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antigone382

(3,682 posts)
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 05:32 PM Aug 2012

Slate--Here Comes the Hillbilly, Again: What Honey Boo Boo really says about American culture.

A concise article that touches on the classism of the hillbilly stereotype and its history as a source of middle class American entertainment.

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2012/08/here_comes_honey_boo_boo_and_the_history_of_the_hillbilly_in_america_.html

"The hillbilly figure allows middle-class white people to offload the venality and sin of the nation onto some other constituency, people who live somewhere—anywhere—else. The hillbilly’s backwardness highlights the progress more upstanding Americans in the cities or the suburbs have made. These fools haven’t crawled out of the muck, the story goes, because they don’t want to."

"This idea that the hillbilly’s poverty is a choice allows more upscale Americans to feel comfortable while laughing at the antics before them. It also pushes some people to embrace the stereotype as a badge of honor."

(snip)

"And hillbilly stereotypes have always made it easier for middle-class whites to presume that racism is the exclusive province of “that kind” of person. As Ta-Nehisi Coates has written, “It is comforting to think of racism as species of misanthropy, or akin to child molestation, thus exonerating all those who bear no real hatred in their heart. It’s much more troubling to think of it as it’s always been—a means of political organization and power distribution.”

(more at link)


What this article does not do is point out the ways that contempt for the Southern poor has allowed their oppression and exploitation, a longstanding historical phenomenon that is most undeniable in the Appalachian coalfields, but by no means unique to that area.

I'll repeat: images like this one:



Or this one:



Or this one:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Nai6j0Wb_4c/SmTasoRa3EI/AAAAAAAAAWo/UcCYTzrdRsw/s400/Hillbilly%2Bbrothers.bmp

...(all of which I have seen on this and other progressive websites), serve no purpose except to define a group of people as subhuman and contemptible, by virtue of the very markers of their marginalization--poverty, substandard housing, poor education, lack of access to healthcare, few economic opportunities--while ignoring the historic orchestrations of business and government leaders to maintain this level of ignorance and destitution.

Disgust for "hillbillies" allows the middle and upper class to point to a contemptible "other," responsible for the racist, sexist, and regressive nature of our country's political order, despite the actual powerlessness of the people to whom such contempt is directed. To justify such classism through the comfortable assumption that people who look like this and live like this must deserve their fate because they "vote against their own interests" only extends the stereotype further. "Hillbillies"--generally defined as the poor whites of the South, especially the mountain south--are as diverse in their political and religious beliefs as any other social group.

And lest you think objection to these stereotypes is just over-zealous political correctness, addressing a crime for which there are no victims, I will point to the ways that the historic perception of Appalachian peoples and cultures is destroying lives, communities, and ecosystems today. The image below is of Judy Bonds, a native Wests Virginian, the daughter of two generations of coal miners, who turned into one of the fiercest activists against mountain-top removal mining after the stream that ran through the property her family had lived in for eight generations, where her grandchildren played, became choked with dead fish, and blackened with waste from a Massey Energy mine.



To see and hear Judy was to see and hear the very kind of person targeted and identified by the images and TV shows above as a subject of ridicule and contempt. A West Virginian ex-waitress was hardly a figure to be taken seriously, and outside of the anti-MTR movement, Judy was virtually unknown despite her tireless efforts and her boundless wisdom. And when she died of brain cancer in January of 2011 , like so many others who live in the coalfields (rates of cancer, like those of poverty, are particularly high in the towns and counties where MTR is practiced), almost nobody outside the movement, and perhaps a few relieved coal company CEO's, noticed or cared. The nearly 150-year exploitation of her region, and the poisoning and blasting of a group of people many in America view as disposable, continues.


