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Rustynaerduwell

(663 posts)
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 09:38 AM Apr 2019

So let me get this straight:

If you've hugged, kissed and embraced thousands of people in your public life and one of them felt "uncomfortable", maybe you shouldn't run for President.

But if you've bragged about grabbing women's pussies and getting into teenage girl's dressing rooms because of your position, you should hold that office.

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So let me get this straight: (Original Post) Rustynaerduwell Apr 2019 OP
K&R, Maybe DNC should set out some boundaries uponit7771 Apr 2019 #1
Well, Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #2
But watch anyway how Biden gets Franken'ed, even by posters here. DontBooVote Apr 2019 #3
Franken-stoned. Again. lagomorph777 Apr 2019 #15
Yes, while the Evil is just fine with their guy grabbing women by the pussy and ogling teen girls. DontBooVote Apr 2019 #16
False equivalencies abound nt ALBliberal Apr 2019 #4
Indeed tymorial Apr 2019 #5
it's easier for republicans because they don't care about women. unblock Apr 2019 #6
+1 Kurt V. Apr 2019 #8
I won't vote for him in the primary. He's been in trouble for this kind Squinch Apr 2019 #7
Yes, you have it straight. DFW Apr 2019 #9
Yep, that's basically it and until anyone from our side even comes close to smirkymonkey Apr 2019 #10
She doesn't have to but, watoos Apr 2019 #11
I do not trust KG one bit. MicaelS Apr 2019 #13
Then again Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #25
Why her? MicaelS Apr 2019 #27
Because Gillibrand is more closely associated Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #30
And he(Trump) bragged about dating his own daughters! imanamerican63 Apr 2019 #12
Double standard there, for sure. PatrickforO Apr 2019 #14
IOKIYAR 0rganism Apr 2019 #17
Just the latest BLATANT case of the double standard. pdsimdars Apr 2019 #18
Yes Republicans have a low standard Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #23
we do handmade34 Apr 2019 #28
I'm a female, and I could never run for any public office. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #19
K & R BadgerMom Apr 2019 #20
I have made this point before. Collimator Apr 2019 #21
Very well said nt Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #24
Don't forget that many of the teenage girls were naked. MarianJack Apr 2019 #22
So Democrats should have Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #26
She May Think She's Helping Sanders Me. Apr 2019 #29
 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
16. Yes, while the Evil is just fine with their guy grabbing women by the pussy and ogling teen girls.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 12:06 PM
Apr 2019

And not just ogling teen girls...

By the way, where did the Mar-A-Lago Madame story go?

unblock

(52,195 posts)
6. it's easier for republicans because they don't care about women.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 10:01 AM
Apr 2019

in their world, men are above women in the social heirarchy, so they're generally fine with letting men get away with crap like that.

democrats have a tougher time with it because we respect women and take such accusations seriously and prefer a world in which women aren't made to feel "uncomfortable".


to me, it's more a question of proportion, what's the appropriate response to accusations or proven infractions.

so far, i think biden is handling the situation fine. far better than many people here are....

Squinch

(50,944 posts)
7. I won't vote for him in the primary. He's been in trouble for this kind
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 11:07 AM
Apr 2019

of thing before, including the last time he ran for President, he knows better than to do it. It is, predictably, gumming up the airwaves with negative stories about a Democrat, its bringing out the asshole who like to run around with their hair in fire with the, "So let me get this straight: this means no one can ever touch anyone ever again!!!1" bullshit.

This is an unforced error on Joes part. This is unnecessary and ridiculous drama that takes time away from the Democratic message. Its childish crap and he knows better. And if you think she's the last that will cime forward, I have a bridge to sell you.

With the field we have this year, there are at least half a dozen candidates that don't come with this kind of idiotic baggage and drama. I'll pick one of them.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
10. Yep, that's basically it and until anyone from our side even comes close to
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 11:20 AM
Apr 2019

behaving like Trump does with women, we should just throw their accusations back in their faces and tell them to go to hell. I don't want to see anyone else get "Frankened" for some misinterpreted bullshit. Joe may be a little on the touchy-feely side, but he's not a pervert or a misogynist.

Ex-Defense secretary’s wife says photo of her with Biden misleading

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/31/joe-biden-stephanie-carter-1246007

“After the swearing-in, as Ash was giving remarks, he leaned in to tell me ‘thank you for letting him do this’ and kept his hands on my shoulders as a means of offering his support,” Carter wrote. “But a still shot taken from a video — misleadingly extracted from what was a longer moment between close friends — sent out in a snarky tweet — came to be the lasting image of that day.”

Carter wrote that she and her husband had previously known Biden and his wife, Jill, “for many years, long before he had become vice president,” and revealed that she expressed her condolences to the couple about the media’s coverage of the incident.

