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Thu Mar 21, 2019, 03:08 PM

Look at These Absolutely Ordinary Americans Who Hate Medicare for All

https://splinternews.com/look-at-these-absolutely-ordinary-americans-who-hate-me-1833380461

The Partnership for America’s Health Care Future

Here are some “ordinary citizens” who have recently been featured in the press as people who are completely OK with the state of American healthcare and totally opposed to Medicare for All or any other project to reform America’s worst-in-the-world health care system: “Mustafa Tameez, businessman, Texas” (Tameez is managing director at Texas-based Outreach Strategists, a public affairs and lobbying firm that reps Blue Cross Blue Shield of Texas, University of Texas Physicians, and St. Luke’s Hospital).

Another health care status quo enthusiast is “Jim Corson, Montana” (Corson was a 14 year veteran of the staff of Sen Max Baucus, the former Senate Finance Committee who killed ACA’s public option).

“James Rang” is just an ordinary dude who wrote a letter to the editor opposing single-payer because it was bad for the “free market” (Rang is vice president in the employee benefits department at the Friedman Group – that is, he’s a health-insurance salesman).

Florida businessman “Carlos Carbonell” is one of the “influential leaders” cited in the Orlando Sentinel’s piece on opposition to health-care reform (Carbonell is a Public Affairs Advisor” at Converge Strategies, a lobbyist that reps the health care industry).

“Jack A. Roy,” a proud son of Massachussetts, and he “[does] understand how this could work” (Roy is the former head of the Haverhill City Republican Committee.).

In Des Moines, “Mark Havlicek” is a businessman who is adamant in his opposition to single-payer (Havlicek is a “political consultant” and “committed Republican activist” who was on Jeb Bush’s Iowa leadership team).

These examples were compiled by Splinter’s Libby Watson, who learned about them through press-releases from the lobbying group Partnership for America’s Health Care Future (PAHCF), whose members include Pharma, the pharmaceutical industry lobby group.

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Response to 7wo7rees (Original post)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 03:12 PM

1. Surprised they used "real" people for their "ordinary citizens". Dump uses paid actors.

Pretty soon they'll all be lifelike avatars espousing anything and everything.

And if we aren't careful and vigilant, we'll believe a bunch of them.
(By "we", I mean everyone, not just the vigilant DUers.)

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Response to 7wo7rees (Original post)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 03:45 PM

2. An amazing string of coincidental coincidences!

Another grass roots movement like the Tea Baggers.

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Response to 7wo7rees (Original post)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 03:50 PM

3. Just because someone wears expensive shoes, takes legislators out for expensive lunches,

donates millions to campaigns, and hires former elected officials to lobby...that does not mean that they're not ordinary people.

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Response to 7wo7rees (Original post)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 04:24 PM

4. I can smell the AstroTurf from here

"Grass Roots" my ass!

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Response to 7wo7rees (Original post)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 05:22 PM

5. Before ACA was passed,

114 working class Americans died each day due to lack of health care. That's exponentially more Americans than ISIS has killed.

If you move the decimal point and suicide bombers killed 11.4 Americans per day, the "patriots" in the GOP would give DHS a blank check to prevent the carnage. But because Obama's name was put on the ACA, the racist SOBs want the whole thing killed.

They don't realize that Repubs can have pre-existing conditions too--or that they also enjoy not having a $1 million cap on benefits and their kids are covered until age 26.

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Response to CaptYossarian (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 05:57 PM

8. The politicians behind this are rich, have rich buddies, don't care about the poor getting screwed

They might be racists, but the main thing is surely the money, not really Obama.

Their idiot followers keep shooting themselves -- and the rest of us -- in the foot, and that probably is due to racism.

(and gullibility)

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Response to 7wo7rees (Original post)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 05:27 PM

6. The next Fox focus group

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Response to 7wo7rees (Original post)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 05:55 PM

7. JFC, why do republicans always have to make shit up to argue their ideas.

Yea, kind of rhetorical but this is a classic...misleading name, insiders trying to portray themselves as "concerned citizens", calling an industry-supported group "grass roots"...etc. I repeat myself here but I'm serious, if republicans think their ideas are so good, why are they so dishonest and deceitful about them. They should represent them truthfully and honestly if they think their ideas are better than Democratic proposals. But they're not and they know damn good and well that republican "solutions" are in support of rich people only while the rest of us have to foot the bill. The MAGATS who have to work for a living are being played for fools.

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Response to 7wo7rees (Original post)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 06:00 PM

9. I hate to say this folks, but I don't want Medicare. Here's what I know:



I’ve been in healthcare since 1975. I was also a caregiver for a friend who has died of ALS, and I saw up close how Medicare works. For example, I recall a regular PPO insurance policy will cover you for a breathing apparatus (CPap) when your breathing is 67% of normal. Medicare will cover the same breathing apparatus when breathing is 37% of normal.

I think those numbers are right, it was 8 years ago. But you can see, the coverage is not that good. The guidelines would be the same even if you carried the highest and best supplements in order to make your co-pay zero. You still have to follow their guidelines.

You can have one (custom) wheelchair in your lifetime, and it will take at least 6 months to get it. It’s very slow and bureaucratic, they don’t care if you die waiting.

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Response to Pinkflamingo (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 06:23 PM

10. or, of course

you could die just because you had not insurance at all.

I'll take the Medicare I have. Sure beats the alternative.

It would be great if those that didn't want their medicare/medicaid/social security or any other of the benefits of
a progressive society could be able to just write a letter, get a notary and exempt themselves. Think of all the
money we'd save.

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Response to Pinkflamingo (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 06:27 PM

11. Many of us agree. Medicare for all does not equal healthcare for all

Which we all support.

Besides it would mean destroying all elements of our current system which the 50% of Americans who get their insurance from their employers would never vote for.

We can use the ACA to move to a French like system which keeps employers in the mix much easier. And its a better system.

We can win on this message.

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