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Thu Apr 18, 2019, 03:44 PM

The Bottom Line

It is up to Nancy and the Democrats.

Otherwise, Donald Trump is going to walk. No one else can hold him accountable.

The Democrats must make a decision. Do they want to impeach or do they want this to be decided by the election in 2020?

If they do not wish to impeach, everything from here forward is just politics.

It will not be an honorable precedent if they choose politics over truth and justice.

And there is no guarantee that Donald Trump will not win re-election in 2020.

And there is no guarantee that the American people will have received all the information they needed to make an educated choice.

Bill Barr is not going to resolve this crisis. Neither is Bob Mueller. It is up to Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats. If they choose not to act, then we may as well reel in our lines and go home.

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kentuck Apr 18 OP
dameatball Apr 18 #1
kentuck Apr 18 #3
Demsrule86 Apr 18 #18
TheRealNorth Apr 18 #34
Demsrule86 Apr 18 #41
lastlib Apr 20 #49
democratisphere Apr 18 #2
tnlurker Apr 18 #5
democratisphere Apr 18 #6
TwilightZone Apr 18 #9
bigbrother05 Apr 18 #11
Demsrule86 Apr 18 #20
bigbrother05 Apr 19 #44
Volaris Apr 18 #12
Demsrule86 Apr 18 #17
Volaris Apr 18 #36
poli-junkie Apr 18 #4
FormerOstrich Apr 18 #7
SKKY Apr 18 #8
woodsprite Apr 18 #10
Demsrule86 Apr 18 #16
flotsam Apr 18 #13
Demsrule86 Apr 18 #15
flotsam Apr 18 #19
Demsrule86 Apr 18 #22
Demsrule86 Apr 18 #14
kentuck Apr 18 #21
Demsrule86 Apr 18 #30
kentuck Apr 18 #31
flotsam Apr 18 #23
kentuck Apr 18 #24
Demsrule86 Apr 18 #26
kentuck Apr 18 #33
Demsrule86 Apr 18 #39
McKim Apr 21 #56
Demsrule86 Apr 18 #25
flotsam Apr 18 #28
Demsrule86 Apr 18 #37
Demsrule86 Apr 18 #27
kentuck Apr 18 #29
Demsrule86 Apr 18 #38
Kurt V. Apr 18 #32
I_have_had_enough Apr 18 #35
Demsrule86 Apr 19 #47
BlueWI Apr 21 #53
MadDAsHell Apr 18 #40
Demsrule86 Apr 19 #42
kentuck Apr 19 #43
Demsrule86 Apr 19 #45
kentuck Apr 19 #48
Demsrule86 Apr 19 #46
disndat Apr 21 #50
Baltimike Apr 21 #51
Cosmocat Apr 21 #52
prodigitalson Apr 21 #58
SunSeeker Apr 22 #64
Cosmocat Apr 22 #66
SunSeeker Apr 22 #68
NotHardly Apr 21 #54
NotHardly Apr 21 #55
Pobeka Apr 21 #57
Honeycombe8 Apr 21 #59
kentuck Apr 21 #60
uponit7771 Apr 22 #62
SunSeeker Apr 22 #63
uponit7771 Apr 22 #65
uponit7771 Apr 21 #61
myohmy2 Apr 22 #67

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 03:49 PM

1. Correct. They need to choose principle or politics. There are no 2020 guarantees either way.

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Response to dameatball (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 03:55 PM

3. Your point needs to be emphasized.

There is no guarantee the Democrats will win if they do not impeach.

A point could be made that Trump will be stronger from this point forward if he is not impeached.

It's a tough decision.

Democrats must choose principles or politics.

It is a very, very important decision.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 05:54 PM

18. It is too late. It will take longer than the time before the next election to get

Documents...everything will be fought in court.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:17 PM

34. Maybe we can do both

Continue to work though the courts in the guise of rooting out Russian and other foreign influences in foreign politics, all the while maintaining it has nothing to do with impeachment. That will keep the dirt on Trump flowing through 2020.

Time to play dirty like the Republicans.

