Fri Mar 22, 2019, 09:44 PM

Nancy Pelosi Nailed It Again

This is why she was smart to tamp down impeachment suggestions. And still people second guess her.

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Nancy Pelosi Nailed It Again (Original post)	SlogginThroughIt	Mar 2019	OP
What the hell? She had no idea what was in the report.	manor321	Mar 2019	#1
No...it's right on point. She can count to 67 even if some other people can't.	Baltimike	Mar 2019	#6
And impeachment would take	PatSeg	Mar 2019	#33
exactly. We have to play the hand we're dealt, not the one we want. nt	Baltimike	Mar 2019	#41
And fortunately, we have a lot of remarkable people	PatSeg	Mar 2019	#42
Here's to Hoping! nt	Baltimike	Mar 2019	#43
Yeah, gotta have hope!	PatSeg	Mar 2019	#44
Nancy Pelosi is absolutely correct.	democratisphere	Mar 2019	#10
There's that and there's making statements that would be used against us if she did.	SlogginThroughIt	Mar 2019	#17
I used to underestimate her	PatSeg	Mar 2019	#34
No she's not, Nixon didn't have Faux News and presidents aren't kings even ones with their own news	uponit7771	Mar 2019	#28
If the attempt to impeach drumpf fails because of the redrumpflicon	democratisphere	Mar 2019	#39
We are upholding the rule of law and if Red Don goes to jail tomorrow MAGA Cult will claim a win	uponit7771	Mar 2019	#40
Oh I don't think she knows either	SlogginThroughIt	Mar 2019	#11
It's been clear for some time that Mueller's investigation likely was not any worse than	Hoyt	Mar 2019	#22
Are you saying that she knew tRump had not committed impeachable offenses ?	CentralMass	Mar 2019	#2
I am saying that she said she DIDN'T know that.	SlogginThroughIt	Mar 2019	#19
If the Speaker hadn't "taken impeachment off the table* during the Bush	CentralMass	Mar 2019	#27
+1, " the house has a constututional obligation to protect the people." Nixon didn't have FAUX News	uponit7771	Mar 2019	#29
+1	CentralMass	Mar 2019	#31
Welcome to DU. Many new acquaintances being made tonight.	rzemanfl	Mar 2019	#3
When one feels like vomiting over this news they look for comfort.	SlogginThroughIt	Mar 2019	#9
Welcome to the board ... you've come on a bad night ...	mr_lebowski	Mar 2019	#14
I came here in 2001 after the coup of 2000	WhiteTara	Mar 2019	#24
Hopefully they are all more motivated after this night.	SlogginThroughIt	Mar 2019	#15
Okay, newbs. nt	Tommy_Carcetti	Mar 2019	#4
Sure that's fine.	SlogginThroughIt	Mar 2019	#8
Giving Republicans veto power over impeachment	BeyondGeography	Mar 2019	#5
how did she do that?	SlogginThroughIt	Mar 2019	#13
The Fix: Nancy Pelosi just handed Republicans veto power over impeaching Trump	BeyondGeography	Mar 2019	#20
Ok. That's an opinion piece.	SlogginThroughIt	Mar 2019	#21
Agreed.	TwilightZone	Mar 2019	#25
One shouldn't need an opinion piece to understand the reality of the situation.	TwilightZone	Mar 2019	#23
She didn't give them anything.	TwilightZone	Mar 2019	#16
DU is as a community, not easily manipulated I've found...	hlthe2b	Mar 2019	#7
It sure seems like a great community!	SlogginThroughIt	Mar 2019	#12
It is for the most part	PatSeg	Mar 2019	#35
It is. This is just a tough day for some.	defacto7	Mar 2019	#36
yeah.. thats smart.. come out and tamp down the collusion and conspiracy claim... the one they have	lancelyons	Mar 2019	#18
IIRC she said at this time...	SlogginThroughIt	Mar 2019	#26
NP is factually wrong, Nixon didn't have FAUX News so there will never ever be a time for	uponit7771	Mar 2019	#30
Speaker Pelosi is a great leader	Gothmog	Mar 2019	#32
Impeach, don't Impeach. It like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic!	GulfCoast66	Mar 2019	#37
Besides, do you folks REALLY want a POTUS named Mike Pence??	DinahMoeHum	Mar 2019	#38

Response to SlogginThroughIt (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 09:48 PM

manor321 (3,344 posts)

1. What the hell? She had no idea what was in the report.

Some threads tonight. Jesus Christ.

