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Wed Mar 20, 2019, 10:22 AM

Here's an idea - an attack candidate

Democrats need somebody that does not ever expect to win. Somebody that can run, get on TV, and in debates. And that person just nails Trump in a way the others can't. Think about that. A candidate that comes on TV and just flat out says Trump is a moron. That he is a lying racist con man. And sticks some label on Trump - like "Comrade Trump" - In every interview, they refer to Trump as "Comrade Trump" and do it in debates too. Then the rest of the field can be respectful and nice and let Trump have a dose of his own medicine. Just a thought.

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Reply Here's an idea - an attack candidate (Original post)
extvbroadcaster Mar 2019 OP
Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #1
Hoyt Mar 2019 #2
Javaman Mar 2019 #3
lagomorph777 Mar 2019 #4
Javaman Mar 2019 #6
SlogginThroughIt Mar 2019 #5
imanamerican63 Mar 2019 #7
Whiskeytide Mar 2019 #13
LiberalLovinLug Mar 2019 #18
extvbroadcaster Mar 2019 #8
Whiskeytide Mar 2019 #14
CrispyQ Mar 2019 #9
maxsolomon Mar 2019 #10
groundloop Mar 2019 #11
Chakaconcarne Mar 2019 #12
mac56 Mar 2019 #15
LiberalLovinLug Mar 2019 #16
Jarqui Mar 2019 #30
mopinko Mar 2019 #17
JudyM Mar 2019 #32
kimbutgar Mar 2019 #19
gopiscrap Mar 2019 #20
Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #21
The Wizard Mar 2019 #22
kentuck Mar 2019 #23
JudyM Mar 2019 #33
Rhiannon12866 Mar 2019 #24
InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #26
Rhiannon12866 Mar 2019 #27
InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #29
Rhiannon12866 Mar 2019 #31
UniteFightBack Mar 2019 #25
Mr.Bill Mar 2019 #28
JunkYardDogg Mar 2019 #34
Amyishere Mar 2019 #35
zentrum Mar 2019 #36
BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #37
LiberalLovinLug Mar 2019 #39
BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #40
LiberalLovinLug Mar 2019 #41
BobMcWan Mar 2019 #38

Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 10:30 AM

1. Traditionally the role of the VP choice

on the ticket.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 10:31 AM

2. We're going to end up running against trump, only to have him dropout at last minute. His replacment

His replacement will be some "moderate" who leaves us flatfooted, if we are not careful. But, then, I never thought trump had a chance in 2016.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 10:33 AM

3. the orange asshole will never drop out...

his ego and rampant narcissism prevents that from happening.

he will lose and will have to be dragged out of the WH in handcuffs.

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Response to Javaman (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 10:36 AM

4. I think Hoyt means the attack dog would drop out, leaving us stuck with a "centrist"...

and to me, "centrist" is somebody who always takes the center position between the center and right-wing crazies. That approach is doomed to drift farther and farther to the right, and appeal to nobody; losing the election.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 10:37 AM

6. I see what you mean but the logic/sentence structure makes it hard to determine that. nt

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 10:36 AM

5. I think the OP means during our primary debates

 

Interesting strategy. Once a candidate is starting to look like they are not going to make it have them assume the attack position.... Although hell that may be the move that makes them viable again!

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 10:39 AM

7. Wasn't this the way Trump won?

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Response to imanamerican63 (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:51 PM

13. Exactly right. n/t.

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Response to imanamerican63 (Reply #7)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 03:56 PM

18. That was my thought. He (or she) would probably win the primary

But even if that person simply did well, the biggest accomplishment would wake up the Democratic party brass into finally realizing that the public is (sadly) so jaded now that if you don't come out hard and vicious against your opponent, you are not going to be heard. I really wish going high when they go low actually worked. But it doesn't in this poisoned social media era.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 11:15 AM

8. I think Trump would be caught flat footed

Trump's secret weapon is that he is a crude boor with money willing to say nasty things that others won't. Look at what he said about McCain. Nobody with any class at all would do something like that. But if somebody stood up to Trump, called him an asshole and Russian mole on TV and to his face - that would be the best thing for America.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:53 PM

14. Clinton did that. In a debate. It didn't work. n/t

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 11:22 AM

9. It would at least be a way to get different framing out there.

Something the dems suck at - framing & capturing the narrative.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 12:35 PM

10. That person should be our nominee.

Trump depends on the decorum of others for his "Insult-Comic Presidency" to work.

