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manor321

(3,344 posts)
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 04:49 PM Mar 2019

Nadler's great response to Barr!

Read it here:

https://judiciary.house.gov/news/press-releases/chairman-nadler-responds-latest-letter-attorney-general-barr


Chairman Nadler Responds to Latest Letter from Attorney General Barr
Mar 29, 2019

Washington, D.C. –Today, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) released the following statement in response to a letter he received from Attorney General William Barr:

“As I informed the Attorney General earlier this week, Congress requires the full and complete Mueller report, without redactions, as well as access to the underlying evidence, by April 2. That deadline still stands.

“As I also informed him, rather than expend valuable time and resources trying to keep certain portions of this report from Congress, he should work with us to request a court order to release any and all grand jury information to the House Judiciary Committee—as has occurred in every similar investigation in the past. There is ample precedent for the Department of Justice sharing all of the information that the Attorney General proposes to redact to the appropriate congressional committees. Again, Congress must see the full report.

“I appreciate the Attorney General’s offer to testify before the Committee on May 2. We will take that date under advisement. However, we feel that it is critical for Attorney General Barr to come before Congress immediately to explain the rationale behind his letter, his rapid decision that the evidence developed was insufficient to establish an obstruction of justice offense, and his continued refusal to provide us with the full report.”
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Nadler's great response to Barr! (Original Post) manor321 Mar 2019 OP
OFFS! Fucking weak! The Evil has snatched precedent with everything they've touched! Get DontBooVote Mar 2019 #1
You really are something. ZZenith Mar 2019 #2
Thank you. You are too. DontBooVote Mar 2019 #3
What do you suggest? babylonsister Mar 2019 #4
Has a single subpoena been issued by Nadler? Even just ONE? DontBooVote Mar 2019 #5
Has he read the report yet? sheshe2 Mar 2019 #16
It's interesting that the fact that the Mueller Report has been seen only by rePublickans DontBooVote Mar 2019 #21
uH HUH Eliot Rosewater Mar 2019 #27
Yet another insult. Nice. DontBooVote Mar 2019 #28
That's no ok with me either. the house has powers. use them. Kurt V. Mar 2019 #55
Thank you. DontBooVote Mar 2019 #57
How else do you get the information you don't have??? You subpoena it. It's called "discovery". BamaRefugee Mar 2019 #94
This person is extremely over the top these days Hekate Mar 2019 #7
... DontBooVote Mar 2019 #9
He might be over the top coeur_de_lion Mar 2019 #30
Look at the way I"m being insulted for being angry and expressing that anger. DontBooVote Mar 2019 #43
You're okay. We are all super pissed off coeur_de_lion Mar 2019 #64
+1 mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #79
As long as we all remember coeur_de_lion Mar 2019 #80
There's a certain group here who has no love for me. I'm gald I get that love (and respect) from the DontBooVote Mar 2019 #88
But a weak-assed offense is plenty good, huh? For some, apparently. Let's wait more weeks for DontBooVote Mar 2019 #87
What's your fucking plan, man? What are WE DU'ers ... all doing wrong, but that YOU got dialed in? mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #92
I can dream - I wish it would happen malaise Mar 2019 #14
Nobody seems to know the procedural steps, do they? gratuitous Mar 2019 #50
That stuff is done to us all the time. DontBooVote Mar 2019 #53
I wasn't talking to you gratuitous Mar 2019 #58
Oh, yet another insult. I didn't insult you, I made a statement of fact. Curiouser and curiouser. DontBooVote Mar 2019 #61
If stating a fact is an insult, you have very thin skin gratuitous Mar 2019 #63
"But go ahead and lead the charge up Capitol Hill there. Let us know how it works out" is not DontBooVote Mar 2019 #67
It's really not an insult, boo ... mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #84
Let's give the Evil all the fucking time in the world to fuch us up. I guess that what certain DontBooVote Mar 2019 #89
Aw man, I know, let do this ... let's just sit around and out-aggressive each other, that'll fix it mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #93
I Didn't see any insult by anyone upthread. lunatica Mar 2019 #69
One more, I think, and the whole gang will be here. Interesting. DontBooVote Mar 2019 #70
What are you talking about? lunatica Mar 2019 #73
I know what I'm talking about. And, no, that's not what I'm saying. DontBooVote Mar 2019 #74
A Non Insult ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #71
Thank you, Prof. I appreciate your respectful observation and comment. I mean that. DontBooVote Mar 2019 #72
Hey DontBoo zentrum Mar 2019 #83
I think Bombastic Boo zentrum Mar 2019 #82
