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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:22 AM

I watched Tiger Woods "comeback" yesterday and his remarks...

and a nagging thought entered my mind. As Tiger played out his tale of redemption, I wondered what his wife and "other woman" were thinking. He gets to be the hero again and all is forgiven. Not even forgiven because we don't know how those women felt --and others hurt by his "fall"-- in the first place.

I saw Woods being celebrated today on Morning Joe and did not see one person raise these questions.

Am I just being picky and should say "all is forgiven" and join the celebration?

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Reply I watched Tiger Woods "comeback" yesterday and his remarks... (Original post)
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CTyankee Apr 15 #14
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CTyankee Apr 15 #8
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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:25 AM

1. It's complicated!

My husband loves the major golf championships and he was rooting for Tiger. Said he'd "been through a lot" and he deserved this comeback. (meaning medical problems, back surgeries, and personal problems).

All I could think about was all the people, especially women, he'd hurt throughout his life. So I guess everyone sees a different side of him. My feeling was, let one of the new guys win it, Tiger you have already won it 4 times. I don't wish him bad luck or anything, but can't get excited about him winning at ALL. Plus he seemed to suck up to the Asshole on the golf course a short while ago.

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:33 AM

7. Birds of a feather, and all that.

Even had he come up short and failed to win, he still would have claimed more air time than the winner. Never been a fan. I enjoy watching golf at times but a dedicated follower of no individual golfers.

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:50 AM

23. As Eastwood says in Unforgiven

Deserve has nothing to do with it. He was the best the last four days. I rarely watch golf, but, like his first Master's win, I watched the last two holes when I saw the leaderboard flash up on my news screen.

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:13 AM

35. I watched the entire thing.

There are some seriously dedicated, talented young golfers coming up. When the announcer said "Tiger has been through so much" I said to my son, "Yes, mostly brought on by himself" I wanted one of the other golfers to win. One I can respect, not one who has slept with other golfer's wives. I can not stand seeing Woods pout when he has a bad shot. I can understand why he gravitates to tRump. Two of a kind.

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #35)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:30 PM

153. Tiger is not the one who slept with other golfers' wives. He slept with women other than his wife.

It was another prominent golfer involved with another golfer's wife.

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Response to brush (Reply #153)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 05:46 AM

164. Tiger slept with

Jason Dufner's wife. The marriage broke up.

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #164)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:47 AM

165. She was Dufner's ex-wife.

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:00 AM

72. You are so right, its complicated.

As for sucking up to the asshole, if the President demands a game, I guess you have no choice if you want to stay in the game. Remember who wields the power in America.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:26 AM

2. Sometimes the past should be left where it belongs.

In the past and forgotten.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:28 AM

4. Isn't that what the MeToo movement sought to overcome?

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:38 AM

14. That is what I thought, too.

Not much has been overcome. I wonder how many watchers of MJ today felt as I do...that a living past to this man has been completely brushed aside and we are now expected to gush over Woods' comeback.

Maybe I am expecting too much of Morning Joe. Just look at the past behavior of its co-hosts...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:37 AM

62. I think your last sentence says it all, CTyankee.

Joe S. is a suck-up at best. His show gave Dump the push he needed to get elected with millions of bucks worth of free air time, and I will never forgive them for that. All in the cause of "entertainment."

And btw, just like you said in the OP, the first thing that crossed my mind when I heard he had won (not a golf fan) was "I wonder how is ex and his ex-girlfriends feel about that."

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:39 AM

15. Some people have a tendency to live in the past and wallow in it.

The only thing that matters is making today and tomorrow better.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:21 AM

39. Some people are traumatized by their past

While their abusers are celebrated, the abused are told to “get over it.”

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #39)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:23 AM

41. Eventually a person must move forward or rot in the past.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #39)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:42 AM

85. Thank you grammy!

This poster will never get it. See his post below. Women are just supposed to suck it up an move on.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:31 AM

6. I don't think it is ever really past and certainly not forgotten...

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:27 AM

3. I agree wholeheartedly. The first and lead story on the

CBS morning show was about Woods victory. And it went on and on and on. I muted it quickly because of the very reason you mentioned. Sports heroes are given a behavioral pass too many instances.
Idol worship at its worst in my opinion.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:29 AM

5. Why is it your job to "forgive" him?

You're not married to him. Why is it really any of your business?

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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:34 AM

8. It isn't. But it has been thrust upon me by a show that I watch for news and information.

Mine was a comment about news coverage, or lack of coverage, in a time of great proclamations on the progress of women. I was commenting on that.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:38 AM

13. Change the channel. Or, even better, turn the bloody thing off.

It always makes me LOL here when people say they are "forced" to watch somethingon TV. Go to your local coffee shop and read a book.

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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:39 AM

17. I usually like the show but what the hell...I coulda just muted it...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:44 AM

19. Indeed.

I'm finding myself having to walk away from the news more and more these days. It's just gotten completely absurd and infuriating. I'm finding that taking a break for a couple of hours listening to good music and working on a hobby does wonders for one's outlook and mental health.

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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:39 AM

16. This is what I don't get either. What women besides his wife did he hurt? They all knew he was

married and consented to the affairs. What does anyone know what he's doing now? He paid for what he did and rehabilitated himself. Why all the anger about it?

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Response to Solomon (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:18 AM

37. Tell that to

Jason Dufner another golfer. His marriage broke up because of Woods, and Mrs. Dufner. Woods KNEW she was married, too. My father cheated on my mother. I know firsthand how much grief it causes.