Our Nominee needs to point at him and laugh. Don't debate the words, debate the TECHNIQUE. Expose his Con IN REAL TIME. Use his bleached fake hair as an example of his Narcissism. Emasculate him.

Who can do that?

Maybe Harris, maybe O'Rourke. I don't see other options right now.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:36 PM

11. I've said for quite a while what's important is someone who will kick some repub ass

I'm not as concerned about relatively minor differences in candidates platforms (within reason - they still need to be a solid Democrat), what's most needed is a President who can put repubs in their place, twist their arms, and get stuff done. In that respect maybe Joe Biden, but I'm still keeping an open mind.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:45 PM

12. Yep.... like a soldier to take the brunt of GOP attacks and not be concerned about the PC filter.

The GOP did this in 2016 to an extent but used all candidates to help thwart focused attacks from the left.

The GOP also needs a label.... "corrupt" that should be a unified message.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 03:13 PM

15. We need a heckler.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 03:51 PM

16. Avenatti?

He'd be perfect.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 08:27 PM

30. +1

I was looking for who might bring him up.

I don't want him as leader. But he can make his case with the media.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 03:55 PM

17. i nominate bernie.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 08:38 PM

32. Bernie leverages some seriously pointed attacks on tRump, for sure. He takes no prisoners.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 04:00 PM

19. Al Franken would be a great attacker

Take the orange maggot down with humor and biting satire. Id donate to his campaign in a heartbeat.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 04:23 PM

20. I would be willing to do that

but don't have the clout or name recognition

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 05:06 PM

21. If a candidate were like that, he'd win. So the devious plan fails, because it's too good.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 05:07 PM

22. Alan Grayson.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 08:04 PM

23. attack him as anti-American.

Which he is.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 08:40 PM

33. You are so right, he masquerades well. The mask needs to be ripped off him and shredded.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 08:05 PM

24. I vote for Maxine Waters!

She's not afraid to tell it like it is and I love her!

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #24)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 08:16 PM

26. THIS!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #26)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 08:20 PM

27. Thanks! Isn't she great?!

We need to see and hear more from her each and every day!

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 08:25 PM

29. Absolutely adore Maxine... I would seriously love it if she ran and was our nominee.

Maxine doesn't take shit from anyone... speaks her mind and is consistent on progressive issues.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #29)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 08:28 PM

31. I would enthusiastically vote for her, too! For any office at any time!

She is sharp as a tack and has the courage of her convictions!

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 08:09 PM

25. I like it and it would need to be someone extremely quick witted because we can't go as low as rump.

 

I am available.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 08:24 PM

28. We need to choose this person carefully.

They might win.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2019, 09:46 PM

34. Malcom Nance is the Dude for that job

What would really be great, Triumph the Insult Dogg
could you picture that on a debate stage

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 08:19 AM

35. Al Franken

'nuff said.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 08:38 AM

36. Constantly calling HRC

....."Crooked Hillary" sure worked for Trump voters. But if we call names, then we're all in the gutter of "reality TV" language, which I think may be one of the things the country will not recover from after Trump. That our degraded language is reflecting a deeper loss in the sense of who we are.

For example when Trump called Conway's husband "a jealous loser"---it's appalling. That the President of America talks like this? It's really low grade.

But I think it's too late for "taking the high road". We've got to be tough because we have to win the office back and then try to restore its dignity from within.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 09:08 AM

37. The problem is

 

that such an attack candidate will actually win the primaries in today's charged environment.