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Slate--Here Comes the Hillbilly, Again: What Honey Boo Boo really says about American culture. (Original Post) antigone382 Aug 2012 OP
The first Mountain Dew commercial kentuck Aug 2012 #1
great find LiveNudePolitics Aug 2012 #3
They do proud2BlibKansan Aug 2012 #57
Thanks for another illustration of what I'm talking about. antigone382 Aug 2012 #7
That's as bad as the Frito Bandito add muntrv Aug 2012 #31
I'm from Western Pa LiveNudePolitics Aug 2012 #2
+1 antigone382 Aug 2012 #6
well if it makes you feel better arely staircase Aug 2012 #14
well if it makes you feel better LiveNudePolitics Aug 2012 #23
no problem arely staircase Aug 2012 #24
greenwich village performance art LiveNudePolitics Aug 2012 #62
never been to one arely staircase Sep 2012 #63
I'm a hillbilly (a real one - I'm from East Tennesse where the Fawke Em Aug 2012 #40
It depends on how it's said. antigone382 Aug 2012 #44
but they enjoy white privilege arely staircase Aug 2012 #4
Well, to some degree, I wouldn't necessarily say that they don't. antigone382 Aug 2012 #5
Well, if they voted right maybe we liberals wouldn't be so mean to them cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #8
I point you again to the example of Judy Bonds. antigone382 Aug 2012 #10
I'm sorry, but Pab Sungenis Aug 2012 #9
See post #10. n/t antigone382 Aug 2012 #11
Exactly.... ann--- Aug 2012 #12
Judy Bonds did not revel in ignorance. antigone382 Aug 2012 #13
but her opinions on mt removal are in the minority arely staircase Aug 2012 #16
Well of course they are. antigone382 Aug 2012 #18
thanks, i get where you are coming from arely staircase Aug 2012 #25
lol, I think that might have been a discussion between you and me... antigone382 Aug 2012 #38
Neither does my beloved wife, a sophisticated woman from eastern Tennessee. n/t Bertha Venation Aug 2012 #42
shows like "Bridezilla" target urban/city stereotypes along with the rural stereotypes Liberal_in_LA Aug 2012 #15
To me, shows like that, "The Real Wives of..." "bad girls club" etc. antigone382 Aug 2012 #17
I hear ya. I watched that documentary about Appalachia. It explained the source of one stereotype Liberal_in_LA Aug 2012 #20
True... ohheckyeah Aug 2012 #28
dump's not free. everytime you go you have to pay. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #35
We don't. ohheckyeah Aug 2012 #37
I'm in Maine and we have to pay to drop off certain items at the dump magical thyme Aug 2012 #49
The area I was talking about.... ohheckyeah Aug 2012 #56
we do. depends on jurisdiction & what you're dumping. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #55
Well, not everyone has access to a truck. antigone382 Aug 2012 #39
yep. big difference in poor rural areas and city in transportation availability. Another Liberal_in_LA Aug 2012 #43
Yep...used to catch a ride with friends, but it wasn't very easy... antigone382 Aug 2012 #58
I appreciate the responses to this thread, and will check back in tomorrow. antigone382 Aug 2012 #19
It always baffles me that people here in W.Va. celebrate the continuing Jesco White minstrel show Adenoid_Hynkel Aug 2012 #21
I just watched that mess on Netflix this morning, in fact. Codeine Aug 2012 #46
Great post. Reminds me of a few days ago when listening to a DJ on WDTW FM 106.7 muntrv Aug 2012 #22
Excellent article. Lifelong Protester Aug 2012 #26
For a corrective view, read Joe Bageant's "Deer Hunting with Jesus" Lydia Leftcoast Aug 2012 #27
America handed WV over to the coal industry and said "Here have your way with her." limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #29
For a better understanding...I do suggest everyone read Joe Bageant's books.. riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #30
thanks for the suggestion limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #32
Exactly. n/t antigone382 Aug 2012 #45
Outstanding post. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #33
Unfortunately, class bigotry is still considered more acceptable than racial bigotry eridani Aug 2012 #34
I get it all the time here in Montana sorefeet Aug 2012 #36
Thanks for all of the supportive responses... antigone382 Aug 2012 #41
Three of my Grandparents were "Hillbillies" who would have sooner eaten bees than vote Republican Burma Jones Aug 2012 #47
The words classy and sophisticated do not describe the Honey Boo Boo family. Initech Aug 2012 #48
The words classy and sophisticated also do not describe amusement based on class-based prejudice. nt antigone382 Aug 2012 #52
True. Initech Aug 2012 #54
No one held a gun to the heads of kurtzapril4 Aug 2012 #50
Well, she's six...so she doesn't really have a say either way. antigone382 Aug 2012 #53
Cute Doggy in the first pic! smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #51
I come from a long line of hillbillies, probably one of the first in this country, MadHound Aug 2012 #59
That photo with the two rednecks and the Rottweiler RebelOne Aug 2012 #60
Thank you for this thoughtful thread. K&R myrna minx Aug 2012 #61