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:17 AM

78. Did Mrs Dufner forget she was married?

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Response to malachi (Reply #78)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:51 AM

88. Tiger apparently

did. The Dufners had no children, since their marriage was short term.

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:18 AM

79. If a married woman cheats..

She is much at fault as the man she is cheating with. Yet we only want to focus on the male cheater.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #79)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:53 AM

89. That is not true.

A woman who cheats is called every nasty name in the book. Men are slapped on the back, called "good ol' boys" What is the male equivalent of "slut"? "whore"? "tramp"? "prostitute"?

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #89)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:57 AM

92. Whoremonger.

That is the term I use. That is what I think of Trump and his ilk.

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #89)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:24 PM

106. Men do not congratulate each other for cheating.

It is rarely shared among each other. Especially with other married men who do not cheat.

Many men simply do not confront other men on the subject. It’s not what we do.

We tell our wives, though.

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:53 PM

113. well, at least according to an anonymous source in the National Enquirer

So maybe not so much.

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #37)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:36 PM

154. She was Duffner's ex-wife.

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Response to Solomon (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:48 AM

69. Did he rehabilitate himself? Do you know what he's doing now? He just had a big payday...

He's still hanging with tRump. I don't really pay any attention to him. I'm not going to defend him though.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:35 AM

9. we don't allow redemption any more?? So we have to suffer thru eternal jeopardy??

The fact is Woods played a great Master's tournament and no one ever expect him to win. I tire of those who think you must always be punished forever

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:38 AM

12. I agree

he's lived his mistakes out in the public. We don't, luckily, have to.

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Response to ebbie15644 (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:06 AM

32. Bingo

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:42 AM

18. That is not what I said but oh well, let's just move on and celebrate...

but jeez, too bad about the women and men he hurt getting to where he is today. They truly just don't count...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:48 AM

21. didn't say forget, but forgiveness is suppose to be who we are. Either we have redemption or not

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:59 AM

28. What women and men did he hurt besides his wife?

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:07 AM

33. Reread your post, that is what you said.

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:24 PM

105. I do not believe he should be punshied forever.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:35 AM

10. What exactly has he done to redeem himself? He recovered from injuries...that's redeeming? nt

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:36 AM

11. You're not alone!


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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:47 AM

20. Really, that is all personal baggage and none of any of our business.

From what I have read over the years, his ex is living a happy (and wealthy) life.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:19 AM

38. That was my first thought too.

He lost a beautiful lady. Did you see any of those he cheated with like the waitress from Waffle House? I've been dumped and it hurts, then a few years later I always feel lucky to be free of that person.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:15 AM

77. I guess you feel the same way about Donald Trump then too.

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Response to llmart (Reply #77)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:23 PM

121. Number 1: Tiger is a golfer, not a president.

Number 2: No I do not give a rat's ass who rump sleeps with or whom he cheats on. I do not care about the size or shape of his penis, information that seems to get everyone so excited here. I only care if he broke campaign laws in trying to extricate himself from the slimy mess he made.

Tiger is a celebrity, but owes the citizens of this country nothing about his personal life. The president does.

So your comment really is not relevant to the situation in my opinion.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:49 AM

22. Infidelity is not so great a crime that redemption is unthinkable

Millions of people relished his downfall ... something I found quite disturbing. Let him build himself up again. It inspires the rest of us “sinners.”

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Response to MaryMagdaline (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:50 PM

128. +1

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:53 AM

24. Americans have become so puritanical and hyper judgmental

About just about everything. It makes us a dull insufferable people, if you ask me.

Nothing against #metoo by the way.

But that too has gone a little too far overboard, when it leads to people becoming wary of making even the smallest humanizing gestures to each other.

Plus women too weak to firmly stand up for themselves in the moment need to reclaim a little of their own agency.

I find it hard to applauded as heroines of some sort woman who lacked the strength and agency to speak out in the moment and only manage to do so many many years later, especially when they could have dealt with it there and then to greater effect, if they had just been willing to put their big girl pants on and stand up for themselves.

We would call a guy who behaved that way an emasculated coward.

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Response to kennetha (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:23 AM

40. Yeah, right.

"so puritanical" that they voted a con man, serial cheater, tax cheat, congenital liar into the highest office in the land. Maybe Tiger would like to run next time, once tRump decides he really is not qualified for the job?? Unlike tRump, at least Woods does not cheat at golf.

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #40)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:33 AM

46. Well most Americans voted against Trump.

Most Republicans did too in the primaries.

Republicans are mostly deluded or hypocrites when it comes to Trump because the hate dark skinned people and so-called “baby killers” more than they hate philanderers and thieves and pussy grabbers.

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Response to kennetha (Reply #46)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:19 AM

55. How do you know how people voted?

I vote into a black hole with no paper trail, not that a paper trail matters.

No voting machines are pulled out and independently audited.

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Response to watoos (Reply #55)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:24 AM

57. They count the votes and announce them

Duh!

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Response to kennetha (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:11 AM

52. We have some real Puritans on this site. It always surprises me, but really it should not.

Getting used to it now.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #52)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:09 PM

169. Yes those women should just get over it, right?

He’s not owed forgiveness by anyone.

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Response to EllieBC (Reply #169)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 04:34 PM

170. Except for his wife, those women knew who he was.

His wife is doing just fine, and I doubt she needs any pity from anyone here.