Exactly right, zentrum. Thank you. But let's wait a few more weeks with extended deadlines and not DontBooVote Mar 2019 #86
Not taking a side in this, but what "procedure" KPN Mar 2019 #60
Please read my post; I laid it out there gratuitous Mar 2019 #62
Key words: "usually are done". These arent KPN Mar 2019 #66
+1 my thought exactly. Chin music Mar 2019 #77
Thank you. I defer to the Dems, babylonsister Mar 2019 #81
Yeah, dammit! The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #8
... DontBooVote Mar 2019 #10
Moose & Rocco - Help the judge find his checkbook, will ya! TheBlackAdder Mar 2019 #13
Even better why didn't Nadler punch Barr in the mouth at140 Mar 2019 #34
Thanks for contributing...well, nothing. DontBooVote Mar 2019 #47
Your anger at Nadler is uncalled for at140 Mar 2019 #49
Why a deadline for a party that is known for trickery and stonewalling? Where are the subpoenas? DontBooVote Mar 2019 #51
AG Barr said he will submit the full Mueller report by April 15th at140 Mar 2019 #56
Ooohhhh, so you're ok with waiting 2+ more weeks? Wow. Noted. DontBooVote Mar 2019 #59
Waited 2 years, so yes 2 more weeks is acceptable.nt at140 Mar 2019 #65
2 more weeks is not acceptable. Especially when that is on the other side of the already DontBooVote Mar 2019 #68
No, he did not say that ... dumbcat Mar 2019 #78
THANK YOU Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #85
Which means what actions? tia uponit7771 Mar 2019 #20
One or two more of you and the whole gang will be here... DontBooVote Mar 2019 #24
I understand your frustration and share your concern with the lack of fortitude by too many Democrats olegramps Mar 2019 #90
If the report truly not showed Trump to be blameless, that administration would have ALREADY Blue_true Mar 2019 #6
"They are nothing but cheats and liars." Thank you! And the minute Barr tried to move the date DontBooVote Mar 2019 #11
I also thought of bringing Mueller in under oath. Blue_true Mar 2019 #22
I hope so, too. There's also the attempt to control the narrative, along with kidnapping the DontBooVote Mar 2019 #23
It took Star 3 days to get the results of the Whitewater investigation out. Ligyron Mar 2019 #40
I know, right! And, because I express my anger, I am constantly insulted by a certain group here. DontBooVote Mar 2019 #41
Huge differences in the rules governing LTG Mar 2019 #95
Yes, I realize that. Ligyron Mar 2019 #96
Sorry if I was in lecture mode. LTG Mar 2019 #97
Oh, NP Ligyron Mar 2019 #98
I suspect that he will wait until after April 2nd Bettie Mar 2019 #25
If it's not there by midnight April2-3rd the subpoena should issue. Chin music Mar 2019 #33
I hope you're right. As it is, they still have four more days of PR and subterfuge, which seems to DontBooVote Mar 2019 #39
Me either but, we're mostly friends here. Chin music Mar 2019 #44
I've had it up to my eyeballs with the tRump circus. Waiting is not ok with me. It took minutes for DontBooVote Mar 2019 #45
Yes. Me too. Chin music Mar 2019 #46
Thank you, I appreciate that. I know who are not with me, and that is duly noted. DontBooVote Mar 2019 #48
Im actually watching Alex Jones Deposition part two....and im in the twilight zone just listening to Chin music Mar 2019 #52
I listened to his show back in the day as personal research. tRump was ALWAYS on there, way before DontBooVote Mar 2019 #54
Yep malaise Mar 2019 #15
Barr is still going to keep information from Mueller Report from Congress. This is wrong. riversedge Mar 2019 #12
Aren't there several key members of congress Bettie Mar 2019 #26
I think so. Chin music Mar 2019 #36
yes , yes yes , as in stat.( if u work in hospital, you know what that means ) AllaN01Bear Mar 2019 #17
While there are a lot of excellent Dems on Judiciary NewJeffCT Mar 2019 #18
That would make our guys look weak and incompetent, IMO. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #35
Can the Atty General be impeached? Serious question. n/t ginnyinWI Mar 2019 #19
Please get another set of balls Nadler. You know, the kind made out of brass. trickyguy Mar 2019 #29
Be careful, there's a certain group here who will tear you apart for saying such a thing. DontBooVote Mar 2019 #32
I'm so proud of our smart, brave Democrats in Congress!!!! Great response, Chairman Nadler! Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #31
Agreed but, it's a matter of Nat Security to 300+ million people. Chin music Mar 2019 #37
So many DUers are content to wait and wait and wait and give the criminal Evil more time to do their DontBooVote Mar 2019 #38
It's frustrating in general that the Democratics have been stymied so far from Chin music Mar 2019 #42
I agree with you Democrats have to play hard ball Liberalhammer Mar 2019 #75
I keep wating for our team to make a huge, bold play and it's day after day of disappointment. DontBooVote Mar 2019 #76
Dem message discipline has been impressive! DeminPennswoods Mar 2019 #91
 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
1. OFFS! Fucking weak! The Evil has snatched precedent with everything they've touched! Get
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 04:52 PM
Mar 2019