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
7. Thanks for another illustration of what I'm talking about.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 05:57 PM
Aug 2012

And it doesn't even come close to the worst ways this stereotype has been used.

LiveNudePolitics

(285 posts)
2. I'm from Western Pa
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 05:42 PM
Aug 2012

I'm a New York transplant who has encounter some of the derision reserved for those perceived as hicks or hillbillies. I'm from Western Pennsylvania, and when I give that as an answer to the "Where are you from" question, I have had several New Yorkers say "Oh, you mean Pennsyl-tucky!", and laugh at their own cleverness. How cosmopolitan.

I was deluded enough to think that the racism would be less in such a big city, but in fact it is more intense, just more clandestine. And, of course, the elite have always counted on 'poor white trash' to be the buffer between them and the minority. Now they can serve as distraction and entertainment.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
6. +1
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 05:55 PM
Aug 2012

My mother is from New York, and I love the city and the state...but it's definitely a place you don't want to have an accent...that goes for much of the Northeast. If you don't get treated like an idiot, you get treated like a novelty.

Of course, my mother's experience moving to the South from Georgia was not a pleasant one, but the fact is that West Virginia isn't powered by coal that comes out of New York's mountains, poisons New York's water, and forces New York's people to work and live in deplorable conditions.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
14. well if it makes you feel better
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:22 PM
Aug 2012

down here you are a yankee, indistinguishable from the most urbane manhatten sophisticate.

LiveNudePolitics

(285 posts)
62. greenwich village performance art
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 05:49 PM
Aug 2012

Hah, you are more likely to find me in a dive bar, preferably with metal on the sound system, then at an art installation. Are they any fun?

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
63. never been to one
Sat Sep 1, 2012, 03:44 AM
Sep 2012

i prefer the dive bars too, just blues or punk in my case. i am solid working class. i'm just messin' with you.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
40. I'm a hillbilly (a real one - I'm from East Tennesse where the
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 02:52 PM
Aug 2012

term originated) and I say "Pennsyl-tucky," but it's not because I think Pennsylvanians are hillbillies. It's because of the state's make-up. You have two, modern cities on either end of the state and lots of rural farmland in between.

I never thought of "Pennsyl-tucky" as a derision.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
44. It depends on how it's said.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 07:21 PM
Aug 2012

I've definitely heard it used with the implication that the people there are backwards and dangerous, like those folks over in you-know-where...

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
5. Well, to some degree, I wouldn't necessarily say that they don't.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 05:49 PM
Aug 2012

I can dress up fancy and drop my accent and no one is going to know the difference. I couldn't do that if I didn't have the "majority" skin color. In other ways, I have definitely seen how poor mountain boys are subject to harassment and prosecution by the police in ways that we associate with being a racial minority...but by the same token, I can't deny that there is a lot of racism where I live, and I can see where a nonwhite person would suffer horribly here.

But by all accounts, the people in Appalachia are some of the least privileged people in the nation.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
8. Well, if they voted right maybe we liberals wouldn't be so mean to them
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:01 PM
Aug 2012

The people of any impoverished culture offer plenty of targets for classist scorn, of course. And it's never the prettiest or most elevated thing in the world to see poor people mocked.

But you know what? This class of person supports their oppressors in large numbers, and their oppressors happen to be my oppressors.

So they are not mere abstract victims. They are actively against me and mine.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
10. I point you again to the example of Judy Bonds.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:15 PM
Aug 2012

And she is one of many. There are more than a few liberal hillbillies (http://ashleyjudd.com/friends/appalachian-pride-in-the-name-of-love/).

