Sun Apr 7, 2019, 02:46 PM

DirtEdonE (1,220 posts)

If you could go back in time to Election Day 2016

If you could go back in time to Election Day 2016 KNOWING WHAT WE KNOW TODAY and change the outcome by doing whatever it takes to flip enough votes in key states to give Hillary not only the popular vote but the Electoral College as well - would you do it?

I would, without even thinking about it. Anything to negate this nightmare and prevent it from continuing until 2024 and likely beyond.

Knowing trump stole the election in 2016, shouldn't we do whatever it takes to win on Election Day 2020?

Damn right we should. Or we could just keep polishing our halos and lose again.

I'm for winning. Whatever it takes. And I don't mind getting a little dirty to win over these traitors.

I'd wear my dirt as a badge of honor.

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10 replies	Author	Time	Post
If you could go back in time to Election Day 2016 (Original post)	DirtEdonE	Apr 2019	OP
I do what I can do. I did what I could do in 2016. And in 2020,	struggle4progress	Apr 2019	#1
+1	rampartc	Apr 2019	#2
Do the ends justify the means	DirtEdonE	Apr 2019	#3
There is no magic, and everything worth having takes some work	struggle4progress	Apr 2019	#6
I have nothing but distain	Little Star	Apr 2019	#4
Would that the popular vote determined the winner	DirtEdonE	Apr 2019	#5
I tried.	ismnotwasm	Apr 2019	#7
I don't understand the question.	SlogginThroughIt	Apr 2019	#8
Actually we'd have to go back to 10 days prior when	gldstwmn	Apr 2019	#9
This message was self-deleted by its author	clementine613	Apr 2019	#10

Response to DirtEdonE (Original post)

Sun Apr 7, 2019, 02:52 PM

struggle4progress (114,739 posts)

1. I do what I can do. I did what I could do in 2016. And in 2020,

I'll again do what I can do

But I do think the methods we use always affect the world we get as a result

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Sun Apr 7, 2019, 02:55 PM

rampartc (4,884 posts)

2. +1

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Sun Apr 7, 2019, 02:57 PM

DirtEdonE (1,220 posts)

3. Do the ends justify the means

Do the ends justify the means when the ends are defeating pure evil?

I don't like to cheat. I've been told I'm too honest many times throughout my life. But this is different. We can't affect the world we get from the results until the results are in our favor and we might never get another chance if we lose this time.

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Sun Apr 7, 2019, 05:19 PM

struggle4progress (114,739 posts)

6. There is no magic, and everything worth having takes some work

You can decide what you do, but don't sow briars where you want to harvest wheat

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Sun Apr 7, 2019, 02:57 PM

Little Star (17,055 posts)

4. I have nothing but distain

for today's Electoral College System. It is a outdated mode for electing our presidents. Bunch of muckity-mucks making our choice for us.

Give me a popular vote system where each party would have to adjust their thinking and philosophy in order to win.

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Sun Apr 7, 2019, 03:01 PM

DirtEdonE (1,220 posts)

5. Would that the popular vote determined the winner

We'd have President Clinton today.

But we are handcuffed by the system as it is and it looks as though it would take a constitutional amendment to change it.

We need to focus on winning. They're going to cheat again because cheating is the only way they can win. We need to be prepared and do whatever it takes to counter their tactics.

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Sun Apr 7, 2019, 05:22 PM

ismnotwasm (41,128 posts)

7. I tried.

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Sun Apr 7, 2019, 05:44 PM

SlogginThroughIt (1,977 posts)

8. I don't understand the question.

It seems to be would you go back and do everything you could to change it? I did everything I could. Within reason anyway. I don't know what else we could do to change the outcome of an election that was outright stolen... please don't anyone try to convince me that isn't what happened.In addition to GOTV activities I pleaded with my liberal friends to vote blue. In the end too many of them for my taste decided not to do that. Many of them fell victim to the propaganda. This coupled with the voter suppression tactics and voting machine shenanigans is what stole the election from us if not outright changing of votes which I am NOT convinced didn't happen.

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Sun Apr 7, 2019, 05:49 PM

gldstwmn (4,575 posts)

9. Actually we'd have to go back to 10 days prior when

Comey made his remarks and violated the Hatch Act.

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