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Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:19 AM

" I'm still a trump fan"

I just saw a segment on Craig Melvin about a Trump fan disappointed with her tax return which was half of what it used to be. She acknowledged that she felt Trump misled people about tax cuts helping the middle class. She said she believes "he doesn't want to show his taxes because he doesn't pay taxes while we are paying everything" . This is a woman with kidney disease who is on dialysis awaiting a kidney transplant but still said she was a Trump fan.

I am so confused. I am confused by these type of Trump fans. As a person of color, I can only conclude. You are a racist. You like his racist ideologies. If he is not making your life better economically what are you fan of? He lacks moral leadership, so I doubt that's it. He's a joke on the international stage.

I am especially confused by this person who has kidney disease, a pre-existing condition and Trump trying to tear down the ACA. I am befuddled about what she is a fan of?

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Reply " I'm still a trump fan" (Original post)
tulipsandroses Apr 2019 OP
Aristus Apr 2019 #1
durablend Apr 2019 #2
RVN VET71 Apr 2019 #34
A HERETIC I AM Apr 2019 #8
Bleacher Creature Apr 2019 #26
java108 Apr 2019 #3
47of74 Apr 2019 #18
Left-over Apr 2019 #25
Crunchy Frog Apr 2019 #39
DontBooVote Apr 2019 #4
FM123 Apr 2019 #5
get the red out Apr 2019 #6
Mariana Apr 2019 #12
TrogL Apr 2019 #23
Mariana Apr 2019 #40
TrogL Apr 2019 #43
Mariana Apr 2019 #45
Hassler Apr 2019 #7
Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #24
redstatebluegirl Apr 2019 #9
Cold War Spook Apr 2019 #10
Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #11
atreides1 Apr 2019 #22
Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #28
Dan Apr 2019 #13
BigmanPigman Apr 2019 #16
not fooled Apr 2019 #14
uponit7771 Apr 2019 #38
struggle4progress Apr 2019 #47
Midnight Writer Apr 2019 #15
allgood33 Apr 2019 #17
47of74 Apr 2019 #21
bullwinkle428 Apr 2019 #19
John Fante Apr 2019 #29
srobertss Apr 2019 #20
HopeAgain Apr 2019 #27
uponit7771 Apr 2019 #37
Karadeniz Apr 2019 #30
Collimator Apr 2019 #31
marylandblue Apr 2019 #32
lostnfound Apr 2019 #33
jayfish Apr 2019 #36
uponit7771 Apr 2019 #35
Mariana Apr 2019 #41
radius777 Apr 2019 #42
sarcasmo Apr 2019 #44
Bradical79 Apr 2019 #46

Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:20 AM

1. 'He hates the same people I hate'.

Easiest way to explain it.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:21 AM

2. That and

"He's stickin it to TEH LIBS so I'm happy!"

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Response to durablend (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:31 PM

34. Ah, but don't forget that the libs

are blacks, jews, latinos, asians, muslims, the entire population of non-heterosexual humans . . .so, yeah, this lady with the smallest refund ever is probably a racist and trusts Trump to lead America back to the whiteness the Founders intended.

She accepts the suffering Trump lays on her because of the, in her eyes, "greater good" that he is doing.

We cannot hope to convince people like her that the damage Trump and his "best people" are doing to America will ultimately destroy everything at the heart of the Founders actual vision. All we can do is out-vote her and her people, out-vote them in such numbers that even the fascist games her political leaders play with the vote will be insufficient to quiet our voice. Once we've done that, frauds and fascists like Trump and the GOP will be reduced to sideline whispering, whispering among themselves, with no effect on the body politic or on America's genuine ideals.

2020 is our last chance. I don't care who the Dems nominate, I will vote against the monsters on the Right. A "no" vote in 2020 is a vote for fascism, racism, and ignorance. MAGA indeed!

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Response to Aristus (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:30 AM

8. That is it in a nutshell.

While a larger majority identified with Obama, the opinions and hatreds and prejudices of Trump and the others around him of a similar mindset (Miller, for instance) resonate with a significant number of the electorate.

They would rather stay with their hated than educate themselves and move forward.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:49 PM

26. We have a winner. This is exactly right.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:22 AM

3. Let her be racist and die of renal failure, then.

One less irredeemable breathing my air.