tough, goddamn it and quit fucking around with these criminals.

For crying out fucking loud with your stupid, sternly-(mostly weak)-worded letters!

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
21. It's interesting that the fact that the Mueller Report has been seen only by rePublickans
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 05:49 PM
Mar 2019

is of little concern to so many on this board. First, you're wiling to wait until April 2, now Barr is pushing it back yet another month. And, curiously, some of you are happy to wait. I'm not happy to wait. I want the report now. And weak responses to repub stonewalling IS NOT OK WITH ME.

coeur_de_lion

(3,662 posts)
30. He might be over the top
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:22 PM
Mar 2019

and he's taking it out on fellow DUers just a bit.

But he is fucking right.

Subpoena the report. Quit pussy footing around.

I like that Nadler is sticking to his deadline. But he needs to be more forceful about it.

coeur_de_lion

(3,662 posts)
64. You're okay. We are all super pissed off
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 07:02 PM
Mar 2019

and taking it out on each other a tad bit.

You're among friends. Be pissed off but not at us.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
79. +1
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 08:16 PM
Mar 2019

Hell Boo, nobody had even really responded before you're running that smack.

There aren't many here in favor of p-footing around with these assholes anymore, TRUST ME.

coeur_de_lion

(3,662 posts)
80. As long as we all remember
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 08:23 PM
Mar 2019

We are pissed off at the GOP and especially anyone named trump.

But we are NOT pissed off at each other. Not really.

We all have to love each other because we are all equally outraged and we need the support DU offers. We need all of us. Even the ones running smack.



 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
88. There's a certain group here who has no love for me. I'm gald I get that love (and respect) from the
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:02 AM
Mar 2019

locals here where I live whom have seen me in action and have even asked me to run for office.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
87. But a weak-assed offense is plenty good, huh? For some, apparently. Let's wait more weeks for
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:00 AM
Mar 2019

the report and belay any satisfaction for our side for as long as possible and coddle the stonewallers that beat us every goddamned time.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
92. What's your fucking plan, man? What are WE DU'ers ... all doing wrong, but that YOU got dialed in?
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 01:11 PM
Mar 2019

Dude I'm ready to start fucking breaking shit, okay? I'm with you on the anger, I'm sick of p-footing around, but I think so is everyone else. Schiff just proved on Thursday ... he ain't f'ing around. Nadler's not either. Neither is Nancy.

The people telling people to calm down are also pissed, but they also know THERE AIN'T THAT MUCH WE CAN DO, and what we CAN? We're DOING IT.