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Response to kennetha (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:17 AM

54. This line of thinking is so poorly conceived

You're entirely overlooking a wide variety of circumstances that may have prevented victims of sexual assault and/or harassment from coming forward at the time. Accusers weren't as commonly believed even a decade ago, let alone in the 1970s, 80s or 90s. Some of the victims were in workplaces where such behavior was rampant and condoned by management. Some may have been supporting their families and didn't have the luxury of changing jobs, at least until a good alternative came along, which can take months, maybe years.

You condemn Americans for being judgmental and then proceed to write a post which is rife with judgment and generalizations.

The bottom line is: are the allegations true or not? It's not a question of whether the crimes committed were two days ago or 20 years ago, if the accused is guilty then an appropriate price should be paid. That's what matters.

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Response to True Dough (Reply #54)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:27 AM

59. Excuses excuses for not standing up for yourself.

Put you big girl/boy pants on and take control of your life.

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Response to kennetha (Reply #59)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:38 AM

63. Anyone who is willing to go to court to seek justice

is taking control. Doesn't matter if it's years after the fact.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:53 AM

25. So

Sometimes golf is just golf. Nt

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:56 AM

26. First off, I rooted for Tiger,

until I found out he wasn't a nice person.

So why do I have to wear a collared shirt at my course but he gets to wear a turtle neck at the Masters?

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Response to watoos (Reply #26)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:12 AM

34. I really focused on that myself.

When we learned golf, it was made clear that collared shirts were expected.

I do not think that I ever learned that he was a person who forced himself on women. He was just your average cheater.

He has clearly worked hard to take advantage of some athletic skill and recover from injury.

In our house we were neutral about his win. Did not bring joy or dismay. We watched some skill

But of course, we rarely watch pro golf anymore....those people who have played with Trump. There is no way to respect that.

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Response to watoos (Reply #26)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:46 AM

49. The PGA ruled nearly 20 years ago that a mock turtle neck is technically a collar

the shirts were a throw back to his early days on the tour when he wore them of most of his major victories.

Perhaps you can't because your local course has stricter local rules. We can wear them at our course.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #49)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:36 AM

60. Yes and they changed the rule to include "apparel marketed as gold attire"

This change was made when Nike started supplying David Duval with the wicking T-shirt’s.

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Response to watoos (Reply #26)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:13 AM

53. Maybe because he is Tiger Woods, and you are not?

I hope this does not come as too much of a surprise, but celebrity does have its advantages.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:56 AM

27. Male-based cultures rank people on a ladder

The ladder is for men to jockey for position on the ladder. Once Tiger Woods was at the top, then he fell off, got back on the ladder, and WOW now is at the top rung again.

So the story is The Comeback Kid. How fell down the ladder or off the ladder doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if he is a better person in any other way.

All that matters is the ladder, your place on it, and that you show proper respect for the guys (its a male thing and it tend to be awkward when women climb the ladder) above you on the ladder, especially the one on the top rung. The guys above you can dump on you but you can't really dump upward because of the law of gravity.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:59 AM

29. How do you feel about Bill Clinton or JFK's philandering?

Did you forgive them?

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Response to progressoid (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:25 AM

42. Both those presidents were

qualified for the position, and really DID win the vote.

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #42)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:22 AM

56. So the fact that they both had affairs is immaterial as long as the people supported them?

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Response to progressoid (Reply #56)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:49 AM

87. No, not at all.

However both were intelligent, surrounded themselves with QUALIFIED people and took the job seriously. They had GOOD qualities. Name one good quality tRump has? Just one? Both were respected worldwide. tRump is a laughingstock. A clown.

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #87)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:05 PM

140. I thought we were talking about Tiger Woods?

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Response to progressoid (Reply #140)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 07:08 PM

141. I was.

Someone else changed the subject. I was defending the previous Presidents against a person who obviously thinks tRump is a "good guy"

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Response to progressoid (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:55 AM

91. No. Was I supposed to?

I voted for both of them (my being old and all). I didn't know about JFK's philadering when I voted for him. I did know about Clinton's and I loaded most of the blame on him as he was the most powerful man in the world and could have easily had Monica stopped before she got to his office. That said, I did not feel he should have been impeached. Impeachment is not a remedy for that purpose, IMO.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #91)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:11 PM

117. That's cool.

All three had a hard time keeping their pants zipped. Yet we name institutions after JFK and hold him up as one of our best Presidents. And Clinton is equally lionized in the party and the world.
So it seems only fair that we treat Woods the same as Clinton and JFK; acknowledge his achievements while ignoring his extracurricular activities. OR, we can treat Clinton and JFK like the philanderer Woods is.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #117)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:16 PM

119. Let's just say he shot a good game and leave JFK and Clinton out of it.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #29)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:48 PM

157. It was up to Hillary and Jackie to forgive them, not me, not you. nt

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #157)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:35 PM

162. I agree. n/t

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:01 AM

30. I think tRump loves him more for being an adulterer than just being a good golfer...

He had his twitter feed full of Tiger yesterday...

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:02 AM

31. I don't really follow this stuff

but from the comments it looks like he had an affair? That’s not a big deal, honestly, and nobody’s business outside the limits of his marriage. Honestly, extra-marital affairs are sufficiently ubiquitous that getting worked up over them is more than I can muster.