“I told them I felt awful that after he had generously taken time out of his day to swear in an old friend, his attempt to support me had become a joke and even more — supposed proof positive that he didn’t understand how to respect women,” Carter wrote. “I thought it would all blow over if I didn’t dignify it with a response.

Carter also wrote that while she does not know Flores, she supports “her right to speak her truth,” adding that Flores and “all women” should be believed. “But her story is not mine. The Joe Biden in my picture is a close friend helping someone get through a big day, for which I will always be grateful,” Carter wrote. “So, as the sole owner of my story, it is high time that I reclaim it — from strangers, Twitter, the pundits and the late-night hosts.”

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
11. She doesn't have to but,
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 11:24 AM
Apr 2019

Gillibrand could come out in support of Biden, it would go a long way to make people forget about Franken, well maybe not a long way.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
25. Then again
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 12:34 PM
Apr 2019

if this harms Biden with women’s groups and he is the nominee, he may have to pick Gillibrand for VP.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
27. Why her?
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 12:42 PM
Apr 2019

There are plenty of other qualified woman. KH comes to mind. She is my preferred candidate right now.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
14. Double standard there, for sure.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 11:51 AM
Apr 2019

Of course, we wring our hands, resign and go on abject apology tours.

The Republicans just say 'fuck you' and go about their business.

And if it gets really bad, as in the Kavanaugh hearings, you'll get someone like Lindsey Graham give an impassioned speech about those poor men and how these horrible women have utterly ruined their lives. As odious as that was, it sure worked, didn't it?

0rganism

(23,938 posts)
17. IOKIYAR
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 12:11 PM
Apr 2019

we see it every day
and it's not just the news media, it's the American electorate going along with this
there is no simple answer, not for the problem in general or this particular instance.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
19. I'm a female, and I could never run for any public office.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 12:14 PM
Apr 2019

I was a bit wild in my youth. I'm sure stories would spew forth "for the good of the country, and to have a teachable moment," some of which I wouldn't remember. I don't think I could ever get elected!

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
21. I have made this point before.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 12:22 PM
Apr 2019

People are conflating social behavior with sexual behavior. Part of the problem is that many aspects of social behavior have been dictated by gender roles and to many, gender equals sex. (That is not "sex" in terms of actions but rather identity.)

In past mainstream American culture, a man could kiss a woman on the cheek in greeting during an initial introduction under certain circumstances. Issues of age and rank would also come into play. A man kissing another man under identical circumstances would raise eyebrows and the word, "inappropriate" might indeed, be mentioned.

The very word, inappropriate, is becoming highly charged in the public discourse because of this problem. If Biden had worn Birkenstock sandals to a State dinner, that would be inappropriate. If he had worn ass-less chaps that would have been [s]hilarious[/s]-- I mean indecent.

The #Metoo Movement is critical because it addresses hidden systematic abuses of power framed within a sexual context. Like any human endeavor, it can be flawed by differing interpretations and sensibilities. We must take care to distinguish behavior that would be considered criminal and indecent were it conducted in public from behavior that is socially inept, annoyingly presumptuous or "merely" patronizing.

As mentioned before, in "Olden Times" a "gentleman" might kiss a "lady" on the cheek upon first meeting her. A kiss on the mouth would have earned him a slap to the face from the woman or more likely a stern, restraining hand to the shoulder by the damsel's male protector. He would not have been arrested (I think), but he would have been socially sanctioned from his peer group.

Times have changed, and now it seems people are clamoring from social sanctions against those who kiss a woman's cheek. I can applaud this change, because many of the ingrained attitudes that have kept women back were laying right below the surface of many of the social "niceties" of the past. As the change filters through our 21st Century, we can be patient enough to not pillory those men who were raised with mid-20th Century social standards.

Such men are not sexual predators and should not be grouped with men whose actions were clearly criminal. Weinstein groped and exposed himself to people who did not consent to any form of sexual action. These actions range from sexual assault to indecent exposure. Rose appeared nude in front of employees and colleagues who, again, offered no invitation or gave consent to unclothed condition. This is indecent exposure. Lauer had a mechanism in his office that allowed him to lock people in the room with him. Even if all he did was show vacation slides, that is essentially kidnapping.

None of those behaviors would be considered appropriate in a civilized society, much less in our modern one. Those men understood entirely well that their actions were outside acceptable standards, which is why they veiled with their power.

Biden and others committed their deeds--"mis"-- or other wise in public. They have been challenged to see their patterns in a new light by differing standards and they are capable of change.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
22. Don't forget that many of the teenage girls were naked.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 12:30 PM
Apr 2019

And the Evangelicals continue to follow blindly,

RESIST!

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