Nancy is completely wrong. She says impeachment is pointless unless Republicans agree. It's fucking ridiculous.

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Response to manor321 (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 09:51 PM

Baltimike (3,740 posts)

6. No...it's right on point. She can count to 67 even if some other people can't.

To demand impeachment without the Senate is to DRIVE THE FUCKING GET AWAY CAR FOR THE TRAITORS.

The Russian infiltration and HACK into the 2016 election is the biggest story of our lifetime. Impeaching him without the votes on the side that does the convicting will only get him off for his crimes.

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 11:24 PM

PatSeg (44,550 posts)

33. And impeachment would take

much needed resources away from the investigations that are essential to reveal the truth about Trump and his administration and family. Pelosi knows what she's doing.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #33)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:15 AM

Baltimike (3,740 posts)

41. exactly. We have to play the hand we're dealt, not the one we want. nt

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #41)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:42 AM

PatSeg (44,550 posts)

42. And fortunately, we have a lot of remarkable people

working both behind the scenes and in the public eye to bring down this corrupt administration.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #42)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:44 AM

Baltimike (3,740 posts)

43. Here's to Hoping! nt

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #43)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:49 AM

PatSeg (44,550 posts)

44. Yeah, gotta have hope!

I have to say that I've been really impressed with the Democrats we have in DC right now, especially in the House. Smart, focused, and dedicated. I wouldn't want to be up against them!

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Response to manor321 (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 09:57 PM

democratisphere (17,235 posts)

10. Nancy Pelosi is absolutely correct.

There is no way to get drumpf removed from office with the redrumpflicon controlled Senate.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:05 PM

SlogginThroughIt (1,977 posts)

17. There's that and there's making statements that would be used against us if she did.

I think she is absolutely brilliant and has a calm and metered reaoonse that we desperately need. I honestly think she is a treasure that doesn’t get nearly the respect that she deserves. Ashamedly I used to question her. She is a very good leader for us at a very important time.

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #17)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 11:25 PM

PatSeg (44,550 posts)

34. I used to underestimate her

Now I'm so impressed.

Welcome to DU!!!

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:50 PM

uponit7771 (88,340 posts)

28. No she's not, Nixon didn't have Faux News and presidents aren't kings even ones with their own news

... outlets

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #28)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 05:39 AM

democratisphere (17,235 posts)

39. If the attempt to impeach drumpf fails because of the redrumpflicon

controlled Senate, then where are we. Absolutely nowhere and drumpf wins again.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #39)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 06:13 AM

uponit7771 (88,340 posts)

40. We are upholding the rule of law and if Red Don goes to jail tomorrow MAGA Cult will claim a win

... so anything outside of upholding rule of law is moot point.

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Response to manor321 (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 09:58 PM

SlogginThroughIt (1,977 posts)

11. Oh I don't think she knows either

Oh I don’t think she knows either. But I also don’t think she is stupid enough to get catfished into giving a soundbyte that turns out really bad. Sure there are some democrats that will disagree with her but had she come out saying absolutely we are going to impeach him regardless of the mueller report well that would have been foolish to do. In the end I think there is a very good chance yet that we may see an impeachment yet. All depends on what the other investigations turn up.

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Response to manor321 (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:20 PM

Hoyt (54,770 posts)

22. It's been clear for some time that Mueller's investigation likely was not any worse than

we already knew or reasonably suspected. Not enough GOPer Senators and/or trump supporters even cared about any of that. Impeachment would have been another failure in the end.

