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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 06:16 AM

Normalised right wing racist nasty called out....



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Reply Normalised right wing racist nasty called out.... (Original post)
Soph0571 Apr 15 OP
marble falls Apr 15 #1
MrScorpio Apr 15 #2
IronLionZion Apr 15 #3
Soph0571 Apr 15 #7
ananda Apr 15 #4
safeinOhio Apr 15 #5
CaptYossarian Apr 15 #6
Lonestarblue Apr 15 #8
better Apr 15 #10
world wide wally Apr 15 #9
0rganism Apr 15 #11
robbob Apr 15 #14
The Mouth Apr 15 #16
0rganism Apr 16 #25
robbob Apr 16 #26
TygrBright Apr 15 #12
uponit7771 Apr 15 #13
TeamPooka Apr 15 #15
robbob Apr 15 #17
TeamPooka Apr 15 #19
saidsimplesimon Apr 15 #18
Soph0571 Apr 15 #21
rwsanders Apr 15 #23
saidsimplesimon Thursday #27
Ferrets are Cool Apr 15 #20
athena Apr 15 #22
garybeck Apr 16 #24

Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 07:55 AM

1. Truer words ....

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:12 AM

2. America and racism are so intertwined...

That when a black person protests against racism, a lot of people will come along and accuse that person of being against America.

Hence, where the phrase, “Go back to Africa,” comes from.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:22 AM

3. Many conservatives openly speak out against affirmative consent

so they might put you on with a pro-rape activist claiming feminists have castrated masculine men

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:56 AM

7. Yes. That is a big difference between the UK and the US

Normalising rape is not a thing in the UK in the same way. Some may try it from time to time but get shot down really quickly

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:27 AM

4. Yes

I agree that racism has been completely normalized here in America. Racist people and racist language are given a voice nearly everywhere in the media, politics, and life. Many harmful actions that are driven by racism are considered extra-legal. One example is murder by police.

Another big concern is the way rape and sexual assault are considered extra-legal for certain people who are rich, powerful, and mostly Republican -- Brett Kavanaugh and MF45 are primary examples, though certainly not the only ones. This is a very bad state of affairs and describes a big part of our post-democratic fascist world now!

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:48 AM

5. Strange days be these.

Racism, ignorance and uneducated is not only accepted, they are now touted by large groups. Strange days.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:53 AM

6. Trump, Kavanaugh, Cosby, and Weinstein are pro-rape--according to their actions.

So is Assange.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:05 AM

8. The media has allowed racism to be normalized.

Trump’s blatant claim from the White House after the Charlottesville murder by white nationalists that both sides have good people excused racism as a legitimate position. The media claimed outrage for a couple of days and then it became more of that attitude that it’s just Trump and he’s a different kind of president. He is an abnormal president and far too much of his outrageous behavior has just been excused as being different.

When Trump attacked political correctness, what he was attacking were the standards of civility and decency in the way we treat other people. What his supporters saw was that he approved of open racism and nasty treatment of anyone who dared to be different. The media never even challenged his claims about political correctness—it’s was just about saying Merry Christmas. Yet, when Hillary Clinton talked about the racism and nastiness of Trump and his supporters and called them deplorables (a stupid comment and unforced error), the media played that clip over and over and over. We need a fairness doctrine and we need to go back to limiting ownership of media outlets to get better news.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:25 AM

10. In fairness, I think we as a society have also allowed it to be normalized, even if unknowingly.

I often discuss the concept that one need not actually be racist in order to perpetuate racism. They need only be unaware that the beliefs upon which they base their support for policy are themselves rooted in racism, whether they share it or not. We can very easily fall victim to perpetuating racism even simply by not realizing that, how, and why we are.

And you raise an incredibly important and timely point about the intersection of the disdain for political correctness and the decline of civility and decency, along which lines I make the following observation of actual definitions:

po·lit·i·cal cor·rect·ness
/pəˈlidəkəl kəˈrek(t)nəs/
noun

the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.

tact
/takt/
noun

adroitness and sensitivity in dealing with others or with difficult issues.