Now if he harassed somebody or something similar, that’s another issue. As I said, I don’t really follow most athletes outside of a very limited real of sporting interests, so Woods could be more of an asshole than I realize.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #31)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:49 AM

70. It was more than "an affair".

He was (and may still be) a serial philanderer, and there were accusations of abuse from his wife. I didn't follow the story that closely--maybe someone here can fill in the blanks better than I--but it was definitely more than just "an affair".

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Response to kag (Reply #70)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:44 AM

86. If he was actually abusive then fuck him,

but being a “serial philanderer” is not my business and I genuinely don’t care.

Abuse, obviously, is a different issue.

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Response to kag (Reply #70)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:31 PM

149. Where the hell are you getting this from? You're making shit up.

His wife was the abusive one. Chasing him with a golf club and smashing windows. For Christ sakes. He slept with waitresses who knew he was married.

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Response to kag (Reply #70)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:43 PM

155. Tiger Woods can never be compared to Albert Schweitzer, but there were NEVER any

abuse allegations against him. He just basically screwed everything that moved behind his wife's back.

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #155)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:18 AM

163. My bad.

And I apologize. No facetiousness here, just mea culpa. You're right. The stories of physical abuse I was remembering were never verified, nor even pursued.

That said, his relationships were pretty fucked up back in the day. As the child of a serial philanderer I will admit to having my own biases toward emotional and mental "issues" when marriages go so badly off the rails.

I will give him his golf game. That's all.

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Response to kag (Reply #70)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:44 PM

156. Nope. He was not abusive to his wife. It is rumored however that she clocked him with a 6 iron...

when she found out about the affairs.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:15 AM

36. isn't he divorced ? and it's not really our business

and I don't like tiger woods.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:25 AM

43. Exactly what I was thinking!

No! Don't join in the celebration.

I have experience with betrayal and it was not a good feeling to see everyone celebrating him, and his remarks seemed a bit like
self pity. I haven't read this thread yet, so please excuse if my remarks seem irrelevant.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:25 AM

44. I don't see why his personal failings have anything to do with his golfing talent/skill.

Maybe I'm not as familiar w/his failings as others. So he ran around on his wife, who had little ones at home? So do many men. The behavior hurts people deeply, ruins lives, and is abhorrent. But separate from his skill/talent.

You don't have to pass a character test to play golf, or box, or play tennis. Ali certainly ran around on his wives. Schwarzenegger was a player, who 2-timed gfs, while winning bodybuilding contests.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:33 AM

45. I think you can celebrate his win without throwing mud at him AND it doesn't mean all is forgiven

You don't have to throw dirt at him every day of the year. Just because you are not trashing his winning bubble doesn't mean that all is forgiven. It is not an either/or situation. Isn't it possible just to enjoy him coming back in his golf game?
What does his golf game talent have to do with his private life? In all his earlier wins, we didn't have to check in with his wife and kids. Why now? People may have greatness in one area of their lives. It doesn't mean they are great in EVERY area of their lives. Be inspired with the good. It doesn't mean you have lost your discriminative faculties.

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #45)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:20 PM

103. My answer to your second question is, IMO, nothing. His golf game is his golf game and I don't

really care. If the coverage I saw had limited it to that I wouldn't have written this post.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:35 AM

47. Yes, you're being picky

1. Who gives a shit what the "other women" were thinking? They had their fun, they were well compensated for their time and they got their 15 minutes of fame, which is probably a damn sight better that what they deserved to get...

2. The wifey got a $500 million parting gift in the divorce which means that Tiger Woods had the *most* expensive side chicks in recorded history.

3. Tiger already got asked those same questions damn near every day for 18 months after the incident...

4. It was over a decade ago... Leave it alone and move on?

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #47)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:38 PM

150. You know a lot more than I do. I never heard of the $500million payout.

I never paid any attention to those questions you reference.

But I do watch Morning Joe and learned things I never knew about this guy who I couldn't care less about. Yes, I wondered after hearing reference to the other women what they might have felt. So sue me, as the old "guys and dolls" song goes.

As you say, it was old news (for me, non news).

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:42 AM

48. I'm going to celebrate by buying as many hookers and doing as much coke as I can!

"A tradition unlike any other"

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Response to Va Lefty (Reply #48)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:50 AM

50. Save the receipts. You might be able to deduct those as medical expenses. NT

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:09 AM

51. We should be celebrating people turning their lives around.

The dude had major issues that nearly killed him...he destroyed his life, and his image...and came back from that with a renewed focus on family and being a better person and proved that he's still an amazing athlete.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:25 AM

58. You are honoring the women, but...

The guy seems to have made an the effort to change, and it's been years. So if you think you might be being unfair to him in the process, you might be if you aren't letting him feel happy because he made a huge mistake in the past.

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Response to zaj (Reply #58)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:22 PM

104. Yes, he might. I was writing about the coverage of him on this particular show.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:37 AM

61. NO -- You are being realistic

Tiger Woods is a despicable human being. I knew this long before his affairs became public knowledge. I knew this because of how he treated the little people around him on a daily basis.

Tiger knew where his bread was buttered and was ALWAYS nice to the press, so they painted a positive picture of him. But the real measure of character is how you act when you think no one is watching. I worked at a convenience store near the hotel that golfers were put up for a tournament. I was told by many waitresses how Tiger would belittle them, yell at them, and stiff them with no tip on huge bills (including a $1200 meal with NO TIP). She was my friend and that messed up her tip ratio and taxes for an entire month. The same for bell hops, valets, and all the other service industry folks who did not write glowing articles about him.

