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Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:31 AM

Jimmy Carter takes call from Trump regarding China

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-jimmy-carter-china-war-infrastructure-economy-trade-war-church-1396086?fbclid=IwAR2RpWwUWl16RTUKx8GEMyCLsDtpQLFr-waLpu1Tfcl4HnOLIP8FFm8xJIw

Former President Jimmy Carter told a church congregation this weekend that he had spoken with President Donald Trump about China on Saturday, and said the commander in chief was worried that Beijing had outpaced its global rivals.

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Carter, 94, said Trump was worried that “China is getting ahead of us,” and suggested the president was right to be concerned.

“Since 1979, do you know how many times China has been at war with anybody?” Carter asked. “None. And we have stayed at war.” The U.S., he noted, has only enjoyed 16 years of peace in its 242-year history, making the country “the most warlike nation in the history of the world,” Carter said. This is, he said, because of America’s tendency to force other nations to “adopt our American principles.”

In China, meanwhile, the economic benefits of peace were clear to the eye. “How many miles of high-speed railroad do we have in this country?” he asked. While China has some 18,000 miles of high-speed rail, the U.S. has “wasted, I think, $3 trillion” on military spending. “It’s more than you can imagine. China has not wasted a single penny on war, and that’s why they’re ahead of us. In almost every way.”


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Reply Jimmy Carter takes call from Trump regarding China (Original post)
G_j Apr 16 OP
malaise Apr 16 #1
Perseus Apr 16 #21
malaise Apr 16 #24
Power 2 the People Apr 16 #31
Maru Kitteh Apr 16 #37
malaise Apr 16 #40
Maru Kitteh Apr 16 #41
malaise Apr 16 #42
panader0 Apr 16 #2
CousinIT Apr 16 #3
FM123 Apr 16 #4
cojoel Apr 16 #5
zipplewrath Apr 16 #6
Pepsidog Apr 16 #18
pangaia Apr 16 #29
Caliman73 Apr 16 #43
zipplewrath Apr 16 #45
dubyadiprecession Apr 16 #7
Perseus Apr 16 #23
Ferrets are Cool Apr 16 #8
KPN Apr 16 #9
dalton99a Apr 16 #10
Butterflylady Apr 16 #11
PatrickforO Apr 16 #12
calimary Apr 16 #13
smirkymonkey Apr 16 #46
Polybius Apr 16 #14
yaesu Apr 16 #16
karynnj Apr 16 #27
Otto Lidenbrock Apr 16 #26
Polybius Apr 17 #56
N_E_1 for Tennis Apr 16 #15
yaesu Apr 16 #17
Dave Starsky Apr 16 #34
N_E_1 for Tennis Apr 16 #35
Dave Starsky Apr 16 #36
bdamomma Apr 17 #57
uponit7771 Apr 16 #19
marble falls Apr 16 #20
Javaman Apr 16 #22
patphil Apr 16 #25
malaise Apr 16 #32
Caliman73 Apr 16 #44
llmart Apr 16 #39
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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:37 AM

1. So glad Carter said this

This is, he said, because of America’s tendency to force other nations to “adopt our American principles.”

Sadly the principles aren't clear these days

The rest of the planet has more to fear from the US than the US does from the rest of the planet.

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:07 AM

21. Even when the principles are clear, what/who gives you the right to try to impose yours?

Who says that your principles are better than someone else principles? what works for you may not work for somebody else. The problem is not only the principles, but the fact that those principles are pushed by money, the USA wants to have a McDonalds everywhere in the World, why? McDonalds is not good for people's health, and a lot of the countries around the World used to have great diets, fresh food, no Monsanto to deal with, no pesticides to pollute the crops, water, air with, and that is what the USA tries to push to other countries, to change the way they do business, the way they live, and most of the time is not good to change a healthy way of living for profits which eventually will go to doctors because now the health of the country has deteriorated. That is the real problem.