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Response to TheRealNorth (Reply #34)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 09:20 PM

41. I don't see the point. We can investigate and do the same thing.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 04:30 PM

49. Mueller got enough documents, Congress can get them....

It won't happen tomorrow, or this month, but it will happen. Yes, it will take a fight, but we can win it. I honestly have some faith that we can have the facts before the American people before the 2020 election. And I honestly believe that enough voters will be sufficiently sick of his criminal schtick that they will throw his ass out if he is not removed by impeachment or other legal process. This nightmare will end.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 03:49 PM

2. How do we get an impeachment through the Senate.

Wonder how many rethuglicons are willing to fall on their sword for drumpf.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 03:59 PM

5. You bring the evidence to the public's knowledge

Through impeachment hearings. Then the pressure on the Republicans to convict will be greater.

That is the point that Nixon resigned. The republican senators at the time were against conviction....until that point at which the public could see that Nixon was guilty. When that happened they (the republican senators) advised him (Nixon) to resign partly so they would not be voting to convict or not...thus effecting their re-election chances

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Response to tnlurker (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 04:06 PM

6. The Senate has a new breed of extremely corrupt rethuglicons and

drumpf has more than 1/3 of the population that will support him no matter what.

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Response to tnlurker (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 04:11 PM

9. This isn't Nixon.

And the Republicans who showed a conscience during the Nixon process no longer exist. There is no equivalent in the current party.

The chances of the Senate convicting, regardless of the outcome of the investigations, is zero.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 04:28 PM

11. Don't have to - hearing in House to bring charges the trial before Senate

Don't rush the hearings and get as much evidence under oath.

The House will select the prosecutors that will bring the case before the Senate.

Even if they can't get 2/3 in the Senate, it will be clear to the public that partisan GOP politics swung the vote.

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Response to bigbrother05 (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 05:56 PM

20. There is not enough time before the next election.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #20)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 08:59 AM

44. The report is out, now the hearings start in the House

In the next few months a ton of testimony will be given before the House committees. That will reinforce what's known from the report and is likely to reveal even more.

Those hearings could/should lead to the Judiciary committee initiating an Impeachment hearing with a House vote by the holidays (maybe sooner).

McConnell will waffle around about scheduling the Senate action (Garland redux) which will put the Senate GOP in a bind coming into the primary season.

All that action in the House will tend to leave the Dem candidate above the fray and they can honestly say the will let the process play out with the facts leading the way.

With a wounded and flailing incumbent, the GOP will be trying to stem losses.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 04:33 PM

12. If evidence is presented in open impeachment session for how complicity they are,

They WILL put him in prison to save their own asses.

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Response to Volaris (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 05:52 PM

17. They wont.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:18 PM

36. Yes they will, if they think they can make the case to their base that they should be allowed to

Keep their seats as a result of throwing him under the bus.

They don't give a fuck about him. They care about getting re elected, point blank end of sentence.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 03:57 PM

4. Look at # of Repuke senators that

approved the lifting of sanctions for Deripaska not too long ago. I think it was 49 Repukes that approved. There’s your roadmap as to which Senator is on the take.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 04:06 PM

7. WE are worth it!

He may not be but our country is!

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 04:08 PM

8. Robert Mueller's testimony is going to be very interesting.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 04:23 PM

10. IMO, letting it go to a vote in 2020 is putting our future in the Russian's hands. n/t

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Response to woodsprite (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 05:52 PM

16. It is to late for impeachment but we can investigate.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 05:36 PM

13. Something I said on another post

You Know what no one said at the Alamo "Boys-I took a whip count of the Mexicans and there's no use stirring up trouble...".

These people spent fortunes and made promises to get those jobs-but here is the thing-They swore to God they would protect and defend the constitution. That's the bottom line on their most important job and promise. And when you storm a beach you use all the powder you have, you don't screw around to keep it dry....

There-I'm out of war metaphors, but I truly believe they are on point.

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Response to flotsam (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 05:51 PM

15. Everyone died at the Alamo. I would prefer to keep investigating and beat the shit out of Trump in

20. I have no use for standing on principle if it means losing. What principle would satisfied if Trump wins in 20?

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 05:55 PM

19. They stood on principle at the Alamo

And if we don't how do we differentiate ourselves from the GOP?

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Response to flotsam (Reply #19)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 05:58 PM

22. Fuck principle. We need to get Trump out in 20.

Losing would allow a 6/3 SCOTUS. You think giving him another term would be principled?