So I'm still waiting to hear what you got to share other than 'Democrats and DU'ers are failing, cause we're not railing on the internet like Boo'.

Clue us in. I'm ready to break shit, if it's not just breaking shit to make me feel better. My experience is ... that doesn't work out well in the end.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
50. Nobody seems to know the procedural steps, do they?
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:48 PM
Mar 2019

First the letter. If full compliance doesn't happen, it may require another letter outlining what was lacking from the response, and another deadline is mentioned. If full compliance with the letter still doesn't happen, then it's subpoena time. It's not that complicated, but no, the procedure doesn't offer the instant gratification and utter futility of an immediate full-scale battle royal on Capitol Hill, which is what some people seem to want.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
58. I wasn't talking to you
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:56 PM
Mar 2019

But go ahead and lead the charge up Capitol Hill there. Let us know how it works out.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
61. Oh, yet another insult. I didn't insult you, I made a statement of fact. Curiouser and curiouser.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:58 PM
Mar 2019

And from you, whom I've admired long since I began lurking here.

Wow.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
67. "But go ahead and lead the charge up Capitol Hill there. Let us know how it works out" is not
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 07:18 PM
Mar 2019

a fact, it is a rude insulting comment.



 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
84. It's really not an insult, boo ...
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 09:11 PM
Mar 2019

Now, it's a smart-ass remark, but it's not an insult.

You're kinda inviting smart-ass remarks unless and until you come up with an actual workable plan here ...

What are we supposed to DO, exactly, Boo?

And btw, whatever you come up, I bet a LOT of DU'ers are already doing it.

But feel free to share ... what's the DontBoo plan?

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
89. Let's give the Evil all the fucking time in the world to fuch us up. I guess that what certain
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:04 AM
Mar 2019

people here want. I, on the other hand, want some fucking satisfaction!

A weak assed response is not OK with me.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
93. Aw man, I know, let do this ... let's just sit around and out-aggressive each other, that'll fix it
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 01:19 PM
Mar 2019

****MAJOR NSFW PULP FICTION ***



So what, you think you're The Wolf? What's your plan, dude?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
69. I Didn't see any insult by anyone upthread.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 07:36 PM
Mar 2019

Following procedure in our government is actually quite important, especially for posterity. Everything our government does has to be proven to be above board. It’s one of the most important ways ever that our elected and appointed officials are kept honest. It is how they are kept accountable to us, the people who elect them. That’s the reason they are told it is illegal to delete emails or any documentation of official government business. A paper trail has to be laid down.

Nadler cannot just choose to order up a subpoena for documents without asking for them first. It is an abuse of power which you yourself would probably disapprove of if the other side did it.

In court, if it comes to that it might be cause for dismissal of charges. It has to probably be proven that the person was asked to testify or turn over documents. Thus the letters requesting documentation be turned over.

If you want it to stick you have to follow procedure.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
82. I think Bombastic Boo
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 08:58 PM
Mar 2019

....has a point. They do do it to us all the time.

Think of how they forbade a vote on Garland for a year so that they could appoint Kavanaugh. We should have raised high holy hell back then, during Obama's last year in office.

Now, McConnell is working to change the rule that hearings on Federal Judge appointments aren't going to be allowed to go on for 30 hours. But rather only two hours. Two hours! They are boldly seeding the courts at all levels so we'll lose the Judiciary Branch for the next 30 years.

The subpoena should be sent immediately.

We don't have time for the usual protocols.

There is an extreme threat to the country going on and I don't mean Russia. I mean this Republican Party.

It does sometimes feel like everyone is sleep walking.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
86. Exactly right, zentrum. Thank you. But let's wait a few more weeks with extended deadlines and not
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 02:58 AM
Mar 2019

get overly excited about a weak-assed offense...AGAIN!

Wierd that a certain contingent here is trying to stifle my "concern" with insults and smart-ass remarks.

Very curious indeed considering most of those flocking to my posts are long-time, supposedly respected DUers. Makes me wonder what the hell is going on here.

KPN

(15,585 posts)
60. Not taking a side in this, but what "procedure"
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:57 PM
Mar 2019

are you talking about? Is there a codified process for this?