He was an awful person who did awful things to a lot of “invisible” folks on the way up. To see the press ignore that still pains me.

My dad taught me to be careful who you step on as you go up, because they might step on you on the way down. Tiger’s dad apparently taught him, be nice to reporters so that they can minimize the impact of your behavior as they tell people to like you and to treat the people who do not have a microphone or sports column like dirt, because they will never matter to you or your sponsors anyway.

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Response to JT45242 (Reply #61)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:58 AM

93. That is really disturbing.

I can't stand people like that. I know too many people like that in real life who are all too charming and pleasant around the "right" people but treat everyone else (who can do nothing for them) like shit. It is a character trait I despise more than almost any other. People like that are complete phonies. It would explain why he worships someone like Donald Trump.

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Response to JT45242 (Reply #61)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:11 PM

100. I had no idea that he did all that. Thanks for putting it out there here on DU.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #100)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:21 AM

147. You still have no idea that any of that is true.

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Response to JT45242 (Reply #61)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 06:59 AM

143. Why should anyone believe you?

Do you have a single shred of evidence that what you just wrote is true?

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Response to Vinnie From Indy (Reply #143)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:51 AM

145. I know, right? People can write anything on du and posters will believe it.

Especially if it suits their purposes.

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Response to JT45242 (Reply #61)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:52 AM

146. Curious which hotel and which tournament?

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Response to JT45242 (Reply #61)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:54 PM

158. Don't know if I believe that. Word gets out on golfers who stiff people. Matt Kucher was roundly...

trashed just recently for stiffing his Mexican caddy after a win in Mexico. Caddy's normally get ten percent of a golfer's winnings. Kucher paid his caddy 5k after winning over a million.

It got out immediatedly and he was so shamed that he paid the caddy decently.

I'm a big golf fan and I never heard any thing of the sort you describe about Tiger. That stuff gets out if it's true.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:42 AM

64. He is who he is

Tiger Woods has made a lot of bad decisions in his life. It has cost him, and the people around him quite a bit. He has also had serious health problems that he has fought his way through.
I'm not interested in judging his personal life. That's up to him.
He gets to work out his problems, or not, with the ones he has hurt.
On the other hand, he has always been a charismatic player. Some people are...I can't explain that.
But I can enjoy seeing an old pro come back from injury and win the big one.
It's a Hollywood script if ever I saw one.
Way to go Tiger!

Patrick Phillips

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:44 AM

65. Tiger Woods, the golfer?

Not your priest, spiritual guide, your godfather or your dad or some other moral guide in your life? Tiger Woods? The professional golfer who cheated on his wife with multiple consenting adults some number of years ago has got some people in a liberal discussion site gnashing their teeth and wringing their hands because his golf game is back and . . . ah f*ck it. Let’s just stone the guy and let our collective healing begin.

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Response to OneBro (Reply #65)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:34 PM

108. I don't care about his golf game and am not a fan of stoning folks...

for god's sake, get hold of yourself...

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:44 AM

66. Who cares about his personal life?

Tiger Woods is one of the five greatest golfers ever. It's amazing to see him play and win a major tournament at age 43.

I do not look to athletes or celebrities for my moral guidance. Equally important, I'm not the least bit interested in their personal lives.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:46 AM

67. You can respect the athelete but not the man if you want

Yesterday's accomplishment shows his resilience in many ways. He rebuilt his life after hitting rock bottom. What kind of person he is deep down inside now - I don't know him to make that call.

But, winning that title the way he did was impressive. That does not mean all is forgiven for those he hurt along the way in the past and it is up to them to handle that part. That doesn't mean others can't have an opinion but forgiveness is not mine to give.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:47 AM

68. Wasn't he the victim of some domestic violence event involving his wife?

I can't remember all the details but I thought Elin attacked him and then he went out got in his car and crashed into a tree.

If she had killed him, would you still be crying for her?

I don't care if he cheated with a 100 women, she shouldn't have abused him. And none of these women were victims. They were adults and the relationships were consensual.

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Response to SweetieD (Reply #68)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:36 PM

109. Oh, I agree with what you just wrote in this post. You are arguing with nobody.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:51 AM

71. He won it fair and square. Doesn't make him a hero or a punk.

But maybe he is both a hero and a punk at the same time. It happens.

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #71)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:38 PM

110. I don't regard him as a "hero" nor do I say he's a punk.

This thread has lost touch with what I wrote...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #110)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:42 PM

112. Sorry but you used the term "hero" and implied the "punk" part.

Heat, kitchens, etc.

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #112)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:53 PM

114. Lawdy miss Clawdy, I don't even use the term "punk."

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:05 AM

73. He brought most of his problems on himself

His father also has a measure of blame here (maybe his mother to).

I'm not a golf fan (other than my car) so I really don't know...but seems I have not seen any humbleness and contrition...but maybe I just haven't paying attention.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:10 AM

74. No, you aren't being "picky" and I agree with you 100%.

Every darned station is playing this like he's some sort of hero. He's no hero in my mind.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:10 AM

75. This whole topic seems ridiculous

I am a little shocked at how casually some folks are acting like Tiger did something awful and unforgivable. This has nothing to do with the metoo movement. Tiger cheated ran around on his wife. He did not sexually assault someone nor sexually harass anyone. He was a cad. An adulterer. Something that millions in this country male and female are guilty of.