When you look at Evangelists in the USA, how good do they make Christianity look? How much better are Evangelicals to many of the extreme cults around the World? you want to export that? Why?

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Response to Perseus (Reply #21)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:14 AM

24. Very well said

The only principle appears to be accumulating wealth by any means necessary.

That said I like rule of law although that has been under siege for centuries.

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:18 PM

31. +1

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:49 PM

37. I would only argue that it's been the guise of adopting our "principles." It's always, always

been about an ongoing feeling of entitlement to all the planet's resources and maintaining global superiority, which are pretty much two sides of the same coin.



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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #37)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 04:05 PM

40. I completely agree

but you have to admit that they sure can market the opposite of their intentions

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Response to malaise (Reply #40)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 04:10 PM

41. Nothing but the best snakeoil salesmanship on the planet!

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #41)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 04:18 PM

42. The most disturbing part of the attempt at global hegemony to me

is the spread of the racist evangelicals - that is some serious shit.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:39 AM

2. At age 94, Carter would still make a great leader.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:42 AM

3. The MiC is killing the US, thwarting its progress

Makes perfect sense. There's good reason Carter won the Nobel Peace Prize.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:42 AM

4. idiot trump and President Carter

it is hard to even speak both names together in a sentence.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:03 AM

5. not 100% accurate

China has undergone a massive military buildup in the last 20 years, and is asserting itself over regions such as the South China Sea.

But it is true they have not engaged their military all over the world time and time again. I think that is what President Carter is describing.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:03 AM

6. As much as I agree

This is a bit misleading. China hasn't been at war, since Korea, because they have had an extremely limited capacity to do so. Projecting power is a difficult thing to do, and it isn't cheap either. They haven't gone to war with Taiwan because they knew we would protect them. Vietnam has a history in conflicts with China that encourage China to not try to project power there. And they aren't going back into South Korea any time soon. But they do oppress a few regions that might otherwise try to split from them. And all their neighbors are extremely wary of them.

And China hasn't been totally passive on this front. They are building a capacity to project SOME power. Not globally, but regionally. They've bought and converted aircraft carriers and submarines. They've built a capacity to attack satellites. And they are expanding islands in the South China Sea artificially and militarizing them. They are playing a very long game, but it does involve the intent on using military power to project power and control beyond their borders.

We spend way too much on our military power, although DU might not agree on what the "right" amount is. And the GOP has created more pointless wars as of late, but even Obama was limited in his capacity to wind them down. A growing China, much like a growing Japan almost a century ago, is a problem that shouldn't be ignored. But it isn't carte blanche to do "just anything" either.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:57 AM

18. And we must make prevention of Chinese industrial espionage a priority. China is great at stealing

and copying others innovations. China is similar to the USA pre WWII. I cannot imagine the progress China is making throughout the world while we are pre-occupied with Trump’s moronic policies, if you can call them policies. About the only thing I like about Trump, however, is like Reagan he is unpredictable which tends to scare other nations like China. I always said the perfect president is one with Obama’s brains and Trump’s balls

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:55 AM

29. These were pretty much my thoughts as well.

China has grown it's power much differently than the US has. LONG GAME is it.. And they have one..

" But they do oppress a few regions that might otherwise try to split from them."

That is saying it very mildly. Continuing attempted genocide in Tibet. Their murderous policy in Xinjiang...

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 04:34 PM

43. You have to remember who Carter was talking to.

I think that he and President Obama could have quite the lengthy and nuanced conversation about the conflicts that China has had with its neighbors in the South China Sea and their current build up. He was talking to Trump however, so he had to use the most basic concepts possible and it is HIGHLY likely that Trump couldn't get what President Carter was talking about even with that simplistic information.

