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Sat Mar 23, 2019, 03:39 AM

Preventing his re-election is more important than Mueller's report

and I really think it's very do-able:


Wisconsin/Michigan/Pennsylvania are the key states... everything else is gravy..

The info from the report will take time to work thru the courts.. We just need to focus on not letting him win again.. His loser brigade will follow him over the cliff.. we just need to concentrate on the truly winnable states and let him have the rest..


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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 03:43 AM

1. Anyone who says otherwise is distracting from 2020.

Cheers

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Response to Socal31 (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 03:52 AM

2. Right on! i think we should try hard for OH.

 

Trump insured that FL will never be in play for Dems with his new mantra that "Democrats hate Jews."

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Response to allgood33 (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 05:21 AM

4. OH is definitely on the list

FL would be flipped with a Gillum VP selection.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 05:19 AM

3. If a few more states join the other 12 or so

states who are supporting the move to allow the states to choose whether or not to go with the electoral votes or the popular votes we will have a more realistic election outcome. We have enough states to get 181 electoral votes and need a few more to hit the 270 amount needed.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 05:23 AM

5. Are they all blue states ?

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 05:24 AM

6. So far all of them are.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 05:27 AM

8. I suppose turkeys don't vote for Christmas ! Is it the legislature in each state that

decides ?

It's a great idea though.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 05:26 AM

7. Yes, it is just a distraction currently.

We can win as it is.

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Response to Socal31 (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 05:29 AM

9. True, but the concept is great.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 05:30 AM

10. Here is a list....there are13 so far.

https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/status

Last night MSNNC had the man who is organizing this on and he seemed pretty hopeful that we will get enough by 2020.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 05:49 AM

12. Thanks, that's good to hear. Nice to see some Republican interest in

Some of those States. Hopefully the likes of NM and Va will follow in due course.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 05:45 AM

11. Making sure rule of law is adhered to is more important than political ambitions. Anyone who says

... the opposite is letting another group of people get away with some sick shit.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 06:01 AM

13. Yes, it is, but it's a little early to play around with potential electoral votes...

By 2020 it's even possible that a few more states will change their electoral procedures.

I see two serious things to do...

We have already come up with some great candidates, and what we have to do is keep them looking great and avoid or derail any disruptions to the process. Debates and discussions, not fights, between the candidates.

More urgent is to pay serious attention to local races this year-- that's where we can see trends happening. I have my own gut feeling that many, perhaps most, people are sick of what's going on, but confused how to deal with it. This November they may start working it out locally.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 06:21 AM

14. For those of us Democrats currently living in so-called RED states I thank you for abandoning

once again our local, state and congressional candidates and members. One must ask just how wise this approach has been in past attempts? (You do recall that one, right?)

One must also question just how fair it is to assume that candidacy for national office means you only really want the votes of certain party members even though you collect funds and election workers from the whole party?

The electoral college conundrum needs to be addressed without sacrificing Democrats whom you will certainly need in Congress and the Senate, let alone local and state government.

Perhaps you have forgotten that the Party of NO runs candidates for dog catcher, school board, town and county commission, along with state judges and local magistrates. If there is no national connection we are throwing away the family link of Democratic identity for our candidates for those offices.

The national agenda set by the national candidate matters to local and regional Democrats. Otherwise why vote for that candidate: why identify as a Democrat at all?

I also remind you of the 2016 outcome in states were the conclusion was assumed to the extent that the candidate did not campaign on the ground in the last push to the election. We have had numerous "debates" about that result.

We need to be challenging the Republican machine in EVERY state. The last Democratic President understood that and won by doing so. Why not ask him about that?

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