There are more than a few GLBTQ hillbillies--like author Silas House, as well as some friends of mine (I'm not going to give out names because it comes closer to identifying myself than I'm comfortable with, but they're on here http://www.thestayproject.org/)

There are even more than a few nonwhite hillbillies--like bell hooks and the folks in the Benham Lynch communities (http://www.kingdomcome.org/maps/benham-lynch.html).

There are also many who do have the ignorant political views that you profess. But the house they live in, the clothes they wear, the number of teeth they have, and even the level of education they obtain are not the points for which they should be mocked or criticized. Their political beliefs are.

 

Pab Sungenis

(9,612 posts)
9. I'm sorry, but
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:03 PM
Aug 2012

people who reward, honor, and revel in ignorance deserve to be discounted and degraded.

It's not the region, it's the mindset.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
13. Judy Bonds did not revel in ignorance.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:18 PM
Aug 2012

And she did not deserve to be discounted or degraded. And she did not deserve to die. And millions of other people in the region who face the same things she faced do not, either.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
16. but her opinions on mt removal are in the minority
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:31 PM
Aug 2012

in coal country, no? i'm not defending classism, just asking a question about politics.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
18. Well of course they are.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:45 PM
Aug 2012

When your only options are basically working for the coal company, working in some low wage service industry, or selling drugs, of course you're going to be pro-coal. When the majority of the politicians (including the Democratic ones) and the majority of the media, and the majority of virtually every other outlet from which you're going to get information, are bought and paid for by the coal companies, of course you're going to be pro-coal. But it wasn't always that way--it took more than a century of propaganda and oppression for the coal companies to achieve the absolute, unquestioned hegemony you see today.

But Judy sure as Hell isn't the only "authentic" Appalachian taking the stand that she's taking, or taking other progressive stances, such as support for the glbtq community. It takes a lot of bravery to take those kinds of stances, and it is painful enough that you will encounter the hostility of your own family, friends, and community for doing it. When the people who should be your political allies get their rocks off laughing at things that go to the core of who you are and what you come from, it leaves you feeling totally isolated and genuinely marginalized.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
25. thanks, i get where you are coming from
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 07:35 PM
Aug 2012

i learned a lot about appalachia in one of du's more lively "redneck: insult or not?" threads. one of the things i learned is that in appalachia that word carries much more negative baggage than down here in the old gulf coast confederacy.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
38. lol, I think that might have been a discussion between you and me...
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 02:43 PM
Aug 2012


In all honesty I know that I can paint a certain picture about this issue and about the kinds of people that live here. A lot of people in the mountains and coalfields would probably disagree with the way I see things, both historically and at present. But the point for me is that I know so many people who are from this area, who love this area, and who are both hurt and misrepresented by some of the broad brushes with which it gets painted (and I count myself among them), that I feel compelled to present their side of things.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
17. To me, shows like that, "The Real Wives of..." "bad girls club" etc.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:41 PM
Aug 2012

are playing on stereotypes of calculating, materialistic, irrational women without virtue or substance...I suppose urbanity could play into it as well...

But the point I'm making is not just on the entertainment appeal of shows that target a particular social group, although I think that is a worthy topic of discussion. It's that the specific hatred and bigotry extended towards people in Appalachia has some very real and very catastrophic effects, and has had those effects for a very long time. The massive, virtually unregulated resource extraction that has occurred in Appalachia over the last century and a half has been largely enabled by the attitude that these people were backwards, their homes and cultures were not worth saving, and even that they were "better off" because of the "progress" brought by the coal camps--outright land theft, underpaid and dangerous jobs, "education" and "healthcare" that served only to keep the people ignorant and sick, and of course, inescapable servitude through the issuing of company scrip and the violent suppression of any attempts at workers' organization.

