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Thu Apr 18, 2019, 04:20 PM

These facts are not in dispute:

1. Russia actively worked to get the presidential candidate of its choosing elected president.
2. That candidate and his campaign was actively aware of these efforts by Russia and--at a bare minimum--did nothing to dissuade or stop these efforts.
3. When an investigation about these efforts from Russia was taken up, the candidate--now President--undertook multiple efforts in an attempt to impede the investigation.

Those are things that neither side can deny as being fact at this point.

This is not a political problem. This is a goddamn national security problem and it needs to be addressed with the seriousness it demands.

Balls to the wall.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 04:46 PM

1. Agreed. And the conclusion is that this administration is totally illegitimate. We have become a

Russian client state.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 08:46 PM

2. Actually their side is denying every bit of it. n/t

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 01:15 AM

12. They have very little evidence while the Mueller investigation has a mountain.

Although not all they would have liked to get before it was destroyed.

The very little evidence their side has is questionable compared to what Mueller's team presented to the Grand Jury and the judge.

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Response to Lock him up. (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 07:50 AM

13. That doesn't matter to their cult.

They simply call the evidence fake news.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 24, 2019, 02:34 AM

15. Their cult is not growing in numbers, they're shrinking.

In proportion. Many lifelong Republicans abandon the sinking ship.

They are wise enough to realize the criminal cabal is taking the same road Nixon took.

The rest of them, the absolute idiots, the QANON morons, nobody will ever change them.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:15 PM

3. Re: The Obstruction of Justice Charges

The Mueller report states that the President gave direct orders to his subordinates to perform actions that would constitute obstruction of justice. It further states that the subordinates in question did not follow through on those orders and therefore justice was not "effectively" obstructed. [quotes mine]

If someone contacts a hitman to kill a human being and the hitman turns out to be a law enforcement officer, the person trying to hire the hitman is not let go because nobody actually got killed. They are still charged with conspiracy to commit murder.

Attempted murder is not treated as a lesser crime because the intended victim managed to escape or pull through after a mortal wound.

The pretender to the Presidency clearly committed crimes against his oath. Those are impeachable offenses. It does not take a legal expert to see that.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 06:26 PM

4. And never forget that a computer @ Trump's Campaign HQ was in direct connection w/...

.... a computer @ Alfa Bank in the Ukraine and that bank is linked to Putin,
the GRU, Wikileaks, Cambridge Analytica, and other "players."


https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/was-there-a-connection-between-a-russian-bank-and-the-trump-campaign

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Response to Botany (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 08:08 AM

7. Now revealed, Barr had connections to Alfa Bank

And a son-in-law and daughter in the admin? This is beyond surreal. Barr should resign. Where's MSM on this?

https://www.newsweek.com/so-many-conflicts-so-little-time-1396435

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 06:37 PM

5. K&R, Too many people trust Red Don wont accept help from Russia in 2020 like he did in 16

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Response to Botany (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 08:19 AM

8. This...

Is why I think we should take precautions.
1. Go straight to candidates websites for information on them.
2. Learn facts from 4 main sources. Podcasts, newspapers, magazine and books.
3. Slow down and confirm the things you hear or read.

In other words, stuff people should have done last election.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 11:00 AM

9. No, they're true, they're facts, but (unfortunately) they ARE in dispute.

What you really mean is that they're not in dispute by honest, knowledgeable authorities.

But to simply say that they're not in dispute is to claim that our nation has no problem with credulous citizens who are easily persuaded by right-wing propaganda, and that reduces the argument to a fallacy equivalent to Trump's frequent addendum to his lies that goes "and everyone knows it."

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 01:10 PM

10. Pretty simple, tough to weasel out of.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 12:59 AM

11. You said it all and said it so well.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 07:52 AM

14. "This is a goddamn national security problem..."

+1

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