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 05:48 PM

14. For fuck sake . We are less than a year away from an election. We need to win.

Trump can be prosecuted easily if he is out of office. We can't convict him in the Senate.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 05:56 PM

21. Your assumption is that he is weaker if Democrats don't impeach?

Why can't the opposite be argued?

Why not educate the voters and let them know what they are voting for and what they are voting against?

With the evidence in this report, why would that not make Trump and the entire Republican Party weaker?

How do you reach your conclusion??

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Response to kentuck (Reply #21)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:11 PM

30. This is a partisan divide... how will it make him weaker? Do you really think the

GOP will stop supporting him no matter what we do? If there was even chance than I would be on board but there isn't.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #30)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:14 PM

31. Voters should not have to vote out of ignorance.

Democrats should educate them. Information is power.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:00 PM

23. We are more than 18 months away from an election

But I don't care if it was 18 years or 18 days. You do the right thing because it's the right thing. You seem to figure doing the right thing will cost us votes but It's equally possible MORE people would vote for that.

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Response to flotsam (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:05 PM

24. Just my opinion...

But I think it will be devastating for the Democratic Party if they do not impeach. Trump will win re-election.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:06 PM

26. He will win if we do impeach.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #26)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:17 PM

33. Why?

And how?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #33)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:38 PM

39. Polls show many voters feels this needs to end...dragging it out with impeachment will only hurt us.

I hate Trump but we can't get him out. Better to try to win in 20.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #24)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 05:19 PM

56. Agreed!

The Democratic Party will become irrelevant if we do not impeach. This is no time for sunshine patriots!!!!

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Response to flotsam (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:06 PM

25. Sure but the election begins in earnest with Iowa. If you

drag impeachment to the end...he will get some sympathy. We have a partisan divide no way we convince enough GOP to gain either votes or conviction in the Senate. I fo not see a point to this. Investigate yes impeach no.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:10 PM

28. Really

It may in fact be more likely he would choose to be the second to resign than the first removed from office. Don't conflate a continuing criminal enterprise with lying about sex....think Nixon, not Clinton. Clinton got sympathy because it WAS unfair.

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Response to flotsam (Reply #28)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:33 PM

37. He won't have to resign. He will be protected and fears prosecution if he loses the election

IN 20.

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Response to flotsam (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:07 PM

27. Losing is never the right thing. Nothing is more important than beating Trump in 20.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #27)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:11 PM

29. Trump will beat you like a drum if you do not impeach.

Look for his polls to start going up next week.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:34 PM

38. The report is bad for him. We can investigate but impeachment won't help us.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:15 PM

32. K&R

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:17 PM

35. angry

I have replied to my congress people to push for impeachment, twice.
They Must act before this asshole becomes normalized.

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Response to I_have_had_enough (Reply #35)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:45 AM

47. You can't convict him. Scott walker was impeached into two terms,

Americans don't like impeachment in general.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #47)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 03:10 PM

53. Scott Walker didn't pay off porn stars

and fire an FBI director to obstruct an investigation.

Your opposition to impeachment is noted, but your comparison to Walker is a fail.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 06:45 PM

40. Unfortunately Mueller was built up for 2.5 years to be the Messiah.

Last edited Thu Apr 18, 2019, 07:21 PM - Edit history (1)

Now that people are finally waking up to the fact that he is a Rethuglican and is not and never was our savior, can we keep the party in line for the long haul?

The Cons are going to do everything in their power to get the DINOs over to the "move on" side.

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Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #40)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:55 AM

42. Investigation and hold public hearingsimpeachment....but no impeachment....

Could be pre-impeachment. The information in the report is very damaging .

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #42)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 06:58 AM

43. That may be the Democrats' plan?

If they are not going to impeach, in my opinion, they should subpoena everything and put it into the Courts and let the Courts decide.

Ignoring the situation is not a solution.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #43)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:42 AM

45. Giving a tyrant like Trump four more years when we have no chance of conviction

Is dangerous as hell. You can get documents in pre- impeachment hearings.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #45)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:07 AM

48. They are expected to ignore the subpoena requests....

What do you do then?

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Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #40)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:44 AM

46. Mueller did h

Mueller did his job,the Gop Senate will not do their jobs.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 11:19 AM

50. If impeached

will Pence pardon him? Then what will happen? Will the Democrats have a harder time defeating Pence or some other than beating Trump?

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 11:21 AM

51. The bottom line is that the Russians have attacked America and ahave an asset in the oval

we have to stop pretending that truth and facts even MATTER to them and stop being fucking purists.