We need to concentrate on beating trump, or a substitute, in 2020.

Still some small hope report is more damning than it seems at the moment.

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 09:48 PM

CentralMass (14,514 posts)

2. Are you saying that she knew tRump had not committed impeachable offenses ?

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Response to CentralMass (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:09 PM

SlogginThroughIt (1,977 posts)

19. I am saying that she said she DIDN'T know that.

I am saying that she said she DIDN’T know that. And because she knew that she didn’t know that for sure that she couldn’t make the statement that we would move to impeach based on that. We all WANT him to be removed. We would all LOVE for that to happen. Sometimes our passion for something makes us say things in the moment that work against our goals in the end. She is brilliant for not succumbing to that.

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:49 PM

CentralMass (14,514 posts)

27. If the Speaker hadn't "taken impeachment off the table* during the Bush

Administration and then preemptively declared that " trump was not worth impeaching," I might agree with you.

If a President has committed impeachable offenses the house has a constututional obligation to protect the people. It not a flip a coin choice or a political one. Impeachment is a protection for the people against the abuse of power and it apparently doesn't exist anymore. This is not some crooked bill being worked in back rooms. "Well we dont have the votes." That is irrelevant. The House has an obligation to bring Article of impeachment against this cretin if he is found to have committed Impeachable offenses. tRump is exactly the kind of tyrant that the founding fathers were worried about when the created the mechanism

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Response to CentralMass (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:53 PM

uponit7771 (88,340 posts)

29. +1, " the house has a constututional obligation to protect the people." Nixon didn't have FAUX News

... so there's never a "political" time for impeachment anymore.

It's one of the reasons where there was the fairness docturine so FAUX News networks can't become political mouth pieces.

sigh

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #29)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:57 PM

CentralMass (14,514 posts)

31. +1

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 09:48 PM

rzemanfl (29,126 posts)

3. Welcome to DU. Many new acquaintances being made tonight.

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 09:55 PM

SlogginThroughIt (1,977 posts)

9. When one feels like vomiting over this news they look for comfort.

There is no better place to turn. A friend of mine links to here often on FB.

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:00 PM

mr_lebowski (30,310 posts)

14. Welcome to the board ... you've come on a bad night ...

Nobody is going to trust anyone new, you have to understand.

I get your point, for one ...

And I suspect Nancy had a pretty good idea what was coming.

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:27 PM

WhiteTara (27,900 posts)

24. I came here in 2001 after the coup of 2000

I too felt like vomiting from the news. This place may help soothe you; do understand that we (DU) has been a direct target and during time of great distress, we attract lots of trolls and bots. Please don't be offended; we're mostly crazy and our hair has been on fire so long that our eyes are almost bulging.

Welcome! My you find comfort here.

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:02 PM

SlogginThroughIt (1,977 posts)

15. Hopefully they are all more motivated after this night.

Eagerly awaiting our nominee to jump in and get on board

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 09:50 PM

Tommy_Carcetti (41,805 posts)

4. Okay, newbs. nt

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 09:54 PM

SlogginThroughIt (1,977 posts)

8. Sure that's fine.

Insult new members. We all have to earn our stripes sometimes right? Imagine that me supporting our speaker on a democratic party support site getting the insult welcome. Awesome.

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 09:50 PM

BeyondGeography (38,514 posts)

5. Giving Republicans veto power over impeachment

Yeah, brilliant.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:00 PM

SlogginThroughIt (1,977 posts)

13. how did she do that?

I am not sure what you mean. How did she give them that power?

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:09 PM

BeyondGeography (38,514 posts)

20. The Fix: Nancy Pelosi just handed Republicans veto power over impeaching Trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/12/nancy-pelosi-hands-republicans-veto-power-over-impeaching-trump/?utm_term=.27daf6c9b874

... Democrats are effectively giving the Republican Party veto power over whether Trump should be impeached. They are saying that, even if the evidence is damning in their minds, unless Republicans agree, they shouldn’t move forward. Their impeachment standard isn’t so much the Constitution’s “high crimes and misdemeanors” but rather “high crimes and misdemeanors that Republicans agree upon.”