The observant need not consider those definitions very long to realize that they are in very closely related, if not pretty much the same thing.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:08 AM

9. Sensational tv shows like Jerry Springer used to have racists like George Lincoln Rockwell on,

but even they decided it was an unhealthy thing and have stopped giving them a microphone.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:23 AM

11. mainstreaming racism

the Overton window has shifted

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:02 PM

14. Thanks for introducing me to that term!

Sounds very similar to what Noam Chomsky spoke about in Manufacturing Consent (late 80’s), which he referred to as the range of acceptable dissent, or something like that. One example that he illustrated very exhaustively was media discussion of the Vietnam war. The range of opinion allowed on network tv ranged from the view that the war could have been won if public support and military resources had allowed them to “finish the job” (shudder), to the view that the war was a mistake, a bad strategic move that cost America many lives and dollars. The view that was NOT ever allowed to be discussed was that the war was fundamentally, morally wrong. The wholesale slaughter of 6-10 million Vietnamese (and Cambodians, and others), many of whom were children, elderly and civilians, could not be framed as morally wrong, even evil. That view was outside the acceptable bounds of discussion, and still is to this day, in mainstream media.

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Response to robbob (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:22 PM

16. And much the same regarding Iraq

It is acceptable on most media to opine that it was a strategic mistake to go to war in Iraq, but if one compares the morality of killing hundreds of thousands of innocent citizens of a sovereign nation that did not attack us to similar actions taken by the Third Reich or communist China you are beyond the pale.

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Response to robbob (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:36 AM

25. here's a video essay with a direct look at how mainstreaming bigotry works

important to note that mainstreaming is a morally neutral cultural process, and it works "both ways". the examples the narrator starts with to illustrate the concept are drawn from normalization of minority genders within society, through both alliances and movement politics, how a previously marginalized segment can become considered "normal", at least for a time.

Innuendo Studios -- The Alt-Right Playbook: Mainstreaming


so it's a bit different than what Chomsky was talking about, but definitely related. more like, how would you make the discussion of morality with respect to the Vietnam War as normal as a discussion of its economics. what's the process? how does it happen? how are online racists making use of it for their own ends?

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #25)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:50 AM

26. Thanks for that!

Interesting vid

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:23 AM

12. THANK YOU! Yes!!! n/t

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:26 PM

13. K&R,

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:16 PM

15. I wear a baseball cap that says "Make Racism Wrong Again"

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:31 PM

17. Beautiful!

Does it get comments?

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Response to robbob (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:03 PM

19. Yes it does. I have a tee shirt that says it too.

got them on amazon when I saw someone wearing the hat at the Parkland kids gun march last year.
Ordered them online while still marching in San Luis Obisbo.
Gotta love smart phones.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:47 PM

18. soph, Brexit is the brainchild of

that dirty (needs a bath, sleeps in his clothes, reminds me of Assange) rumpian monster Steve Bannon.

All this because right wingers blame immigrants for the lack of job opportunities? Where is the movement to train and create opportunities for those who need work and do not support mob rebellion?

IMHO

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:22 PM

21. All of that....n/t

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Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:08 PM

23. I saw something somewhere that said it is because jobs are no longer connected to work,

there are roads that need to be fixed, classes are too large in schools, etc., etc. But those jobs are not connected to profit.

So like most everything else, it comes down to the fact that we have a worldwide billionaire problem.
What was it JFK said: "those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable".

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Response to rwsanders (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 01:37 PM

27. What was it JFK said:

"those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable".

It is in the best interests of all economic classes to promote world peace. That does not include bowing down and kissing the fat ass of the monster currently barking orders. I will resist.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:15 PM

20. K and R with all my heart

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:14 PM

22. K&R

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:25 AM

24. and to that I say

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