Something that has always troubled me was how overwhelming the downfall and fall from grace was for a very common thing with rich beautiful male and female celebrities. And it was a 100 percent race related due to golf being still a white man’s sport. The pre MAGA crowd back in the day were all over it and the reaction was over the top from fans and the media. You think Tiger was only sports star with kids who has got divorced the last 10 years due to infidelity? Of course not.

Yet here we are discussing if he should be forgiven because of “all the women” he mis treated like he was a monster.

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Response to cubbies01 (Reply #75)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:39 AM

84. This.

I totally agree. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Response to cubbies01 (Reply #75)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 07:01 AM

144. +1000

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:14 AM

76. Men do not cheat alone.

There is always a woman involved who willingly did so with the cheater. The numerous women who cheated with Woods knew he was married and still engaged in a relationship with him. So they are just as much at fault as Woods.

Woods hurt his family. That was on him. If man cheats with another man's wife that is as much on her as with the cheater.

The point is, women are as much to blame as men. They are not innocent. If a women is stupid enough to cheat with a married man, she is a fool. Yet the focus seems to be only on the man. That smacks of women still being a man's "property".

It is not up to us to forgive him. It is up to the immediate people he hurt to do so. His personal life has nothing to do with his golf skills.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:28 AM

80. So he cheated on his wife, who divorced him, and he later got a DUI for driving on medication.

Obviously he needs to be ostracized for the remainder of his life.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:32 AM

81. No need to forgive anything. I don't think he seeks MY forgiveness, anyway.

Celebrate the skill at golf, if that means anything. I don't think the word "hero" applies.

I was rooting for Molinari.

I give Jon Rahm the "sounds like the golf game of JustABozoOnThisBus" award, for using the word "motherfucker" on a live mic after an errant tee shot.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:34 AM

82. No Matter How High Mankind Soars, There Is Always a Negative Nellie Waiting to Rain on His Parade!

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Response to DoctorJoJo (Reply #82)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:59 AM

94. Crabs in a bucket.

That is what I call it.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:39 AM

83. When I am watching a sporting event, a movie,a symphony or an opera

that is all I am interested in. Richard Wagner's music was banned in Israel but now it is being played sometimes. When I talk about Tiger and golf and I say that he has many problems that might keep another player sidelined, I am talking about medical problems. There have been many sports figures who outside of sports were no better than Tiger, but I hear less of their misdeeds. I don't want to be banned so I won't say why.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:54 AM

90. For the holier-than-thou crowd...where do you stand on Tom Brady and fidelity?

While he romanced and bedded his model wife, his then actress girlfriend was impregnated and carrying his child...yet I don't recall this kind of hate being freely tossed at him in February when the Patriots won again.

Hmmm...isn't it odd that the white guy cheater gets a pass and the black / mixed race guy cheater has to be in sackcloth and ashes forever? Funny how that seems to work in the USA...

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Response to Moostache (Reply #90)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:02 PM

96. Actually, I hate Tom Brady for numerous reasons.

The fact that he treated the mother of his first child like dirt was only one of them. I can't stand the guy. I actually like Tiger better than Tom Brady. Something about Brady's smug attitude and complete lack of humor just rubs me the wrong way.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:01 PM

95. Tiger is a porn-addicted marriage cheat, not a rapist or sexual assaulter

He's a dog, and has been publicly and rightfully dragged for his infidelities and peccadilloes. But I don't lace him in the pariah camp like a Kevin Spacey or Louis CK.

If he's truly gotten his shit back together, then I wish him well, and hope he stays on the path.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #95)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:45 PM

151. He owned it. Let him go on with his life

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:03 PM

97. I have a different perspective than I did years ago.

A close relative of mine discovered her husband was a sex addict a few years ago. I've known both of them for a very long time and love them both. And it was clear to me how much they love each other. He positively adores her, in fact. So this was a huge shock and a really hard thing to understand. But they worked through it, and he has worked SO HARD on himself to understand his addiction, its root causes and how to avoid the pitfalls for the rest of his life. I firmly believe he is changed and I am so rooting for both of them.

Now, his addiction didn't go as far as Tiger's, but then he doesn't have the incredible wealth and access to beautiful women who are attracted to such wealth. I imagine it was all so easy for Tiger, like opening up a web browser.

So there is part of me that wants to hope that Tiger has worked on this addiction and is making his amends and his way. Who knows, maybe he's not. Maybe his a total asshole. I don't know him. But I know it is possible.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:06 PM

98. His wounds were entirely self inflicted

The problem is the sport of golf is for a socio-economic group who are naturally drawn to the Republican Party and/or the elite which tend not to be very progressive nor at the same time get very moralistic.

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #98)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:40 PM

111. Yup, "Entirely Self Inflicted".



Tiger Woods' injury timeline

Tiger Woods' ailments are well documented throughout his career, starting in his collegiate days and continuing throughout his nearly 20 years on the PGA Tour.

The following graphic is a list of Woods' surgeries prior to his second microdiscectomy operation in Sept. 2015.


I'm reading a lot of stupid shit in this thread but this line of thought is probably the worst.

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Response to jayfish (Reply #111)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:37 PM

115. Wow, I never knew all of that.

Thanks for posting. Changes the POV, doesn't it?

