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Tue Apr 9, 2019, 06:48 PM

Why are the Democrats in the House holding back on the subpeonas?

Just how polite do you have to be to corrupt agency heads who flaunt your authority and oversight?

Afraid to go the court? Better go to court now before the benches are filled with the likes of Scalia and the Beermeister.

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Reply Why are the Democrats in the House holding back on the subpeonas? (Original post)
Thomas Hurt Apr 2019 OP
SlogginThroughIt Apr 2019 #1
SHRED Apr 2019 #2
sharedvalues Apr 2019 #6
SlogginThroughIt Apr 2019 #10
SlogginThroughIt Apr 2019 #9
FBaggins Apr 2019 #3
sharedvalues Apr 2019 #7
FBaggins Apr 2019 #12
sharedvalues Apr 2019 #8
FBaggins Apr 2019 #13
sharedvalues Apr 2019 #14
FBaggins Apr 2019 #16
Baitball Blogger Apr 2019 #4
Celerity Apr 2019 #11
Progressive dog Apr 2019 #5
uponit7771 Apr 2019 #15
uponit7771 Apr 2019 #19
Progressive dog Apr 2019 #21
leftynyc Apr 2019 #17
MineralMan Apr 2019 #18
NewJeffCT Apr 2019 #20

Response to Thomas Hurt (Original post)

Tue Apr 9, 2019, 06:51 PM

1. What I have read is that it is about not giving courts a reason to side against

What I have read is that it is about not giving courts a reason to side against them. Meaning they have to give ample time for DON to process or the court will rule that they didnít give enough time.

I also heard on Thom Hartman today that this is all going to go to the USAC anyway and that they will just push it out past 2020 before they even look at it.

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 9, 2019, 06:57 PM

2. In Barr's own words today

 

He said he'd never release the report in full.

Time? Why wait with that evidence?

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Response to SHRED (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 9, 2019, 08:40 PM

6. And worse Barr refused to answer if he gave report to White House

HE REFUSED TO ANSWER.

Democrats have tools to stop that. If they want to

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:46 PM

10. I think he did admit to discussing it with WH lawyers.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:45 PM

9. Right.

We will never see that report with the makeup of the branches as they sit right now.

We can demand that they turn it over again and again and hope that showing the American public that they will not comply is enough to convince them that the administration and the republicans are a bunch of crooks.

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Original post)

Tue Apr 9, 2019, 07:18 PM

3. Chances are that it's because they know what they're doing and we don't

What would they subpoena? "Give us everything!" isn't likely to sell to a judge.

Wait just a few days and they'll know what parts of the report are redacted and for what reasons. Instead of a vague belief that the administration is hiding things, they'll have a pretty good idea how much they'll have to work with.

The fight over what can be released is likely to go on for months if not years. A few more days won't make a difference.

It's likely that committee Democrats have just been making the blustery noise that they think we require - while they wait on something they can actually start on.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 9, 2019, 08:42 PM

7. How about changing the ineffective hearing structure??

The FIRST thing Dems can do is get rid of the 5 min question time, which allows Repubs like Barr to run out the clock. Go to unlimited time and get one person to ask most of the questions so they can ask followups.

This is not that hard and Dems are screwing the pooch. This is a national crisis and the GOP is running circles around the Dems because Dems havenít figured out yet the rules have changed.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:57 PM

12. Not a bad idea... but it won't happen

Itís structured that way because they want it like that. They all want their face time.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 9, 2019, 08:43 PM

8. Also keep in mind "Just wait, Dems have got this" is a GOP talking point.

Rightwing media has been trying to tamp down Dem outrage for two years now.

Apparently that strategy has worked on some folks.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:58 PM

13. It is?

Can you point to a couple republicans saying that?

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:22 AM

14. Yes indeed, I can point to a couple rightwing propaganda sources

Former Murdoch employee:



Republican from WSJ
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/28/opinion/trump-mueller-russia-report.html

Republican from Weekly Standard
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/21/opinion/trump-investigation-robert-khuzami.html

Republican:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/04/give-william-barr-benefit-doubt/586207/

They're all telling us to wait. It's going to be OK.

NO. It is not. We should be outraged.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:03 AM

16. Mensch? Seriously?

Hardly a source of GOP talking points

The other three are not really sourced of GOP talking points either... but that doesn't much matter since they aren't saying "Dems have got this" anyway.

All of which is also irrelevant since I'm not saying they've "got this" either and do not believe that "it's going to be ok". I'm saying that they have quite a bit more information that you do and know what they're doing better than an internet chat room does.

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Original post)

Tue Apr 9, 2019, 07:59 PM

4. If you listen to what's happening to the Republican supporters, you'll understand.

They are losing their minds. Those that don't support Trump, but fear socialism are seriously having a meltdown. They have no where to go and believe that we are in a state of anarchy. We need to pull them over to our side with information.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:54 PM

11. 'Those that don't support Trump, but fear socialism are seriously having a meltdown.'

Which is why that bellend Schultz can so fuck us up if he runs.

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Original post)

Tue Apr 9, 2019, 08:29 PM

5. The subpeonas will come

if they are necessary. The Democrats in the House are not the problem.

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Response to Progressive dog (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:35 AM

15. Barr to dems, "fuck all yaw" ... dems. "OK... thanks !!!" Sounds like necessary is NOW

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Response to Progressive dog (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:53 AM

19. Barr to dems, "fuck all yaw" ... dems. "OK... thanks !!!"

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 12, 2019, 01:55 PM

21. I'll trust the elected Democrats

to act as necessary.

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:04 AM

17. First they need to see what he releases

 

because to complain BEFORE that just looks like whining.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #17)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:35 AM

18. Exactly.

In our impatience, we often miss the importance of timing.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #18)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:10 AM

20. right

if they go before a judge, they'll be ask if they followed procedure before issuing the subpoena and it's doubtful that even an Obama/Clinton appointed judge would look kindly at the House Democrats not following proper procedure.

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