This kind of oppression was virtually indistinguishable from slavery, and it has had the same kind of lasting effects that slavery had--including ignorance and a distrust for most institutions beyond the family, and perhaps the church. And while the more egregious violations have been outlawed (note that those laws did not save the 29 miners at Upper Big Branch, just as they did not save Judy Bonds), the reality is that the coal industry has barely changed in all these years--only finding new ways to keep the money rolling in while they rape the land and destroy the people, and meanwhile, the rest of the country gets a few laughs from a Deliverance reference here and a "reality" TV show there.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
20. I hear ya. I watched that documentary about Appalachia. It explained the source of one stereotype
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 07:10 PM
Aug 2012

- the stereotype that country folk have broken appliances and junk in their yards. the documentary pointed out that poor rural areas don't have trash pickup. They don't have many of the services that we take for granted in LA. LA has a city department that picks up couches and large furniture that people dump in the street. Abandoned cars are removed immediately.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
28. True...
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 08:48 PM
Aug 2012

where I live we don't have trash pickup. BUT, like most people who live rural we do have a truck and we can and do haul all of our trash to the dump.....true for a lot of people who have broken applicants and junk in their yards. I witnessed it first hand when my husband's job took us to coal country. The appliances and junk in the yard were a mind set. They didn't lack a way of disposing of trash.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
49. I'm in Maine and we have to pay to drop off certain items at the dump
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 08:03 PM
Aug 2012

Just because you don't have to pay doesn't mean that others don't have to pay. Just sayin'...

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
56. The area I was talking about....
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 01:20 AM
Aug 2012

coal mining country in southwestern Virginia, didn't at that time, charge for dumping stuff. Where I live now, doesn't charge but I know not every area is like that.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
39. Well, not everyone has access to a truck.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 02:48 PM
Aug 2012

And even if your truck "runs," it may not be well equipped to haul heavy appliances. You can use junk cars and appliances for spare parts if something you have breaks down, and a lot of the people that I know may not have pretty yards, but they sure do a lot of work repairing and improving their houses, etc.

On the other hand, keeping your land looking a little "trashy" does repel wealthier folks who would build fancier houses and raise property values for people who wouldn't be able to afford a higher property tax rate. Granted, higher taxes would mean better infrastructure, but when you're living paycheck to paycheck you just don't think that far ahead.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
43. yep. big difference in poor rural areas and city in transportation availability. Another
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 02:59 PM
Aug 2012

documentary I saw showed poor rural folks hitchhiking to college classes.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
58. Yep...used to catch a ride with friends, but it wasn't very easy...
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 04:12 PM
Aug 2012

Especially considering how far away most of the schools are...in my case you have to drive "down the mountain" either way to get a chance for higher education. Down isn't so bad, but coming back up eats a whole lot of gas.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
21. It always baffles me that people here in W.Va. celebrate the continuing Jesco White minstrel show
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 07:18 PM
Aug 2012

There was a local premiere of that film that Johnny Knoxville, Hank Williams III and a bunch of MTV douchebags did exploiting the local meth clan, and it got a standing ovation from the sold-out audience.
It's almost like they were all jumping at the chance to show that, they too, could laugh with the outsiders at the poverty-stricken coalfield stereotypes.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
46. I just watched that mess on Netflix this morning, in fact.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 07:27 PM
Aug 2012

I honestly don't know why I watched it; I think I was expecting something more akin to Grey Gardens or My Brother's Keeper. It was neither.

muntrv

(14,505 posts)
22. Great post. Reminds me of a few days ago when listening to a DJ on WDTW FM 106.7
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 07:23 PM
Aug 2012

in Detroit talk about an assault that took place at a McDonald's in Tennessee. The DJ kept referring to the assailant as "this Tennessee hillbilly" and said "in TN everyone has sex with their brothers and sisters." He made these remarks numerous times. I was annoyed by this.

Betcha he would not have said this if the assault took place in MI or anywhere else outside of the South.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
26. Excellent article.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 08:31 PM
Aug 2012

And I do get angry whenever I see those shows like "Here Comes Honey-Boo-Boo" advertised.
Exploitation. And how convenient that we can laugh and look down on these folks. Makes me sick.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
27. For a corrective view, read Joe Bageant's "Deer Hunting with Jesus"
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 08:38 PM
Aug 2012

He does a good job of explaining why poor whites identify with the Republicans. They KNOW that a lot of urban liberals despise them, so the Republicans cleverly pretend to honor them.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
29. America handed WV over to the coal industry and said "Here have your way with her."
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 09:20 PM
Aug 2012

Why do they side with the coal industry, their oppressors? The government has abandoned them and the coal industry is what puts food on the table. Racism and homophobia does play into it. But if the Democrats had a strong economic populist message, we could cut straight through that racism.

