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underpants

(182,563 posts)
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 07:12 PM Mar 2019

NYT - A Mar-a-Lago Weekend and an Act of God: Trump's History With Deutsche Bank

Long article going waaaay back into their history.


Mr. Trump and Deutsche Bank were deeply entwined, their symbiotic bond born of necessity and ambition on both sides: a real estate mogul made toxic by polarizing rhetoric and a pattern of defaults, and a bank with intractable financial problems and a history of misconduct.

In the weeks before Ms. Vrablic attended his swearing-in, the bank commissioned reports to figure out how it had gotten in so deep with Mr. Trump. It issued an unusual edict to its Wall Street employees: Do not publicly utter the word “Trump.”

Over nearly two decades, Deutsche Bank’s leaders repeatedly saw red flags surrounding Mr. Trump. There was a disastrous bond sale, a promised loan that relied on a banker’s forged signature, wild exaggerations of Mr. Trump’s wealth, even a claim of an act of God.


In early 2016, Mr. Trump asked Ms. Vrablic for one final loan, for his golf course in Turnberry, Scotland.
Ms. Vrablic said yes, but a fight soon erupted.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/18/business/trump-deutsche-bank.html

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NYT - A Mar-a-Lago Weekend and an Act of God: Trump's History With Deutsche Bank (Original Post) underpants Mar 2019 OP
The Guys a Walking Criminal Act... spanone Mar 2019 #1
More underpants Mar 2019 #2
K&R... spanone Mar 2019 #11
The mob connection was an open secret to NYers tulipsandroses Mar 2019 #12
Even more: Brother Buzz Mar 2019 #13
Thanks. Lots in this article. underpants Mar 2019 #15
The hurdles in a Deutsche Bank and Commerzbank merger elleng Mar 2019 #3
Oh My! malaise Mar 2019 #4
There isn't one fucking thing good bluestarone Mar 2019 #5
I'm confused lol... Volaris Mar 2019 #6
Does make a person wonder huh? MAYBE bluestarone Mar 2019 #7
Or maybe it's just that the rules are different for us proles. Volaris Mar 2019 #8
When I read the LA Times re "elite" universities, it occurs to me that yes, the rules are different Hekate Mar 2019 #19
I guess one of these goes down as refinancing underpants Mar 2019 #9
If I tried that, my bank would put me in prison for fraud over the amount of Volaris Mar 2019 #10
K&R Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2019 #14
Rachel is opening with this. BigmanPigman Mar 2019 #16
A rather young lifetime appointed Supreme Court judge....SUDDENLY....RETIRES his son SayItLoud Mar 2019 #17
Anything and everything for mo' money world wide wally Mar 2019 #18
K&R UTUSN Mar 2019 #20
Great article canetoad Mar 2019 #21
The SEC should be looking into every detail of this. Its out and out fraud sunonmars Mar 2019 #22

underpants

(182,563 posts)
2. More
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 07:19 PM
Mar 2019

Mr. Trump told Deutsche Bank his net worth was about $3 billion, but when bank employees reviewed his finances, they concluded he was worth about $788 million, according to documents produced during a lawsuit Mr. Trump brought against the former New York Times journalist Timothy O’Brien. And a senior investment-banking executive said in an interview that he and others cautioned that Mr. Trump should be avoided because he had worked with people in the construction industry connected to organized crime.

tulipsandroses

(5,119 posts)
12. The mob connection was an open secret to NYers
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:10 PM
Mar 2019

This has been the most bizarre thing to me about the Trump presidency

Its laughable when he says " They are bringing drugs and crime" - When the people bringing drugs and crime were white it was just fine.

He readily did business with the mob. This is your president. A con man - A common criminal.

Brother Buzz

(36,357 posts)
13. Even more:
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:31 PM
Mar 2019

Mr. Trump flew Ms. Vrablic to Miami to show her a property he wanted to buy: the Doral Golf Resort and Spa. He needed more than $100 million for the 72-hole property.

Deutsche Bank dispatched a team to Trump Tower to inspect Mr. Trump’s personal and corporate financial records. The bankers determined he was overvaluing some of his real estate assets by as much as 70 percent, according to two former executives.

underpants

(182,563 posts)
15. Thanks. Lots in this article.
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:46 PM
Mar 2019

The wraparound loan to pay a loan (refinancing I guess) after he had a ridiculous suit about the first loan - and lost - was another great part.

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
6. I'm confused lol...
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:00 PM
Mar 2019

If I walk into a bank and ask for a car note right now, they'll laugh me out of the building (and I'd understand why).

This fool just wanders in, asks for a hundred million, and it's 'sure man, everything's cool!'

WUT????

bluestarone

(16,835 posts)
7. Does make a person wonder huh? MAYBE
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:02 PM
Mar 2019

pUTIN has something on the bank? Gotta be something like that.

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
8. Or maybe it's just that the rules are different for us proles.
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:04 PM
Mar 2019

I shouldn't, I know it's wrong. But I DO UNDERSTAND the appeal of guillitones...

Hekate

(90,503 posts)
19. When I read the LA Times re "elite" universities, it occurs to me that yes, the rules are different
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 10:06 PM
Mar 2019

...for the upper crust. If they need a "side door" into a bank or a university, they can have it. You think the Mad King's spawn had to worry about their College Boards?

Move over, Madam DeFarge; I've taken up knitting.

underpants

(182,563 posts)
9. I guess one of these goes down as refinancing
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:05 PM
Mar 2019

He had a $40 M loan and tried to claim Act of God because Alan Greenspan called 2008 a "tsunami", sues the bank for $3 BILLION, loses, then wants a loan for another venture and use it to also pay off the loan he sued about.

Volaris

(10,266 posts)
10. If I tried that, my bank would put me in prison for fraud over the amount of
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 08:07 PM
Mar 2019

The aforementioned CAR NOTE.

SayItLoud

(1,701 posts)
17. A rather young lifetime appointed Supreme Court judge....SUDDENLY....RETIRES his son
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 09:45 PM
Mar 2019

Just happens to work for Deutsche Bank and is close to tRUMP. Just a coincidence? Not a chance, there's more to this and someone, probably in the media is already digging into it. Has been for over a year. Mueller may know or uncover, NYAG may uncover, Cohen may have known and told but for sure Putin knows.

Regardless of what the Oral Office does to hide, distort and claim executive privilege there will be a Daniel Ellsberg out there to get that report to the American people.

canetoad

(17,129 posts)
21. Great article
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 04:28 AM
Mar 2019

Thanks for posting.

I loved the bit about suing Deutsche Bank for 3 million because the GFC was 'an act of God'. Effin idiot.

sunonmars

(8,656 posts)
22. The SEC should be looking into every detail of this. Its out and out fraud
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 06:44 AM
Mar 2019

Trump is basically a ponzi credit pyramid with fraudulent declarations.

If you or I made fraudulent declarations for money, we'd be doing a stretch in jail right now.

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