9
triron Apr 2019 #4
Botany Apr 2019 #7
triron Apr 2019 #13
UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #18
Botany Apr 2019 #19
UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #21
Blanks Apr 2019 #26
Ligyron Apr 2019 #23
SunSeeker Apr 2019 #8
triron Apr 2019 #14
RKP5637 Apr 2019 #10
FakeNoose Apr 2019 #22
Name removed Apr 2019 #11
Mr. Ected Apr 2019 #12
SunSeeker Apr 2019 #15
watrwefitinfor Apr 2019 #29
yaesu Apr 2019 #17
SweetieD Apr 2019 #20
triron Apr 2019 #24
jmowreader Apr 2019 #25
thegoose Apr 2019 #27
spanone Apr 2019 #30
Texin Apr 2019 #31
Botany Apr 2019 #32
Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #33

Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 09:52 AM

1. Investigation was squashed by Barr. No question.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 09:55 AM

2. Will Mueller testify to that?

 

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Response to SHRED (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 09:55 AM

3. Yes, soon.

At a MINIMUM there was going to be more indictments that were squashed.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 09:58 AM

5. I hope we hear this

 

You sound very confident.
I hope you are correct.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 09:59 AM

6. THe alternative is the end of our country, civil unrest maybe civil war.

So I have to assume there are one or two patriots in the GOP, one or two.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:10 PM

28. Will Mueller reveal it if asked?

Or sday...Not at liberty to discuss...

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Response to SHRED (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 10:58 AM

16. Depends on Mueller's true patriotism.

Will he put the country ahead of his historically republican position? Will he take the heat?

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 10:05 AM

9. Yeah, seems highly likely.

 

The timing with Barr being put in charge, and leaving a grand jury hanging, leads me to believe that Barr probably put an early end to this. Everything seemed to wrap up very abruptly. Or Mueller saw the writing on the wall and decided to wrap things up best he could while he still had his status as special counsel.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 09:58 AM

4. Yep. Treason happened.

No one, including Mueller, wanted to go there.
There are things the powers that be can't let the public know.

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Response to triron (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 10:03 AM

7. No Mueller & company have it all laid out in their report and Barr is working to stop the ...

... damning information from getting out. Manafort, Trump's campaign manager sent
polling data (advanced data analytics) to Russia in order for them to target certain swing
states so the election could be rigged for Trump.

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Response to Botany (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 10:41 AM

13. Then why did Mueller say that he "could not establish conspiracy"?

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Response to triron (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 11:05 AM

18. Because our laws are fucked regarding this. nt

 

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 11:09 AM

19. The you can not indict a sitting President is not a law but an opinion

n/t

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Response to Botany (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 11:16 AM

21. I mean meeting with foreign governments to receive dirt on your opponents. Apparently that is

 

A-OK...but if I walk down the street with a joint in my hand....THE HORROR!

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Response to Botany (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:03 PM

26. It's a justice department policy.

Mueller references it in the report.

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Response to triron (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 11:46 AM

23. Because all the Trump associates they interviewed either lied, took the 5th,

used advanced crypto in their notes and written communications , etc. He so stated in the report.

I also believe DOJ forbid Mueller to use certain avenues in his search for the truth. Mueller says as much in his report and also that there's more evidence out there.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 10:04 AM

8. Yep. That's basically the headline at the Washington Post right now.

How a legal dispute between Mueller and Barr drove the end of the special counsel’s probe https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/how-a-legal-dispute-between-mueller-and-barr-drove-the-end-of-the-trump-probe/2019/04/19/1781807e-623e-11e9-9ff2-abc984dc9eec_story.html

As a lawyer in private practice last year, Barr wrote a scathing memo critical of what he viewed as Mueller’s overly broad interpretation of a part of the federal law against obstruction, saying it was meant to be limited to very specific acts such as destruction of documents.

“It is inconceivable to me that the department could accept Mueller’s interpretation,” Barr wrote. “It is untenable as a matter of law and cannot provide a legitimate basis for interrogating the president.”

At the time, Mueller’s team was pressing for an interview with the president, and Barr’s memo argued forcefully that no interview was justified because of what he viewed as Mueller’s erroneous, overly broad view of the obstruction law.

In what is arguably the most technical and dense section of the report, Mueller’s team pushes back hard against such arguments, saying the law in question is broad and “captures corrupt conduct, other than document destruction, that has the natural tendency to obstruct contemplated as well as pending proceedings.”