Regarding the wars, the problem is as others have said, that we insert ourselves into most parts of the world because of economic interests, not to spread democracy and benign leadership. We are in the Persian Gulf and Middle East because of the shipping lanes and oil, even though we get 10% or less of our own oil, our companies are the ones drilling and exporting a lot of it. We protect trade routes all over the world. We remain in South Korea because it is a major technology supplier to the US and rest of the world, plus we need a foot hold in case things heat up in Asia.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #43)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 04:45 PM

45. Actually this was a public speech

I suspect it was a severe summary just to make a particular point to this crowd. God I hope he talked at greater length and depth with Trump, although it probably would be valueless considering the "audience".

We have been in wars, as he said, most of our existence. One way or another they were all economically driven, whether Manifest Destiny, or the Barbary Coast. Heck, our Revolution was economically driven. That doesn't mean there were also other interests involved. It's hard to argue with Clinton's "wars". It's hard to argue with the start of the Afghan war. Even the Korean war is difficult to argue against, at least what started it. It's how we fight them, and end them, that often causes the most trouble. And none of this means that if we do nothing, the world will be a better place. When we defend shipping lanes, it's not just OUR ships, or our economies that benefit. When we try to intervene in genocides, it does have the effect of making SOME people think twice (just not enough unfortunately).

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:13 AM

7. Jimmy will never get that time back..

That he spent on the phone with President Assclown.

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Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:10 AM

23. Thanks for the laugh, true but funny

The good thing is that Carter knows who he was talking to a bufoon.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:15 AM

8. Some great words from President Carter.

I still find it difficult to believe that Agent Orange called him. His MagaTs are not gonna be happy bout that.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:16 AM

9. Wow. Excellent. We thank and love you Jimmy Carter.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:17 AM

10. Kick

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:20 AM

11. I never thought of that, however

He's right!

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:25 AM

12. Boy, is he right!

Carter remains a great man, a wise man and a national treasure.

The only thing here that blows me away is that Trump actually called him up.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:28 AM

13. No kidding. trump called HIM?

And not because the donald needed more fawning and shameless compliments?

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Response to calimary (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 05:00 PM

46. I know, that threw me for a loop too.

The fact that Trump would call anybody for advice, let alone an ex-US Democratic President kind of astounded me. It will amaze me even further if it is shown that he actually listened and took the advice to heart.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:36 AM

14. I think Carter is Trump's favorite living ex-President

It's the only one he doesn't bash. Even Shrub gets bashed by Trump.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:53 AM

16. that is interesting as Carter is probably the most progressive president since FDR

& tRump is the most fascist president since Jackson, maybe opposites do attract.

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Response to yaesu (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:26 AM

27. LBJ probably was - with Medicare, Medicaid, the expansion of food stamps

and the whole Great Society. However ... there was the huge expansion of commitment - through lying about Tonkin Bay - of the Vietnam War.

I do think Carter might be second and think the effort he made toward a moral foreign policy may be unique among American presidents.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:22 AM

26. Jimmy is the only one with no political bone with him

He lied, smeared and hated Obama for years, turned against Bill because of Hillary and the Bush's because of Jeb.

Jimmy left Washington and active politics decades ago. He has no link therefore is no threat.

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Response to Otto Lidenbrock (Reply #26)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 10:58 PM

56. Trump disliked W long before Jeb and him ran in 2016

He turned against him shortly after the war.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:38 AM

15. My biggest surprise is that...

Blobo actually asked for advice. The action is comforting and disconcerting at at same time. Comforting because he asked for advice, disconcerting because he should have known this already. Looking for a different point of view maybe?

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Response to N_E_1 for Tennis (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:56 AM

17. his corporate advisers would never give him the real dope & he's too stupid to figure it out himself

I mean, he's living in a self made stupidity bubble. Putin probably got right on the phone when he heard about this & set him straight.

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Response to N_E_1 for Tennis (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:59 PM

34. And he called Jimmy Carter, for crying out loud.

Did he pull the wrong card out of the Rolodex? Was he actually trying to call Carter Page?