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #115)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:42 PM

116. A Professionsal Golf Swing...

is not a natural body movement. It takes a toll and to return to championship form after such a history is incredible.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #115)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:31 PM

124. Well, Trump identifies with him

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #124)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:43 PM

125. So what?

Are we supposed to hate everyone Trump likes?

This shit of condemning people who are non-politicians is getting old. Both left and right are at fault. Look at what happened with The Dixie Chicks. They were a big hit with the Right, until they dissed Bush, then they were traitors. Many on the left hated country music until The Dixie Chicks, then they were the greatest thing around.

What I look at is their performance or ability in their field, NOT their political POV.

What is next? Do we have to pass some sort of political purity test to get and hold a job?

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #125)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:48 PM

127. He had a bad back and cheated on his wife

He didn't come back from war.

He didn't get t-boned by a drunk driver.

And he still hobknobs with the Orange Menace.

The hero worship today is sickening.

He didn't change the world like his father wanted. He's just a great golfer and a jerk. End of story.

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #127)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:57 PM

129. He is "just a great golfer".

Yes that is correct. The rest is irrelevant to his ability to play golf. Period.

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #127)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:59 PM

130. I'd Wager He's Done More For The World Than You or I Ever Will.

Who cares if he voted for, likes or fellates Donald Trump.

Timeline of African-American achievements in golf

1997: Tiger Woods becomes first African-American to win the Masters as well as the youngest winner, and his 12-stroke margin of victory also sets a new Masters record. He goes on to win the PGA Tour money title for the first time, and captures his first PGA of America Player of the Year Award and PGA Tour Player of the Year Award. He also ascends to the No. 1 spot in the world ranking for the first time, but stays there only a week.

1999: Bill Dickey is honored as the PGA Distinguished Service Award winner.

2000: Tiger Woods wins the U.S. Open and British Open to become the youngest player to complete the career Grand Slam. He goes on to win nine times on the PGA Tour in 2000 alone.

2000: Dr. Obie Bender, president of the Clearview Legacy Foundation, becomes the second African-American to serve on the PGA Board of Directors.

2001: Tiger Woods wins the Masters to complete the "Tiger Slam," giving him all four major championship trophies at the same time.

2001: William Powell's Clearview Golf Club is named a National Historic Site.

2003: Renee Powell is named The PGA's First Lady of Golf.

2004: Charlie Sifford becomes the first African-American to be inducted into the World Golf Hall of Fame.

2005: Tiger Woods reassumes the No. 1 spot in the world ranking, and has yet to fall out of that spot, a total of 245 straight weeks.

2006: Tiger Woods opens his Tiger Woods Learning Center in Anaheim, Calif.

2006: Charlie Sifford becomes the first African-American golfer to receive an Honorary Doctorate of Laws from the University of St. Andrews in Scotland.

2007: Charlie Sifford receives the Old Tom Morris Award, the highest honor bestowed by the Golf Course Superintendents Association of America.

2008: Renee Powell becomes the first female African-American golfer to receive an Honorary Doctorate of Laws from the University of St. Andrews in Scotland.

2008: Junior Bridgeman becomes the third African-American to serve on the PGA Board of Directors, following a former NBA standout career and becoming a respected restaurant entrepreneur.

2009: The Northern Trust Open in Los Angeles creates "the Charlie Sifford Exemption" for a player who represents the advancement of diversity in golf.

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Response to jayfish (Reply #130)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:01 PM

131. Sidling up to a man who will do more to destroy black America than anyone?

Welp, who cares if you can't get healthcare, eat or get a fair trial? At least you can golf anywhere now.

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #131)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:11 PM

132. Jesus Christ!

It's not about where he can golf. He can golf anywhere he wants. And as far as "Sidling up"; here is the extent of his comments:

"Well, I've known Donald for a number of years." "We've played golf together. We've had dinner together. I've known him pre-presidency and obviously during his presidency." "He's the President of the United States. You have to respect the office. No matter who is in the office, you may like, dislike personality or the politics, but we all must respect the office."


Is there anything in those words so disagreeable as to foment such hate? It's pretty standard stuff and IMO he shouldn't have been asked about Trump at all. It was disrespectful.

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Response to jayfish (Reply #132)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:15 PM

133. It's "disrespectful" to even ask him about Trump?

A guy he's golfed with as recently as six months ago?

LOL. Okay.

Have a nice day.

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Reply #133)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:25 PM

136. Yes, it is.

Whats next? Interrupt everyone who has ever played golf with Trump at their places of employment and ask them WTF's up with that? Should we ask cooks and service staff why they would ever have the audaciously to serve the man? ..while they are working?

"Have a nice day".

Oh, you out? Yeah, I've conjured up some, ill-conceived, dead-end arguments and wanted to move away from them as quickly as possible too. I feel ya.

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Response to jayfish (Reply #111)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:30 PM

123. Yeah, back injuries made me cheat on my wife.

Thanks for the info.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:10 PM

99. Why is it that society needs to enforce Tiger Woods's morality?

He seems to be a major scumbag. Is it because we hate when good things happen to bad people, when it’s supposed to be the opposite? Would be better if he ran the apology gambit, coordinated by a PR team?

Why do we care? It’s a general question.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:15 PM

101. Obama is okay with it




Congratulations, Tiger! To come back and win the Masters after all the highs and lows is a testament to excellence, grit, and determination.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:19 PM

102. He promotes a sport which poisons streams and rivers


I don’t care about his personal life, but I don’t forgive him for playing golf.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:27 PM

107. His personal problems in life are not for us to forgive.

He bounced back in a game that seemed to have left him behind. He did well and we can congratulate him.