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Response to java108 (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:24 PM

18. I second that.

 

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Response to java108 (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:40 PM

25. Other than Renal failure this person has another disease......stupidity.

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Response to java108 (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:10 PM

39. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:22 AM

4. Utter stupidity! She's a fucking uneducated and racist dumbass! Simple really.

 

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:22 AM

5. Yes, this kind of person confuses me too.

The only way I can explain someone like that is if I substitute the word fan for cult member, someone so brainwashed that they can no longer think for themselves.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:22 AM

6. She is probably a religious conservative

as well as a racist. And is in front of Fox News all the time having their vile shit pumped into her brain.

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Response to get the red out (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:35 PM

12. Lots of Christian churches are preaching

that Trump is President because God placed him there, to implement God's plan. These Christians are told that opposition to Trump is opposition to God. Many of the RW radio shows, both Christian and secular, echo this idea, as do countless websites, Facebook posts, Tweets, etc. etc. That's one reason there are so many like the person described in the OP, who act like cult members. It also explains why they think we are not just wrong, but are actively evil.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:39 PM

23. They're likening Trump to King Cyrus

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Response to TrogL (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 04:03 PM

40. King Cyrus, and various other Bible heroes.

They've been doing this since he was nominated, and maybe before that. It's very shortsighted and foolish to discount the role Christianity has played, and continues to play, in the rise of Trump. The majority of Christian voters cast their ballots for Trump in 2016. It was not just the white Evangelicals, either, it was the majority of Christians of all varieties. Most of those Christians will enthusiastically vote for him again, if given the chance, because a vote against Trump is a vote against God.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #40)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 10:18 AM

43. That is truly frightening

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Response to TrogL (Reply #43)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 12:58 PM

45. Yes, and it explains the fervency with which so many of his supporters

continue to stand behind him, no matter what he does or says.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:26 AM

7. If she was white, you have the first clue.

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Response to Hassler (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:40 PM

24. Not all misogynists are men. Not all white supremacists are white . .

witness Ben Carson.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:15 PM

9. She hates more than she cares about herself.

She hates brown and black people, she hates gay people, she really hates liberals. Her hate is stronger than her common sense.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:31 PM

10. He could lose part of his cult

 

if he got a divorce, had sex change operation and married a Black man.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:35 PM

11. So there you have it. She would rather die than lose her Fuhrer.

Most of us know too many people just like her.

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:34 PM

22. To paraphrase Captain Kirk

"Let her die"

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:51 PM

28. Alternatively: Someone get this man a gun

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:44 PM

13. I am befuddled about what she is a fan of?

death...

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Response to Dan (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:18 PM

16. Ignorance and stupidity.

I watched it and after she was bitching about how she doesn't regard a pay increase throughout the year as the same "promised tax cut" she normally received in a huge refund of $4,000 but $2,000 now instead. Duh! Wake up lady! Learn about your finances. Stop being so ignorant and bitching about it. She probably didn't even know that the ACA was the same as Obamacare until she needed it.

Then when she said she voted for the fucking moron I said out loud to my dog, "I do not feel badly at all. You deserve it.....another fucking moron".

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:12 PM

14. Support of Nazism in Germany

during WWII has been equated to being in a death cult. Thom Hartmann has mentioned this repeatedly. I'm starting to think trump fans are doing the same thing.

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Response to not fooled (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:07 PM

38. I lived in Germany for a good portion of my life, this is exactly what it looks like. Nazi supporter

... supporters would've been kept in the dark about "family separations" and "losing" Jewish children.

These guys in America's WH don't give a damn, they normalize historical inhumane stuff.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:00 AM

47. "Yes, mistakes were made. But I'm sure Der Fuhrer didn't always know what was happening!"

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:16 PM

15. It's not about issues. It is about imprinted personality traits.

These traits are established in infants before they have conscious memories, run very deep in the subconscious, and are nearly impossible to overcome.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:19 PM

17. I conclude as you do. Racism!!

 

Wonder if she would refuse a kidney from a black or Mexican?

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Response to allgood33 (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:26 PM

21. I would give my organs to a black or a Mexican

 

But I’m at the point where I wouldn’t want them going to a Branch Trumpvidian.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:25 PM

19. That 46% of the electorate that put him in office isn't going anywhere.

It sucks to say it, but the truth can hurt sometimes.

