Mueller completing his investigation now without further indictments eliminates double jeopardy.

[allgood33]

Perhaps this why Mueller closed shop now.

As I recall, there was a case going before the SCOTUS to eliminate the soverignty of states for same or similar indictments. That is now no longer a huge issue or possiblity since Mueller indicted no others. Junior, Ivanka, and even Donald are now fair game for state indictments.

Or is this just my trying to talk us down?

Reference: https://www.fedagent.com/columns/case-law-update/2619-double-jeopardy-by-separate-sovereigns-before-supreme-court

[Vinnie From Indy]

1. That may very well be the case.

Mueller may have handed the heavy lifting of indicting Jared, Don Jr. and Ivanka to the State of New York.

[allgood33]

4. Or at least the Manhattan AG. November is not that far away.

When Trump is out of office he could very well be facing much deserved jail time along with his corrupt family and friends.

[FakeNoose]

2. Indictments will be initiated, but not by Robert Mueller

That's my take-away from yesterday.

Robert Mueller is very close to retirement and he will finish up his current cases but he's not planning to start any new cases. Mueller has laid groundwork for other prosecutors to take over, and that's nothing for us to be afraid of. The report will be made public and if it's not it will be leaked, in my opinion. This is far from over. Trump is going down, just not today.

As for Robert Mueller, he's close to 75 years old and he's spent almost his entire adult life in service to Uncle Sam. The man has earned a peaceful retirement and time to spend with his grandchildren. Thank you Mr. Mueller for a job well done!

[democratisphere]

3. Mueller has done everything for a good reason.

Mueller's decisions will become more apparent, hopefully soon.

[onenote]

5. What charges do you think Mueller could have brought that would also arise under state law?

I think you're grasping at straws. And why would Mueller rely on state courts rather than pursue cases himself. Do you think he believes the state AGs are better than his team?

[allgood33]

6. His charge was narrow and limited to Russian conspiracy.

All fraud related to trumps banking relations, his Fondation, real estate deals, state money laundering...

[former9thward]

8. Why has not the state prosecuted this before?

Trump has been in NY his entire life. Why didn't the DOJ under Clinton or Obama prosecute? They were in office 16 years.

[uponit7771]

10. No financial records up till now

[former9thward]

12. What?

He files state and federal tax returns every year that are reviewed. The Foundation files reports every year. His construction deals have to be permitted and approved by the City.

[onenote]

14. My point exactly

The Mueller investigation didn't create a double jeopardy risk for those charges, because his investigation wasn't directed at those subjects.

[uponit7771]

9. Bank fraud, about as an open and shut case against any other person on what's publicly known.

[Nevilledog]

7. The case you're referring to is US v. Gamble

Lot of misunderstanding about Gamble. Here's the best article I've come across explaining the Double Jeopardy implications.

https://www.popehat.com/2018/10/04/lawsplainer-no-kavanaughs-confirmation-wont-free-all-of-trumps-crimimous-minions-through-an-obscure-double-jeopardy-case/

[Wounded Bear]

11. Might be a good point...

Junior and White House Barbie will be fair game for State of NY AG.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

13. No it doesn't.

Jeopardy attaches when a jury is sworn in and even then, if there is no verdict rendered (i.e. hung jury), there still is no jeopardy at play.

Only when you are acquitted of a crime by a jury can you not be recharged for it later.

You can be indicted, have the charges dropped, and then have the charges refiled and there is no double jeopardy.

Or you can not be indicted at a certain point, and then later be indicted, and there is no double jeopardy.

[shockey80]

15. I like how you think, good point.