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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #34)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:17 PM

35. Guffaw!

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Response to N_E_1 for Tennis (Reply #35)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:46 PM

36. I imagine President Carter was just as surprised to hear from him.

I can also easily picture Trump blathering on and listening to what Carter's telling him, thinking the whole time that he's talking to Carter Page.

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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #34)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:09 PM

57. that's good

tRump can't read period.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:02 AM

19. "the U.S. has "wasted, I think, $3 trillion" on military spending" most going to red state welfare.

... Can you imagine where the issues like climate change or health care would be at if that much money was spent on those issues.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:07 AM

20. And Trumps takeaway from this is ...... ?

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:09 AM

22. this needs to be broadcast far and wide. the orange asshole not only asked for help...

he asked a DEMOCRAT.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:20 AM

25. The most warlike nation

Yes, that is our true legacy to the world.
We talk about freedom and peace, while our actions around the world are quite the opposite.
I was in the military during the Vietnam War. I saw how it's done.
Get the people riled up then point them at an enemy.
With the masses on board you can do just about anything.
The trillions we spend on our military, and the resulting wars we have either been in ourselves, or have had other countries fight for us, have produced incredible human misery around the world.
When will we ever learn?
There is just too little love out there.
Jimmy Carter is truly a great man.

Patrick Phillips

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Response to patphil (Reply #25)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:21 PM

32. Yep

I watched the rise of the anti-Muslim propaganda shortly after the Soviet Union collapsed.
Now Venezuela is their new Cuba. It's sickening - what's worse is how many intelligent buy the bullshit.

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Response to malaise (Reply #32)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 04:37 PM

44. Fear and anger are great motivators.

The logic centers of your brain shut down when the limbic system (flight/fight/freeze) are activated. One of the reasons why the military does so much training in muscle memory techniques. When you are scared crapless, you want your limbic system to remember how to load and shoot.

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Response to patphil (Reply #25)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:51 PM

39. How much money did we waste in Iraq so that Dubya could gain Daddy's approval?

How many lives and how much money are we/have we wasted in Afghanistan? I remember how so many Americans mantra was "blow them people back to the stone age" as if they weren't already living in the stone age. Our media was and is complicit in beating war drums for whatever war action du jour happens to be occuring at any given time.

Until this country gets a grip on it's warmongering and power hungry macho trip, we will never make any real progress in issues that really matter.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:31 AM

28. Need our political candidates saying the same thing

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:10 PM

30. My hero - since I was in fifth grade. (nt)

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:25 PM

33. What an amazing man

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:50 PM

38. Hasn't the man suffered enough? nt

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 05:01 PM

47. That's because some billionaires get rich when we are at war.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 05:34 PM

48. The Left was right

regarding US Imperialism..

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 05:52 PM

49. SNL should parody this phone conversation

You cannot get two more contrasting men who both occupied the Oval Office. Maybe Dan Ackroyd can reprise his Carter impression - minus the moustache!

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:12 PM

50. I can't think of any industrialized nation that hasn't gotten or isn't getting ahead of it

whether it be with their safety nets or new technology.

But at least the defense contractors are doing well.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:25 PM

51. K&R, bookmarked too

Great words from a great man - pretty much sums up what steps we could take to change.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:51 PM

52. When I heard Trump called Carter about China

I thought the call was to inquire as to where China exactly was?

Trump obviously trusts neither his own State department nor his own Defense department (hmmm, maybe he's not so stupid after all), and the only living former Republican president (who actually did the job) is Dick Cheney, whose foreign policy didn't turn out so well, though he was able to put Bush's name on it. Trump hates both Obama and Clinton, and has no idea who John Kerry is. He was probably running out of names.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:59 PM

53. President Carter gets it.



At age 94 President Carter gets it.

Meanwhile, Trump can't even put together a coherent sentence.

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:59 PM

54. And Trump shit himself in response

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Response to G_j (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 08:31 AM

55. Hard to believe trump actually asked someone, ANYONE, for advice on anything.

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