So looks like Mueller punted to Congress on the obstruction question so that he would not be overruled by Barr. But Barr ended up overruling him anyway by concluding on his own there was no obstruction. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2305408

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 10:42 AM

14. Quite plausible.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 10:06 AM

10. Exactly what is going on!!! And, why would tRump say my presidency is F'ed if all

were above board. This, is an insidious and treacherous crew and should be treated as such by congress!

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #10)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 11:25 AM

22. Chump said that in private, to only a handful of people

Chump never thought his statement "I'm fucked" would ever be repeated outside the Oval Office.

Also when Chump said it, Mueller had only just been hired. James Comey was fired May 10th 2017, and on May 17th Jeff Sessions told Chump he was recusing himself. In the same meeting Sessions told Chump he had hired Mueller as the special investigator, and that's when Chump said "I'm fucked. It's the end of my presidency."

Sounds like an admission of guilt, wouldn't you say?

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Sat Apr 20, 2019, 10:17 AM

12. What about the 14 ongoing investigations - can Barr stop those as well?

We're concentrating our attention on Trump, the presidency, and the ineptitude of a DOJ ruling that hamstrung our special counsel. What about the dozens of other Trumpies that are not similarly protected? Will the hammer fall on them in due time? Or will they, too, skirt justice by stacking the playing field with cheaters, liars and thieves?

And what needs to happen to override the DOJ ruling?

What would have happened if Trump, indeed, shot someone dead in plain sight, on 5th Avenue? Would he still be protected by this inane internal ruling? Could the Senate still determine there wasn't enough there to impeach? What kind of country are we, anyway?

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Response to Mr. Ected (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 10:54 AM

15. Good questions. nt

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Response to Mr. Ected (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:13 PM

29. My question, too.

What's to stop Barr from firing all the federal attorneys in charge of those cases Mueller "farmed out"?

Does anyone else remember when Gonzales (Bush's AG) fired David Iglesias and a number other US attorneys all at the same time. Most if not all were handling (or refusing to open) cases involving democrats. (Edit to add most of the cases involved voter "fraud" issues.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismissal_of_U.S._attorneys_controversy

Caused quite a legal stir and an investigation but nothing much was ever done about it. I can remember hearings where Gonzales had to testify. It was all so disgusting. And we - progressives - did despair at the time.

This came shortly after the conviction of Gov. Siegelman. Here is a 2018 article by Iglesias with discussion that seems relevant now in some ways.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-fired-doj-department-justice-robert-mueller-trump-1112-story.html

Wat

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 11:03 AM

17. Barr shut the funds off, just life the temp AG said he would do before Barr was appointed

I believe Mueller was forced into ending the investigation premature.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 11:09 AM

20. I don't believe that. Mueller could have written that his report was unfinished.

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Response to SweetieD (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 11:54 AM

24. How do you know he wanted to do that but Barr disallowed that or deleted it?

Or perhaps Barr dissuaded Mueller in more subtle ways we may never know about?

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:00 PM

25. I have read maybe 50 pages of The Report

Even redacted it hangs Trump out to dry. The unredacted one must really be bad.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:05 PM

27. Barr has a long history of deceit

 

Reported on MSNBC today.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:14 PM

30. K&R...

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:48 PM

31. That's what I believe. Barr essentially told Mueller, "Good job, Bob, but I've got this now."

I think he removed Mueller and both Barr and Rosenstein decided to take this over and massage the report to obfuscate the most damning contents.

After reading much of this, one cannot take away anything less than the fact that the tRump "presidency" is a sham, a fraud and illegitimate, because he not only lost the popular vote, Putin's thugs rigged the electoral count in just a handful of key states, and that simple tinkering with the computer code to tabulate the results was enough to (barely) put him into office. [Yes, I know that the report doesn't speak to actual vote-rigging, but the Russians certainly had that capability.]

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Response to Texin (Reply #31)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 02:22 PM

32. Russia was into 39 states (now it is all 50) looking @ the hardware and software that controls ...

... the operations of both the voting machines and the central tabulators. Putin was not
there "just to have a look around."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections




Alexander Torshin sponsor of one Maria Butina looking @ one of our voting machines
in 2012.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 06:16 PM

33. As Jeremy Bash says:


Trump asked for assistance from Russia.

He got assistance from Russia.

He rewarded Russia by dropping sanctions.


Quid pro quo.

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