Every time I see Democrats on TV being respectful to the orange buffoon, I cringe; but I also know that they have to respect the office.

If any candidate did that, I may be tempted to vote for him/her.

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Response to BlueFlorida (Reply #37)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 03:25 PM

39. But what is that telling us? Or the party brass?

Despite Trump branding himself as someone who "tells it like it is" He doesn't. He lies all the time. But that mantra DID win.

Imagine if we had a candidate that could also "tell it like it is" Only they would stick to the actual facts, not alternate facts. And attack with those facts. That is why someone like Avenatti would be fantastic.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #39)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 04:29 PM

40. Trump was and is an exception

 

He touted himself as a billionaire, was a reality TV star where he was portrayed as a successful entrepreneur and he had never held a political office before.

For these reasons he got the pass on all the horrible behavior and still gets it today in some quarters.

Trump has a knack of bringing people down to his low level and beat them with experience. Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and a few others tried going low and it didn't work.

We need someone like Obama, young, energetic, intelligent, hope instilling, charismatic and INSPIRING. Going low and out loud-mouthing Trump will not work well.

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Response to BlueFlorida (Reply #40)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 05:02 PM

41. Respectfully, I disagree

Well, okay, if we had another Obama, it may work. Or a Franken Someone who by their sheer positive energy could help to expose the cretin in their light.

But I just don't see anyone on the D side that can reach the same level as Obama did. No, this time we need to fight fire with fire. Beat him at his own game. What I would like to see is someone who is very smart, and has all the refuting facts, and their sources, memorized for every possible fake charge Trump might throw out there in a debate, and give it back as good as they get it. That will be their ammunition. The gun will be their ability to communicate in a forceful, but effective way that can stand up to Trump's iying, and interrupting. IMO Hillary just did not have the chops for it. She had the facts on her side, but was an ineffective communicator against such a boor. We need someone not afraid to make Trump look like an idiot. Too much excusing themselves because of a "respect for the office". This big asshole does not respect the office. How is respecting the office, which is held by someone who pisses on the office, law enforcement, the constitution, exactly working out?

I think a lot of the public interprets "going high" with weakness. Especially if that "going high" means thinking that zero response to some childish tweet is somehow communicating to the nation that you are beneath responding, and they will respect that more than "speaking what's on your mind". And it can easily be re-interpreted by "the most watched news network" as being that Democrats don't actually have any plausible retort. This is why AOC is so effective. She responds immediately with bite.

That kind of thinking lost Gore and Kerry their elections. And maybe even Hillary's. It is an arrogant altruistic belief that the other side must have the same good heart, that can be empathetic, and rational, and ethical, as they are, somewhere deep down. And that eventually....if they only wait long enough, and if the MSM (fingers crossed) presents all the facts fairly, the public will rush to their side.

No! The public, in a very generalized way, WANTS to see some push back. Politely countering them with facts and figures, as opposed to attacking their lies with the same venomous language. That lack of passion, is interpreted as meaning they do not believe much in their platform, or in the words they are saying. i wish that weren't the case, but it is.

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Response to extvbroadcaster (Original post)

Thu Mar 21, 2019, 02:49 PM

38. This is why I was excited about Richard Ojeda.

I was SO looking forward to hearing him on the campaign trail and in the debates. Sorry to say we'll never know but I suspect he would have been the Democrat with no filter, just like 45.
I think Bernie does a nice job of reminding his audience that we're up against a lying racist con man.
One of the reasons I like Tulsi is she served in Iraq, just like Ojeda, and I don't think 45 would make her blink.

Oh...forgot to add: I expect the candidates to be respectful and nice to one another, but no respect is due our opponent. I would like to see our nominee treat him with the respect we all deserve as human beings, but that doesn't mean he gets home field advantage and we battle him on whatever planet he lives on. I seem to recall Elizabeth Warren saying something along those lines.

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