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Drahthaardogs Monday #3
BigmanPigman Monday #2
UniteFightBack Monday #5
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mwooldri Monday #4
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Stinky The Clown Monday #10
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Stinky The Clown Monday #15
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MicaelS Monday #11
Stinky The Clown Monday #12
Trenzalore Monday #13
Stinky The Clown Monday #16

Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:13 PM

1. Just FYI. Stinky. It was owned by the French Govt. and hence (their) responsilibity.

to repair. Not the RC Church - although it reserves the right to use it for perpetuity.

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Response to harumph (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:26 PM

3. Thanks for pointing that out so I didn't have to.

You can almost sense the glee in the Catholic bashers posts as they blame the Vatican for NOT doing the maintenance on a property they have not owned for over a century.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:19 PM

2. A NYFD fire fighter saw pictures of the interior

and said the firefighters did a brilliant job and he is glad to see the interior almost intact. He said that marble can be cleaned since it doesn't burn so a lot of statues and interior will be OK. They also go a lot of the artifacts and artwork out before it was damaged. Pretty amazing when you realize the whole place was fully on fire in about 10 minutes. They will be able to restore it, mostly.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:44 PM

5. I thought the interior looks amazing considering WTF just happened. nt

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:02 PM

9. The firefighter said that he was surprised that there wasn't a lot

of rubble and ashes all over the interior but thinks that it burned so thoroughly there isn't much that reached the floor. He seemed very optimistic.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:27 PM

4. Cathedrals do take time.

Guildford cathedral : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guildford_Cathedral

Started building in 1936, finished in 1965. Small matter of WW2 in the way mind...

I don't believe many of the great cathedrals and historic public buildings of the world would have a full blown sprinkler system in them.

Because the cathedral of Notre Dame is of such significance, the money to rebuild will be found. The skilled craftspeople will be found. It won't be overnight or even a couple of years. But Notre Dame will be rebuilt in due course.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:46 PM

6. There are plenty of skilled craftsfolk to do this work. And now they'll have a chance to be part of

history too. The rebuilding is the next chapter. In 500 years nobody will care it was rebuilt because it will be old. Future generations will be so glad it was rebuilt .... and everyone will note and remember the great fire of 2019.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:50 PM

7. 200?

try 800+.


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Response to 912gdm (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:28 PM

10. Try 200 to build.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:20 PM

14. Oh, so 200 years ago it was just a field?

Huh, thanks for the education. I thought the Cathedral had elements that dated back to the 12 century, silly me...

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Response to 912gdm (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:23 PM

15. I am going to indulge you.

It took 200 years to build. Including those 200 years, it has been there for 800 years.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:51 PM

8. Pinault has pledged 100 million

A hundred million euros is a good first pledge. Will need a lot more, but it will be there. The artisans and their apprentices will appear to meet the need. Probably not in my remaining lifetime.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:43 PM

11. I am willing to bet craftspeople worldwide...

Will be volunteering to be part of rebuilding the cathedral.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:45 PM

12. Of course they will be.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:53 PM

13. Until there is an investigation of the cause of the fire

I think it is premature to assign blame to anyone.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:25 PM

16. OP posted here.

The Cathedral of Notre Dame took more than 200 years to build.

Cathedrals take a very long time to build. In no small measure, it is the art work with which they are adorned. Consider just the Rose Window. The size. The craftsmanship. The perfection. Now multiply that to include the statues, the frescoes, even the door handles. All bespoke. All hand crafted.

As a modern day example. consider a smaller cathedral (basilica, actually) in Barcelona, Antoni Gaudi's La Sagrada Familia. Construction began in 1882, and even as it was consecrated in 2010, remains under construction.

The damage to Notre Dame is unimaginable - except that it is real.

Macron has vowed to rebuild it. Where do they find the craftspeople? Stone carvers. Carpenters skilled in medieval techniques. Stained glass artisans. So many others.

So much was lost.

Lastly, the Roman Catholic Church should be ashamed for so badly shirking the responsibility to mankind to preserve for all humanity the priceless treasures they own. Deferred maintenance is a modern term that appears to apply to Notre Dame. Had they kept up maintenance over the years, the massive repairs underway at the time of the fire may not have been necessary. Had a sensitive installation of a fire suppression system been retrofitted, the fire may have been quickly knocked down

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