If we could say all the money made off WV coal will go to benefit the communities of WV, instead of mine owners in New York and London. If we could say we will make full employment in WV by hiring people to build and install solar panels and wind mills. These would be popular.

Could you imagine a Democrat candidate saying these things? It's almost inconceivable. And yet those solutions are obvious even to "hillbillies".

This whole region of our country and quality of life for generations of families have been sacrificed for industry profits. And the people who live there know it. Liberal America turned it's back on Appalachia so if WV moved into the Republican column it's not surprising. At least a job in the mine puts food on the table.

We can win this state back by supporting strong economic populist policies. If we said from now on the mineral wealth of West Virginia will belong to the people of West Virginia. If we directly hired people to build the energy systems of the future. So let's do that.



riverbendviewgal

(4,252 posts)
30. For a better understanding...I do suggest everyone read Joe Bageant's books..
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 10:07 PM
Aug 2012

He was from Appalachia Virginia and was a journalist. His books are DEER HUNTING WITH JESUS and RAINBOW PIE. His website is
joebageant.com

He died last year and I had the fortune to exchange emails with him.

I could see much of what he wrote about "his people" in my ex-boyfriend's family and friends in an eastern town in Ohio on the border of Pennsylvania very near the top of West Virginia.

My ex was an Obama supporter, which was not the norm from where he lived. He had a hard life, raised twin daughters alone when their mom deserted the family... He often was out of work. One twin went on to the Marines and then Army, divorcing 3 times and having a child and one on the way the last time I was involved with her dad. Her twin was in and out of trouble with the law and had a child out of wedlock. The child's father in prison for a very long sentence.

After knowing them, I feel I can understand these economic oppressed people, and reading Joe's books helped even more.

Maybe someday there will be a better world for them.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
32. thanks for the suggestion
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 11:29 PM
Aug 2012

Never heard of him before but I just read one of his essays,
AMERICA: Y UR PEEPS B SO DUM?

Good stuff. Funny too. Will definitely read more of him. I'm sorry to hear he passed away.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
34. Unfortunately, class bigotry is still considered more acceptable than racial bigotry
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 01:24 AM
Aug 2012

Even by many liberals.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
36. I get it all the time here in Montana
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 07:11 AM
Aug 2012

I came here from Ohio, picked an accent after a few years in Florida and can't shake it. You get a whole lot less respect in my opinion. Almost all the company owners I worked for would mock me with their own version of a southern drawl when talking to me only. Funny how they were also racist and homophobic. It was all handed down to them thru the generations. I have ask a dozen people out here over the years that I thought were racist if they were and quite proudly they will say fuckin hell yes I'm fuckin racist. The last one I ask and He said hell yes I'm racist and predjudice and If I had come around here 40 years ago he would have run me out of the state. I ask him what if I was black, he said well then you would be dead. Montana is very pretty but the wing nuts out here can be pretty scary, I never let my guard down when I'm around one.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
41. Thanks for all of the supportive responses...
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 02:55 PM
Aug 2012

...heck, even the responses that disagreed managed to be civil, I'd say. It is good to see other DUers recognizing bigotry for what it is, and recognizing that humanity does not stop due to the statistical distribution of political beliefs. I wish I could respond to each and every one of you, but unfortunately I just don't have the time right now.

Burma Jones

(11,760 posts)
47. Three of my Grandparents were "Hillbillies" who would have sooner eaten bees than vote Republican
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 07:50 PM
Aug 2012

They moved up north to work in the Gary, IN Steel Mills and were strong strong Labor Union folks.