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Response to Inkfreak (Reply #107)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:11 PM

118. Of course. It's fine that he won the game.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:19 PM

120. Or you could be like me and give zero fucks about professional golf.

You could tell me that a serial killer is winning the Masters and I wouldn't care. Although that I might watch!

But otherwise professional golf is just..

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Response to Initech (Reply #120)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:23 PM

122. Golf is really boring. I dunno how people even play it.

However, golf is the least of it with Trump (Other than the jokes).

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #122)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:47 PM

126. I have no problems playing golf.

It's watching other people play golf where I would literally rather do just about anything else. Hell, I would rather have a root canal than watch the Masters.

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Response to Initech (Reply #126)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:43 PM

168. If you play you can pick up tips watching the pros. I for one learned that in the backswing...

one shouldn't do anything with the right arm but let it bend naturally as the shoulders turn.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #122)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:12 PM

161. Actually playing golf with others of equal ability is fun. You're out in nature. There's wildlife...

on the course. Many courses have creeks and ponds. You joke around with your golf buddies and crack up at their bad shots. They do the same at your's.

It's not bad. I play at public courses that don't cost an arm and a leg. Try it. I warn you though. golf is very difficult even though the ball is just sitting right there and not moving like a tennis ball or baseball or hockey puck.

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Response to brush (Reply #161)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:52 AM

166. I used to walk on a footpath through the Yale Golf Course here in New Haven. It was about 3

blocks from my house. The design was of the woodland type of course IIRC and it was just beautiful. Lots of walkers in the neighborhood used it. I don't do that much walking any more (but I should)...

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Response to Initech (Reply #120)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:22 PM

135. amen.. right up there with baseball & tennis

for me

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:21 PM

134. The escapades of humans should probably be filed in the "Shit Happens" file

True, he was a cad, an adulterer, a liar, etc..But MANY ordinary men (and women) have also been there-done that.

The internet and cable news has elevated these sins to the nth degree.

People who seek fame are always subject to intense scrutiny, so they have to expect turmoil when they fail, but in the overall scheme of things, it must suck to always seeking forgiveness in exchange for the cash that goes along with the fame..

It's truly a bargain with the devil

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Response to happy feet (Reply #137)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 03:44 PM

138. Oh, I agree with you. It was the report on Morning Joe I was talking about.

It was really a passing thought in my head...but so many here on DU had fits over my passing remark and I was a bit taken aback...

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 05:13 PM

139. I'm indifferent

I don't follow golf. I find it the most "red" of sports and have no desire to attend an event and surround myself with country club type folks. Augusta has proven itself to be a good ol' boys club with now a couple of token members. That said, prior to this weekend I had the understanding his training was going well and was looking to make a return to the scene. I was at a pub Friday after work and he was on TV.

I'm impressed he was able to rehab his physical ailments to return to the pinnacle of his sport. As a weekend athlete myself, I've dealt with injuries and it's a bear to return to the previous performance level. But that's it. His personal life is his issue, suck as the case with Clinton.

My "beef" with Tiger hasn't been mentioned yet on this thread. Just to add on to Post #61 from above. It was back when Casey Martin was trying to play on the tour. It is my understanding Tiger and Casey were teammates/roommates at Stanford. Casey was getting all kinds of flack from the purists for wanting an exemption from the walking requirement, which I can understand their POV. However, I thought this was an opportunity for Tiger to step up and help out a friend. Yet, he was nowhere to be seen or heard. Probably didn't want to hurt his Q-rating.

Tiger is no Arthur Ashe.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 06:51 AM

142. Your post reflects more negatively on your character than Tiger's.

Please explain how you know so much about his personal life?

Do you have firsthand knowledge of his relationships with his ex-wife or children or anyone he is close to?

Do you have even a shred of knowledge about his efforts to learn and grow from his mistakes?

No, you simply have "nagging thoughts".

For someone who taking cheap shots at others, you might want to get your most basic facts straight. FYI - Tiger is not married.

You set up a straw man when you say "He gets to be the hero again and all is forgiven". Forgiven by who? You? Please tell us what information you have about Tiger's personal growth over the last decade.

In fact, I would venture that you know next to nothing about Tiger Woods.


Well, at least you got noticed.


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Response to Vinnie From Indy (Reply #142)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:00 PM

148. Read my original post. I got the information I was talking about on Morning Joe.

That was the show that presented the story about his redeeming himself, and coming to grips with his infidelity. What I presented was what I saw on that show. I added nothing factual. I then presented my opinion on what I saw.

Read first, then comment, Vinny. It's better that way.

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Response to Vinnie From Indy (Reply #142)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 08:49 PM

152. A lot of church ladies chiming in

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:55 PM

159. Tiger Woods has shown the world that he is a narcissistic prick.

Being a great athlete does not change that.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 10:02 PM

160. He is a jerk and worse

He is trash. I just can't understand all the "Hero Worship" of the man. I despise him and everything he stands for.

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Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:20 PM

167. He's pals with Trump, so fuck him.

Has he done anything else positive for humanity other than whack a tiny ball into a hole in the ground?

I never got the hero worship for athletes. I admire LeBron James and Colin Kaepernick not because they throw a ball around but because they try to help the less fortunate and bring attention to issues of social injustice. Woods plays golf with a sexual predator.

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