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Sun Apr 14, 2019, 11:27 PM

Did Barr specifically say that he thought the FBI or Hillary campaign was "spying" on Trump campaign

???

Or did everyone assume that was what he meant?

"Spying" is the appropriate word to use when someone is referencing a foreign adversary.

Is it possible Barr was referring to Russian spies?

A lot of stuff is not adding up.

Rosenstein wants us to believe that Barr can be trusted. Why is he still helping Barr with the redactions? Why is Mueller still helping Barr?

It doesn't make sense...

Are we assuming more into Barr's words than what he actually said??

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Reply Did Barr specifically say that he thought the FBI or Hillary campaign was "spying" on Trump campaign (Original post)
kentuck Apr 14 OP
hedda_foil Apr 14 #1
kentuck Apr 14 #3
lame54 Apr 15 #9
elleng Apr 14 #2
DUgosh Apr 14 #4
kentuck Apr 14 #5
RDANGELO Apr 15 #6
rusty quoin Apr 15 #7
dawg day Apr 15 #8
rufus dog Apr 15 #10
hughee99 Apr 15 #14
SHRED Apr 15 #15
hughee99 Apr 15 #17
Grasswire2 Apr 15 #11
SHRED Apr 15 #16
SHRED Apr 15 #19
uponit7771 Apr 15 #12
kentuck Apr 15 #13
yellowcanine Apr 15 #18

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2019, 11:29 PM

1. No. He wanted to give that impression but hedged it strongly under questioning.

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Response to hedda_foil (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 14, 2019, 11:35 PM

3. What impression was he trying to give?

We know that Trump jumped all over his words as "total exoneration" and called the Democrats "treasonous".

But that just seems too obvious, for some odd reason?

I cannot reconcile Rosenstein's sudden change of heart?

Or Mueller's silence?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:55 AM

9. He was backing Trump when he said...

That Obama bugged him

Now Barr wants to look into it

Even though Barr had zip to back it up and it did get looked into when Trump made that obvious lie

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2019, 11:33 PM

2. Thanks for asking.

Lots of stuff not adding up.

FBI/CIA might be thought of as 'spying, and don't all campaigns do stuff like that?

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2019, 11:37 PM

4. Perhaps

There was a Russian presence in the campaign - “manipulating “ the “unwitting”

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Response to DUgosh (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 14, 2019, 11:40 PM

5. There is a lot of evidence of that...

The Russians were "spying" on the Trump campaign. The Trump campaign were "mostly" unwitting agents, except for a few now in prison or ready to go to prison.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:09 AM

6. I beleive he said it was the intelligence community.

I could be wrong.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:31 AM

7. Well, whatever he meant or not, I don't believe it was in the interest at the truth.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 12:47 AM

8. He was saying what Trump wanted him to say.

I certainly hope that the FBI director would finally stand up for his agents.

CIA too-- we know Barr's a lickspittle, but the agency heads-- don't they care that Trump is accusing their agents of a "coup?"

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 01:36 AM

10. Barr said the tRump campaign was being spied on

Now let me interpret for those who don't speak Assholese.

Russians under Fisa warrents were talking to the tRump campaign. So when Jr. and Jared were being traitorous assholes they would have been caught talking to the Russians.

So rather than being honest and saying "these fucking assholes were working with Russians who were under survellience, the spin is, "the tRump campaign was being spied on.

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:17 AM

14. So they have conversations on tape between Jr and Jared

And Russians, and we don’t have ANY charges?

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Response to hughee99 (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:29 AM

15. The fix is in

I trust none of them.
Including Mueller.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:38 AM

17. These conversations would have taken place before of just after the election.

If the Obama administration didn't do anything about them, then the fix really is in.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 02:55 AM

11. Read Seth Abramson's list of items.


He starts with the meeting Trump had with IC briefers on August 17 in the campaign.


1/ Did he tell his briefers about all the ways he knew his campaign had already been infiltrated and solicited?
2/ Did he reveal that he had a self-described “Kremlin intermediary” (George Papadopoulos) on his national security team?
3/ Did he reveal that his top national security adviser, Michael Flynn, had met with the Russian ambassador—and even Putin himself—in December 2015?
4/ Did he reveal that his national security adviser Carter Page had met with a Kremlin official in Moscow?
5/ Did he reveal that his campaign manager Paul Manafort had negotiated a key plank in the Republican platform with a Kremlin spy (Konstantin Kilimnik)?
6/ Did he reveal to his briefers that the Kremlin was trying to set up a secret summit with him?
7/ Did he tell his briefers—in fact—even the *smallest* piece of the veritable *mountain* of information he had about Russia’s covert activities, including outreach to him by Kremlin agents via Rick Dearborn, Paul Erickson, and others?
8/ Did he tell them about the deal he was secretly negotiating with the Kremlin and its agents for a multibillion-dollar tower in Moscow?
9/ When his briefers told him the Kremlin was trying to ingratiate itself with him, did he tell them about a Kremlin-connected Russian oligarch suspiciously overpaying him by *$54 million* for a house earlier this decade?
10/ Did he tell his briefers that a Russian oligarch tried to send hookers to his hotel room (a room he said he knew was wired for sound and audio) *after* he'd decided to run for office but *before* he'd announced?
11/ Did he tell his briefers that he'd secured land, funding, and permits for a tower in Moscow with Putin's favorite real estate guy as his partner in the deal?
12/ Did he reveal all the secret meetings his team had already had with Sergey Kislyak? Did he reveal all the business he'd done in Russia in the 2000s? Did he reveal Putin's invitation to the Olympics, or the invitation by Putin's builder's son to meet Putin at a birthday party?
13/ Did Flynn reveal to the briefers his secret plan to drop sanctions on Russia so that Russian companies could build nuclear reactors in the Middle East (once Trump had given U.S. nuclear tech to the Saudis and Emiratis)?
14/ The briefers had just told Trump that America was under attack—that his campaign was under attack. They wanted intel that could assist in their work. And we already know what Trump told them: no deals, no business, no nothing. He *lied to law enforcement* to cover for Russia.
15/ Why did Trump withhold *everything* he knew about the Russian plot—during the presidential campaign—to protect the Kremlin, even as he was being told that its crimes were ongoing? Why did he lie to U.S. law enforcement? Why did Michael Flynn? We *need* an answer—now. /end

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:31 AM

16. With all of this

Mueller couldn't come up with conspiracy or obstruction?

Smells real funny.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:41 AM

19. Thank you for this list

I tweeted it just now.


?s=19

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 04:15 AM

12. Or ... Barr is a straight up Flat Earther political hack?

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:24 AM

13. Here is a very thorough link:

He thinks spying "did occur" but he is not ready to open an investigation on the Intelligence agencies at this time. The Inspector General is investigating at present time. Mueller likely concluded that Russia "spied" on the Trump campaign.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/10/us/politics/barr-trump-campaign-spying.html

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:41 AM

18. He said, "I think there was spying" and refused to cite any evidence.

Carries about as much weight as saying "I read it on the internets."

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