We are at WAR right now, and impeaching before we even get the whole report is silly. It lets the kGOPb acquit him AND frame the entire narrative successfully.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 11:25 AM

52. Censure

The senate will not convict IF McConnell were even to bring it up.

Impeachment by the House would then be nothing more than a statement.

There already is something in place to do that - censure.

The House can do it, and that will be that.

No 45, the republicans, the conservative media, the liberal media, bashing the dems to going the impeachment route and not being able to finish it.

Also, more politically acceptable for members tight or R leaning districts to censure than to vote for impeachment.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #52)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 09:26 PM

58. When the Senate Republicans block removal from office, then censure

but the House must indict him if they are to do their duty to Constitution and Country. Im all for censure as a last resort. If we are left with symbolic acts let's make it the harshest one. An impeachment is akin to an indictment a censure is a strongly worded letter.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #52)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 05:59 AM

64. Censure does not get the truth out like Impeachment investigation hearings would.

Censure is just a statement. The House voting to commence impeachment is much more of a rubuke than any censure statement. He will become only the 3rd president in history to be impeached while in office.

Also, impeachment proceedings allow us to get Grand Jury info.

From the Washington Post:

In the face of Barr’s decision not to disclose any of the Mueller report to the public or even to the House Judiciary Committee chaired by Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D- N.Y.) until Barr and his team have scrubbed the report of grand jury information (and other material), Nadler and committee Democrats have authorized a subpoena for the full report, setting the stage for a court fight over the committee’s right to see grand jury information. Although the public need underlying the request for disclosure in McKeever was much less pressing, the decision in that case undermines the position of Nadler’s committee, because the controlling federal rule contains no exception allowing congressional “oversight” committees to demand access to otherwise secret grand jury proceedings.

One of the exceptions to grand jury secrecy is disclosure “preliminary to or in connection with a judicial proceeding.” To authorize disclosure of the Watergate grand jury information, the special prosecutor’s office argued that the House had authorized its Judiciary Committee to conduct a formal impeachment inquiry and that such an inquiry could be fairly analogized to a “grand jury” investigation and thus a judicial proceeding. Both the district court and the court of appeals agreed, and the Judiciary Committee obtained both the report and the underlying evidence.

Significantly, the appeals court decision several days ago reaffirmed that exception. All three judges agreed that an impeachment inquiry falls within the “exception for judicial proceedings” and “coheres” with other rulings about the proper scope of grand jury secrecy.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-full-mueller-report-could-be-released--if-the-house-opens-impeachment-hearings/2019/04/08/e47fff42-5a14-11e9-a00e-050dc7b82693_story.html

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #64)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 07:32 AM

66. They have literally a half dozen committees in the House investigating him

there really is not much more that an impeachment hearing would bring to light that they aren't going to bring to light, and the committees are in fact covering a MUCH wider range of his crimes and fuckwitttery.

Do the hearings they had planned to have all all along, vet out the Mueller report through the summer, than censure him before the end of the year.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #66)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 01:42 PM

68. Those House investigations have gotten no media attention because they have no consequences.

Formal impeachment investigation hearings will draw national, indeed global, attention.

Also, those existing House investigations can't get the Grand Jury info we need. Only the impeachment process can get us that:

From the Washington Post:

In the face of Barr’s decision not to disclose any of the Mueller report to the public or even to the House Judiciary Committee chaired by Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D- N.Y.) until Barr and his team have scrubbed the report of grand jury information (and other material), Nadler and committee Democrats have authorized a subpoena for the full report, setting the stage for a court fight over the committee’s right to see grand jury information. Although the public need underlying the request for disclosure in McKeever was much less pressing, the decision in that case undermines the position of Nadler’s committee, because the controlling federal rule contains no exception allowing congressional “oversight” committees to demand access to otherwise secret grand jury proceedings.

One of the exceptions to grand jury secrecy is disclosure “preliminary to or in connection with a judicial proceeding.” To authorize disclosure of the Watergate grand jury information, the special prosecutor’s office argued that the House had authorized its Judiciary Committee to conduct a formal impeachment inquiry and that such an inquiry could be fairly analogized to a “grand jury” investigation and thus a judicial proceeding. Both the district court and the court of appeals agreed, and the Judiciary Committee obtained both the report and the underlying evidence.