My family has an urbane Northeastern contingent, a Texas Leftie contingent, a Rural Tennessee Fundie contingent and a nasty Oklahoma Right Wing contingent.....but we all have our Hillbilly roots - my Guitar and Banjo Playing 14 year old son is leading toward being one of us educated Hillbillies. My Daughters seem to take more after their Suburban NYC Jewish Mom.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
52. The words classy and sophisticated also do not describe amusement based on class-based prejudice. nt
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 09:22 PM
Aug 2012

kurtzapril4

(1,353 posts)
50. No one held a gun to the heads of
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 08:10 PM
Aug 2012

Honey Boo Boo and her family and forced them to be "exploited." They are making bank on their "exploitation."

They are ignorant and classless and disgusting. They live up to every damn stereotype of hillbillies that exists, and they're probably inventing new ones, in people's minds. They give us hillbillies a bad name.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
53. Well, she's six...so she doesn't really have a say either way.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 09:24 PM
Aug 2012

But the point of my post is not necessarily the plight of the people on this particular show. It's the fact that people enjoy laughing at the stereotypes that this family represents, while they ignore the very real effects that kind of classism and regionalism has had on Appalachia.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
59. I come from a long line of hillbillies, probably one of the first in this country,
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 04:46 PM
Aug 2012

Started out in Virginia, wound its way through Kentucky and Tennessee, with the majority finally winding up in the Ozarks. Branson is named after an ancestor of mine.

When I was a kid, I was embarrassed and ashamed of my heritage, especially the fact that the family tree looked more stump-like than anything else, if you get my drift. But as I grew older, I grew to embrace that heritage, for a number of reasons.

First, these people aren't dumb, just uneducated. Up until about sixty years ago, life was extremely hard in the backwoods hills. Kids were needed to help keep the crops coming in, to keep the family alive. My father was the first in our family to graduate from college, not because he was smarter than others, but because the family finally had enough free time to allow him the opportunity to pursue an education.

In fact, given how hillbillies are notorious for being able to make anything run with baling wire and spit, one would have to see that they have an innate intelligence.

Second, people damn them for their stand offish ways and clannishness, well that attitude developed for a reason, being constantly persecuted by not just the government, but corporations, railroads, and any trickster looking to make a quick buck. It simply became an easier policy to shoot first than get ripped off later.

Third, the culture, the art. I know, musical tastes vary, and I wasn't a big fan of hillbilly music when I was a kid, mainly because it was overplayed in my house, but as I grew older I grew to love it. It is real, it is beautiful in a way that reminds me of music in a brook or the sun coming up over the mountain.

Fourth, the comfort of belonging to a group, a clan, that supports you to the hilt. I know that if I ever got into seriously deep shit, I could make one call and within an half hour have a hundred family members here armed to the teeth, with more on the way, all to protect me, my wife and my property. That's serious familial loyalty there, something that not all families have going for them.

Yes, these people are, for the most part, racist to some degree or another, but that is slowly changing. Yes, they distrust government and virtually every other outside institution, for a good reason, their contacts with them have generally ended badly, very badly. Land seized, people thrown in jail, people killed. It is better in their eyes to keep everybody and everything that isn't family at shotgun's distance than trust that somebody outside of the family will do right by them. And yes, these people are uneducated, but that is changing as well. High school dropout rates are down, graduation rates are up, and starting about forty years ago, a movement began to get their kids to college. My dad used to sponsor these kids coming up from the hills and hollers, poor, scared freshmen who had never been outside their community much less in what they thought of as a "big" town of 50,000. Yeah, they spoke funny, and had poor dental work, but you know what, that would slowly change, and these kids turned out to be some of the best in their classes. They took their degrees in veterinary medicine and agriculture and medicine and education and business back to where they came from and put them to good use.

And now those kids are the leaders now, and though they may still talk with the same twang, they are whip smart, smart enough to sell a millions of city slickers into coming from all over the country to a little town in the Ozarks and spend billions of dollars annually. So who's the fool, the guy selling the hillbilly illusion, or the rube who is buying it?

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
60. That photo with the two rednecks and the Rottweiler
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 04:53 PM
Aug 2012

in front of a trailer just stereo-types us mobile home dwellers as "trailer trash.' And I become upset every time I hear that term. I live in a mobile home and I had a Rottweiler, but believe me I could not identify with the two morons in the photo.

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