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SHRED

(28,136 posts)
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:11 PM Apr 2019

An under-educated television culture population

It's America's stupidity that will be our downfall.

The vast majority will roll their eyes at details.
They don't read.
They don't think critically.

I'm worried that the propaganda will override the truth revealed in investigations.
It's how he got in office.

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An under-educated television culture population (Original Post) SHRED Apr 2019 OP
+1000 Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #1
When we first attempted this democratic experiment, we were relatively better educated. lindysalsagal Apr 2019 #2
I know very little about pop culture SHRED Apr 2019 #3
I'm still stuck in the 1960s. trev Apr 2019 #13
I miss it also SHRED Apr 2019 #16
When it was the white men who were educated? n/t cynatnite Apr 2019 #5
And voted. The men who thought up this system were far, far better able to understand it than 90% lindysalsagal Apr 2019 #6
Oh, yeah, we couldn't vote then and slave life sucked. Got it. n/t cynatnite Apr 2019 #8
The Electoral College was to allow the informed to override the masses bigbrother05 Apr 2019 #7
It takes time to educate and move political cultures. Politicians like Pelosi know this. empedocles Apr 2019 #4
Once upon a time the American labor force voted for Democrats. SMC22307 Apr 2019 #9
Yes, but until Johnson trev Apr 2019 #17
You're entirely skipping over Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt... SMC22307 Apr 2019 #18
True. Didn't think about that.... trev Apr 2019 #20
When TV first was available Ferryboat Apr 2019 #10
Think Roman Empire. roamer65 Apr 2019 #11
Propagandists have caused this FiveGoodMen Apr 2019 #12
Low-Information voters Books_Tea_Alone Apr 2019 #14
All lies and jests moondust Apr 2019 #15
I remember looking at an old test my dad had to take in 8th grade. It was definitely college level. monmouth4 Apr 2019 #19
Idiocracy n/t AwakeAtLast Apr 2019 #21

lindysalsagal

(20,547 posts)
2. When we first attempted this democratic experiment, we were relatively better educated.
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:16 PM
Apr 2019

Now, our minds are addled with Big Brother, Dr. Phil, Housewives of Nobody Important ,and the Kardashians.

trev

(1,480 posts)
13. I'm still stuck in the 1960s.
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 01:35 PM
Apr 2019

I've never gotten into the smartphone/social media obsession of today's culture. I don't play video games. I read serious books and watch independent films.

I miss the Counterculture.

lindysalsagal

(20,547 posts)
6. And voted. The men who thought up this system were far, far better able to understand it than 90%
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:26 PM
Apr 2019

of the 21st century electorate.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
7. The Electoral College was to allow the informed to override the masses
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:28 PM
Apr 2019

The Electors were intended as single use officeholders to guard against populist hiccups.

The Voice of Reason has been replaced by The Voice, a 21st Century Fox Production.

BTW - have no clue which network airs The Voice.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
4. It takes time to educate and move political cultures. Politicians like Pelosi know this.
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:22 PM
Apr 2019

Look at what it took for the heroic, popular FDR to engage the American culture into WWII. FDR knew he needed a unified, aggressive public behind the war effort. Timing was so crucial. Pearl Harbor was the 'attention' getting turning point - of a long, much needed process.

Pelosi knows the time is not yet right. Yes, there is continuing damage and future great damage, [like Germany and Japan rampaging], but the good politicians work to win 'the big ones'.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
9. Once upon a time the American labor force voted for Democrats.
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:41 PM
Apr 2019

Many weren't "educated" beyond junior or senior high so I don't think it's so much an issue of "education." The Democratic Party delivered for them. Since, the Rust Belt has been destroyed and many switched allegiance. We're being killed by right-wing media funded by right-wing billionaires, prosperity gospel preachers, bought-and-paid-for GOPers, the NRA, etc. And many American voters believing that Democrats won't do anything for them. We've GOT to change that.

trev

(1,480 posts)
17. Yes, but until Johnson
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 01:55 PM
Apr 2019

the Democratic Party was the modern Republican Party. The Democratic Political Machines ran roughshod over the voters. The best known of these was New York's Tammany Hall in the 1920s.

We forget that it was the Civil Rights Act that turned the Democratic Party into what it is today. The Republicans merely transferred their tactics to the new regime.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
18. You're entirely skipping over Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt...
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:01 PM
Apr 2019

and the rise of the middle class.

trev

(1,480 posts)
20. True. Didn't think about that....
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:41 PM
Apr 2019

But the New Deal was not intended to create the middle class. It was an attempt to save the banks and create jobs. The subsequent rise out of the Depression--stimulated by WWII--resulted in the newfound middle class.

You may be right that this was the initial turning point for the Dems, but the party didn't really get initiated into its current incarnation until the 1960s.

Ferryboat

(921 posts)
10. When TV first was available
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:49 PM
Apr 2019

Only the well to do could afford it. Programming was mostly high brow plays, thought provoking. It was only later when the cost came down that the general population owned one. Programming started trending toward more simplistic.

TV was a great idea at first, but also a squandered opportunity.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
11. Think Roman Empire.
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:55 PM
Apr 2019

It became lazy and stupid as well.

What eventually extended it was splitting it in two. The eastern half lasted another 1000 years, the Byzantine Empire.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
12. Propagandists have caused this
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 01:27 PM
Apr 2019

It's not just laziness or complacency.

Preachers, hate-radio personalities, and GOP politicians (as well as their co-conspirators in the news business), have been preparing this for decades.

We will not solve anything until we address that.

Books_Tea_Alone

(253 posts)
14. Low-Information voters
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 01:41 PM
Apr 2019

Anecdotally, the people I know voted for the reality Apprentice star. They feed on an appetite of Kartrashians, Housewives and nonsense tv shows. You cannot discuss books, thought provoking films, relevant social issues with them. They are always distracted by the new shiny object and glom onto celebrity and 5-minute fame.
This is how we got this criminal clown in office- no one cared about his baggage only his fake "success" in business- and of course a hefty dose of racism.

moondust

(19,954 posts)
15. All lies and jests
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 01:41 PM
Apr 2019

Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest

The Boxer - Paul Simon, 1968

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