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
62. Please read my post; I laid it out there
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:59 PM
Mar 2019

If you don't want to hear it, that's fine. But that's how things are usually done.

KPN

(15,585 posts)
66. Key words: "usually are done". These arent
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 07:11 PM
Mar 2019

usual times and haven’t been for a long time. We’ve been following the rules and protocol while they’ve been riding roughshod over them — for a decade now if not more.

There’s a reason we have the old saw “nice guys come in last.” Also, “all’s fair in love and war”. We’ve been in a war that is not of our making with the GOP for decades, though somehow we don’t seem to grasp that.

So I’m taking a side then. Time for subpoenas.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,267 posts)
8. Yeah, dammit!
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 05:03 PM
Mar 2019

Why didn't Nadler send a couple of baseball bat-wielding guys named Vinnie and Guido to his house late last night? Fucking weak-ass Democrats!

at140

(6,110 posts)
34. Even better why didn't Nadler punch Barr in the mouth
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:25 PM
Mar 2019

for not making Mueller report public immediately without any redactions?

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
47. Thanks for contributing...well, nothing.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:44 PM
Mar 2019


At least my anger is righteous. Curious that my anger is abhorred.
 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
51. Why a deadline for a party that is known for trickery and stonewalling? Where are the subpoenas?
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:48 PM
Mar 2019

They may be ignored, but at least they'll be out there. Where are they? Why give dirty liars and cheaters and stonewallers any time to continue their deeds?

at140

(6,110 posts)
56. AG Barr said he will submit the full Mueller report by April 15th
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:54 PM
Mar 2019

with necessary redactions of classified material and secret jury proceedings.
And further that he will not send a copy to White House for review before sending it to congress.
Pressure put on him by Nadler & Schiff and Schumer is working. I give all of them high marks.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
68. 2 more weeks is not acceptable. Especially when that is on the other side of the already
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 07:20 PM
Mar 2019

established date of April 2.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
78. No, he did not say that ...
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 08:12 PM
Mar 2019
And further that he will not send a copy to White House for review before sending it to congress.


He didn't say that. He said there were "no plans" to send a copy. Two entirely different things.

And he didn't say April 15th, he said "mid-April". You may think that's the same thing, but it's not.

Please try to be more accurate in your comments. There's enough bad info floating around.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
90. I understand your frustration and share your concern with the lack of fortitude by too many Democrats
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 07:02 AM
Mar 2019

It has appeared to me that the Democrats have tolerated far too much lack of cooperation on the entire spectrum of governance by the Republicans. The Republicans have become the obstructionist party as was especially demonstrated during President Obama's presidency. They have abused certain aspects of government that were put in place for extremely important situations. Such as blocking nominations as in the case of the Supreme Court, shutting down government and numerous other bills solely for political leverage while sacrificing the welfare of the nation.

The powers that were invested in the presidency and the various agencies, such as within the Department of Justice, were granted to protect the citizens. Rather than protecting they are being abused to prevent complete transparency that is the hallmark of a democratic government and not an authoritarian dictatorship. This not a new development, but one that has steadily intensifying dating from the criminal Nixon presidency. Each successive Republican presidency has seen gross abuses of power and lack of cooperation by Republican dominated congresses that allowed us even to be taken to war on absolute falsely generated evidence.

Yes, I agree with your concern and I too believe that it has been allowed to develop to the point that threatens to the very foundation of the ideals upon which our government was founded. The citizens have a right and duty to demand complete and total honesty and not subterfuge that are solely political.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
6. If the report truly not showed Trump to be blameless, that administration would have ALREADY
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 05:03 PM
Mar 2019

made it public to anyone that wanted it. They are nothing but cheats and liars.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
11. "They are nothing but cheats and liars." Thank you! And the minute Barr tried to move the date
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 05:08 PM
Mar 2019

past April 2, which they should not have given to start with, Nadler should have issued subpoenas for Mueller, Barr, and the Mueller Report.

Where are the subpoenas, those of you insulting me for being pissed off?