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:06 PM

29. That is still, minus one tragic exception, a very beatable

number. Romney, for example, got 47% of the vote, and didn't come close to winning. McCain got just under 46% of the vote and got thrashed.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:26 PM

20. Daily cognitive dissonance

It is upsetting to get daily proof that so many people are supportive of this trash person. How can this be? But then I heard Bandy Lee, the Yale psychiatrist, saying that he might not be able to process the humiliation of losing his base and might try to take the world down with him. So I’m starting to see the positive side of this phenomenon. Maybe I shouldn’t wish for them to wake up. At least until he loses the election. The other positive is that they seem to be equally incapable of understanding us. When Trump Jr chastised Ilhan Omar for calling Stephen Miller a white supremacist, I thought, “This is good they’re so stupid they won’t be able to figure out strategies to defeat us.”

But still, it’s a daily nightmare.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:50 PM

27. True Story

My wife knows a woman who developed liver cancer before the ACA. The doctors told her she needed a new liver, but it turned out that her terrible health plan wouldn't cover a transplant and she didn't have the deposit to get on the transplant list.
The ACA then passed and she was able to get an exchange plan and a liver transplant. The ACA literally saved her life.
Her husband, however, is a Fox News junkie and a right wing conservative. To this day, he still hates Obama, supports trump, and simply fails to acknowledge that the ACA saved his wife's life.
You can't make this shit up.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #27)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:02 PM

37. I call em pride voters; they have so much invested into being right about someone they wont ...

... see they're wrong.

Reality wont matter, they'll even tell you up is down with a straight face.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:08 PM

30. I saw her, too. What impressed me was her making excuses for the moron. "I guess he

Didn't understand the effect of his tax plan on us who aren't as rich as he is. " So, he lowered taxes for the wealthy, but he didn't understand what he was doing. He doesn't have tax experts clever enough to anticipate other outcomes than what he says...or he doesn't understand he should listen to them. Diddums just doesn't understand, but now he probably does, so we're just peachy.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:09 PM

31. The LBJ Quote was posted prominently here at DU, somewhere.

And that quote pretty much explains it. So many people desperately need someone to look down upon. Whats-his-face lifts his fans up by cramming his metaphoric foot onto other people's metaphoric necks.

Admittedly, I look down upon the Trumpers a little bit at times. At other times, however, I feel sorry for them, and I wish that their hearts and minds could be clear with the love and wisdom that they claim their deity provides. They would not only find some inner peace to quiet the rage and fear that besets them, but we could all work together to make a better life for everyone.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:10 PM

32. Democrats don't realize how much values and perceptions play into a vote.

I don't like Sanders, but would vote for Sanders in a general election even if never releases tax returns, would raise my taxes and screw up my current health care plan. I would even re-elect him if he crashed the economy and started a major war. That's because his values are still closer to mine than any Republican and I'd perceive that any screwups would have been worse under a Republican or are not his fault.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:27 PM

33. Lots of people jumping to conclusions about her in this thread

I saw it too. Hard to recognize what she was about. Only thing I can figure is she lives in some rural community with red churches and red radio station. Looked like a blue collar neighborhood maybe in Florida? Small houses, cinder block. Didn’t catch what state she was in.

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Response to lostnfound (Reply #33)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:02 PM

36. She Outlined That...

everything she liked about Trump was a lie.

-He's a regular guy
-He's looking out for the little guy
-He's a straight shooter
-He's going to drain the swamp

Yet she's still a fan? Fuck her!

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:57 PM

35. Regarding the ACA Red Don's fans live on another planet, they thank ACA is Muslim or some shit ...

... they're kept misinformed

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #35)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 04:10 PM

41. They keep themselves misinformed.

Their ignorance isn't something that's forced upon them, it's something they choose for themselves.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 05:01 PM

42. white populism ie Trump not Trumpy enough for her

ie didn't get the wall built fast enough and isn't delivering for the 'regular' people in the 'middle class'. those were her stated concerns. IOW she disapproves of Trump from the populist right, like Anne Coulter does, which makes it less (not more) likely for Dems to attact such voters, who will likely still vote for Trump.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 10:22 AM

44. Hate is a powerful drug.



Stupid is as stupid does.

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Response to tulipsandroses (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:52 AM

46. Racism is the uniting thread across Trump supporters

 

Of course they know racism is bad, so they're very quick to back any lie tossed to them, and are deeply offended if you point it out.

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