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:13 PM

SlogginThroughIt (1,977 posts)

21. Ok. That's an opinion piece.

Offering oppinions to other people’s opinions is what its all about so that’s fair. I think that piece is pretty far fetched given republicans needed absolutely no help from her at all to block an impeachment in the senate. But I guess that’s just a difference in opinion.

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:28 PM

TwilightZone (21,570 posts)

25. Agreed.

The Republicans already had "veto power". It's called enough votes to block a conviction.

The assertion that we should impeach, especially now, when it is 100% doomed to failure is remarkably misguided. I have no idea why so many people think we should do it anyway. Continue the investigations and let the SDNY and the AGs do their jobs.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:25 PM

TwilightZone (21,570 posts)

23. One shouldn't need an opinion piece to understand the reality of the situation.

They already had veto power. It's called enough votes to block a conviction.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:04 PM

TwilightZone (21,570 posts)

16. She didn't give them anything.

Last I checked, they control the Senate.

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 09:52 PM

hlthe2b (95,503 posts)

7. DU is as a community, not easily manipulated I've found...

That's a good thing...

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 09:59 PM

SlogginThroughIt (1,977 posts)

12. It sure seems like a great community!

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 11:31 PM

PatSeg (44,550 posts)

35. It is for the most part

I've been here since 2004 (officially) and a reader/lurker before that. I've learned not to let a few push my buttons. Its easy not to take the bait and just move on.

You're doing fine!

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 11:35 PM

defacto7 (13,485 posts)

36. It is. This is just a tough day for some.

An unnecessarily tough day in my opinion. Too many expectations, not enough foresight.

Welcome.

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:07 PM

lancelyons (988 posts)

18. yeah.. thats smart.. come out and tamp down the collusion and conspiracy claim... the one they have

yeah.. thats smart.. come out and tamp down the collusion and conspiracy claim... the one they have pushing for the last couple years.

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Response to lancelyons (Reply #18)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:32 PM

SlogginThroughIt (1,977 posts)

26. IIRC she said at this time...

But she said if there is evidence that led to it that impeachment was an option. That is smart. On the other hand we had a freshmen Rep saying “We’re going to impeach the mother fucker” -for the record I applauded her saying that in her position. It showed fire and passion and as a freshmen rep who likely won fir having that stance I think thats just fine. As a leader for the party whose words reflect upon all of our members needing to be re-elected... Yes... In fact quite smart of her. Indeed!

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 10:54 PM

uponit7771 (88,340 posts)

30. NP is factually wrong, Nixon didn't have FAUX News so there will never ever be a time for

... impeachment if political polls were the metric.

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 11:18 PM

Gothmog (124,346 posts)

32. Speaker Pelosi is a great leader

I agree with Speaker Pelosi’s handlingof this issue

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Original post)

Fri Mar 22, 2019, 11:45 PM

GulfCoast66 (11,949 posts)

37. Impeach, don't Impeach. It like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic!

There will be no conviction in the Senate. And most of our new members of the House are from republican leaning districts. They are moderates. There is no assurance we could even impeach.

There is one way to defeat republicans and Trump. Through elections. Many of us have known that from the git-go.

Too many DU members believe that investigators will solve our problems. Nancy knows better.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #37)

Sat Mar 23, 2019, 12:06 AM

DinahMoeHum (21,048 posts)

38. Besides, do you folks REALLY want a POTUS named Mike Pence??

I'd rather we the voters kick the crap out of the GOP in the elections of 2019 and 2020 so that when Trump is forced to leave office in January 2021. . .BANG!. . .BUSTED !! Off to the SDNY for indictment and trial - for starters.

The state courts can then have him and his family - or whatever's left.

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