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
22. I also thought of bringing Mueller in under oath.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 05:57 PM
Mar 2019

Maybe there is a grace period of several weeks that Nadler has to observe. I doubt that Mueller would lie under oath to protect someone that he may have concluded is likely a criminal.

I am still hoping that some patriot copied that report and leaks it.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
23. I hope so, too. There's also the attempt to control the narrative, along with kidnapping the
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:02 PM
Mar 2019

report, to pin this on Democrats as "this generation's WMD". Even right here in this thread, and in others, there's an effort to stifle anger that this report hasn't been forwarded to Congress. It only took minutes for the Barr Summary to be released. They've had ample time for review and even for redactions, yet there's a contingent attempting to deride posters who have had enough of the bullshit and demand release of the Report to Congress.

Curious.

Ligyron

(7,592 posts)
40. It took Star 3 days to get the results of the Whitewater investigation out.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:35 PM
Mar 2019

Sent copies to both houses of Congress along with the underlying evidence and it was available to the press and pubic the same day also. At least that's what I thought I heard Rachael say last night.

That's where the results of Special Council investigations normally go - to Congress, not the AG of the party under investigation.

Curious...

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
41. I know, right! And, because I express my anger, I am constantly insulted by a certain group here.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:37 PM
Mar 2019

Curious.

LTG

(215 posts)
95. Huge differences in the rules governing
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 08:50 PM
Mar 2019

the two investigations. The Independent Counsel was a creature of statute. Starr acted under the auspices of Congress and his report was to be sent in its entirety directly to Congress, who controlled its release to the public.

Starr’s report was considered too full of graphic salacious details of Clinton’s sexual behavior. There was bi-partisan displeasure with the extent of the report. Not long after the statute expired and has never been replaced.

The Special Counsel is a creation of the Justice Department and has rules and regulations that were either created specifically for the Special Counsel, or that already existed and are directly applicable.

Those rules direct the Special Counsel to produce a report explaining his reasonings as to prosecution and declination decisions and present it directly to the AG. He has no authority to send it anywhere else.

The DOJ regs and rules then direct the AG to send to Congress a summary of the primary findings of the Special Counsel. The AG may choose to provide more of the actual report to Congress, but it is his decision. The Special Counsel’s work is done for DOJ and is solely under its authority.

The redactions listed in the second letter’s list of possible redactions are all required under relevant rules and regulations, some with some discretion given the AG.

The Congress can subpoena it, but the law, rules and regulations provide no standing for Congress to demand them. The courts may order their release to Congress or may not as it is internal work product. Regardless, that would ultimately be decided by the Supreme Court, and we know how that would probably go.

I’m sure our Reps know the game and how to play it much better than I do. For now I’m going to trust that they are making good decisions under the circumstances, if not bold ones that might be mostly bluff.

Ligyron

(7,592 posts)
96. Yes, I realize that.
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 02:38 PM
Mar 2019

Former Acting Solicitor General and Democratic wunderkind Neil Katyal drafted the regulations for Special Council Investigations like the one Mueller apparently just concluded. I'm just saying this wasn't the way the results of SC investigations were normally released in the past and I'll just add that I don't think this is a good way to distribute such results. Especially with the DOJ controlled by the administration being investigated. We may never get to see anything unfavorable to Trump or his lackeys that was discovered by Mueller and team so long as Barr and the Trump DOJ control the flow of information.

Neil is a good guy and we've watched him do a minor apology tour within the friendlier parts of our media but this situation he created still sucks.

LTG

(215 posts)
97. Sorry if I was in lecture mode.
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 08:20 PM
Mar 2019

My passions are history, law and details in general. Education is near and dear to my heart and I believe details are important in persuasive discussions, arguments and legal battles.

That does put me in my lecture mode, often without me even noticing. I agree with everything you’ve said. I was primarily telling others the differences between them and now. There are many potential reasons why our Congressional leaders may be proceeding in their current manner. I feel a little trust in those we elected is warranted.

Have a good week, hopefully good things will happen.

Ligyron

(7,592 posts)
98. Oh, NP
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 08:37 PM
Mar 2019

Everything you said was correct.

I trust our Reps as well 'cause we sure don't know what some of them know, that's for sure.