Significantly, the appeals court decision several days ago reaffirmed that exception. All three judges agreed that an impeachment inquiry falls within the “exception for judicial proceedings” and “coheres” with other rulings about the proper scope of grand jury secrecy.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-full-mueller-report-could-be-released--if-the-house-opens-impeachment-hearings/2019/04/08/e47fff42-5a14-11e9-a00e-050dc7b82693_story.html

Trump welcomed a Russian attack on our country in order to gain office, then obstructed our Justice Department, sacking an AG and an FBI Director, in order to stop the investigation into that attack. This is horrifically worse than Watergate. A censure would be a laughable slap on the wrist for these grave crimes against our country.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 03:59 PM

54. Impeach the MFer, I do not care how long it takes or if the DEMs...

have to freaking fight for it... will no one do their damn job in the so-called House of Representatives... shall we have just let the country be attacked, sold down the river, and no one wins but the billionaires??? and Don's of a new mafia????

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Response to NotHardly (Reply #54)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 04:00 PM

55. ... how many Repugs took money from the communists?

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 05:32 PM

57. They have to impeach.

Otherwise they not only look weak, they are weak.

If the senate convicts, then the SOB is out of there and faces consequences.
If the senate does not convict, then it will be crystal clear that the GOP senate does not care about this country, and the GOP will have a serious uphill battle for the senate in the 2020 election.

There is no significant legislation that will make it through the senate before 2020 anyway to change the lives of ordinary voters.

Impeachment in the house is the only play available...

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 11:24 PM

59. He's going to walk, even with impeachment.

The impeachment would be on paper, for historical and maybe future legal reasons. But it won't remove him from office.

They could file a secret indictment, maybe, for Trump to be indicted after he leaves office. But he's going to walk, for the time being. Mueller knew that.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #59)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 11:30 PM

60. In my opinion, the most important thing we can do...

Is to try and inform the citizens of this country so they can be educated voters. All we can do is give them the facts and possible consequences. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

If people have the information and still vote against what is best for our country, there is not much more we can do.

But we have to try and get them the info they need to be an informed voter. The propaganda is very strong, almost cult-like, and will be very difficult to defeat.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #59)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 12:00 AM

62. At minimum the light should be shown, I'm still trying to get a solid answer on what other

... abilities impeachment brings congress.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #62)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 05:54 AM

63. Starting formal impeachment investigation proceedings lets us get Grad Jury info.

From the Washington Post:

In the face of Barr’s decision not to disclose any of the Mueller report to the public or even to the House Judiciary Committee chaired by Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D- N.Y.) until Barr and his team have scrubbed the report of grand jury information (and other material), Nadler and committee Democrats have authorized a subpoena for the full report, setting the stage for a court fight over the committee’s right to see grand jury information. Although the public need underlying the request for disclosure in McKeever was much less pressing, the decision in that case undermines the position of Nadler’s committee, because the controlling federal rule contains no exception allowing congressional “oversight” committees to demand access to otherwise secret grand jury proceedings.

One of the exceptions to grand jury secrecy is disclosure “preliminary to or in connection with a judicial proceeding.” To authorize disclosure of the Watergate grand jury information, the special prosecutor’s office argued that the House had authorized its Judiciary Committee to conduct a formal impeachment inquiry and that such an inquiry could be fairly analogized to a “grand jury” investigation and thus a judicial proceeding. Both the district court and the court of appeals agreed, and the Judiciary Committee obtained both the report and the underlying evidence.

Significantly, the appeals court decision several days ago reaffirmed that exception. All three judges agreed that an impeachment inquiry falls within the “exception for judicial proceedings” and “coheres” with other rulings about the proper scope of grand jury secrecy.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-full-mueller-report-could-be-released--if-the-house-opens-impeachment-hearings/2019/04/08/e47fff42-5a14-11e9-a00e-050dc7b82693_story.html

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #63)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 06:47 AM

65. THX !!!

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 11:32 PM

61. That's not a rational decision relative to the fact that Red Don is going to be helped by Russians

... again.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 07:49 AM

67. "It is up to Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats."

...IMO, the Constitution demands we impeach and let the process take it's course...

...in the long run, sweeping impeachment under the table will cause more problems and do more harm than not impeaching...

...if we put country over party, I don't believe we have a choice...

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