Yes, let's all have a good week, our Reps most especially!

Bettie

(15,997 posts)
25. I suspect that he will wait until after April 2nd
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:14 PM
Mar 2019

which was the date he gave as a deadline to take any further action.

Chin music

(23,001 posts)
33. If it's not there by midnight April2-3rd the subpoena should issue.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:24 PM
Mar 2019

That's why there's date certains....I think.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
39. I hope you're right. As it is, they still have four more days of PR and subterfuge, which seems to
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:35 PM
Mar 2019

be ok with some.

It is not OK with me.

Chin music

(23,001 posts)
44. Me either but, we're mostly friends here.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:39 PM
Mar 2019

No sense getting yourself flagged. Were all pretty fucking tired of the trump circus. I'm glad you keep everyone on their toes about not being lax about it. Trust and believe.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
45. I've had it up to my eyeballs with the tRump circus. Waiting is not ok with me. It took minutes for
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:42 PM
Mar 2019

Barr to fuck us out of the report. Congress should have already known that they would be stonewalled and should have foregone any deadlines and just sent out the subpoenas.

Chin music

(23,001 posts)
52. Im actually watching Alex Jones Deposition part two....and im in the twilight zone just listening to
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:49 PM
Mar 2019

this piece of shit. For another thread I guess though. The gop should be out lawed.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
54. I listened to his show back in the day as personal research. tRump was ALWAYS on there, way before
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:52 PM
Mar 2019

he was on the presidential candidate scene.

I finally had enough and don't want to hear another word from him.

Bettie

(15,997 posts)
26. Aren't there several key members of congress
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:16 PM
Mar 2019

Pelosi, Schiff, and at least two others who have security clearances which allow them to see EVERYTHING without redaction?

Co-equal and all.

NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
18. While there are a lot of excellent Dems on Judiciary
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 05:32 PM
Mar 2019

If Barr does testify, I would love for them to hire a single expert lawyer to do all the questioning, so every 5 or 10 minutes, they go back to the same person to do follow-up.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
35. That would make our guys look weak and incompetent, IMO.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:25 PM
Mar 2019

But they could get someone to advise them beforehand. I think they do that, actually. On both sides.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
31. I'm so proud of our smart, brave Democrats in Congress!!!! Great response, Chairman Nadler!
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:23 PM
Mar 2019

They are not letting anything slide. They are calm, composed, sharp, and tenacious about demanding what is legal and right.

Great response, Rep. Nadler!

Chin music

(23,001 posts)
37. Agreed but, it's a matter of Nat Security to 300+ million people.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:29 PM
Mar 2019

It's time America sees the report trump is claiming exonerates him. Stochastic terrorism and all, that he seems to be ginning up. We need to see what happened in the election 2 years ago. The gop has been given every benefit of the doubt and delay after delay. We matter too. Its time. I believe mr nadler will execute quickly.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
38. So many DUers are content to wait and wait and wait and give the criminal Evil more time to do their
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:32 PM
Mar 2019

damage and to work their PR campaign against us (Democrats), calling this Mueller thing "this generation's WMD".

That is very curious to me, the lack of fire and even some stifling of dissenting anger.

Chin music

(23,001 posts)
42. It's frustrating in general that the Democratics have been stymied so far from
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:38 PM
Mar 2019

seeing it. I trust some people here have different opinions. Not everyone here is a Democrat Im pretty positive. Its time we see it before the gop tells everyone whats in it SO many times, that in the end, w the fake news mantra, they can dodge it's eventual implications. Barr has enough law students and lawyers in his OWN family that they could have combed this report by now.

 

Liberalhammer

(576 posts)
75. I agree with you Democrats have to play hard ball
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 08:02 PM
Mar 2019

Enough with the nicities with the Rethugs. They should have sent subpoenas out on Monday.

At least Schiff city off the Rethug traitors the other day but it's not enough.

Republicans want a dictatorship.

 

DontBooVote

(901 posts)
76. I keep wating for our team to make a huge, bold play and it's day after day of disappointment.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 08:04 PM
Mar 2019

Sick of not street-fighting like our Evil enemies do.

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