If you are old enough think back to the sixties. Remember the violence?

[wasupaloopa]

Remember John, Martin and Bobby and how they died? Remember Selma?

Remember Watts?

Today is kindergarten compared to the Sixties. We survived that and we will service trump and his minority followers. So let’s stop with the civil war bull shit ok?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

1. Hopefully our convention will be calmer. nt

[shanny]

25. '68 would have been "calm" too if the police hadn't rioted

eta:

In its report Rights in Conflict (better known as the Walker Report), the Chicago Study Team that investigated the violent clashes between police and protesters at the convention stated that the police response was characterized by:

unrestrained and indiscriminate police violence on many occasions, particularly at night. That violence was made all the more shocking by the fact that it was often inflicted upon persons who had broken no law, disobeyed no order, made no threat. These included peaceful demonstrators, onlookers, and large numbers of residents who were simply passing through, or happened to live in, the areas where confrontations were occurring.

The Walker Report, "headed by an independent observer from Los Angeles police – concluded that: “Individual policemen, and lots of them, committed violent acts far in excess of the requisite force for crowd dispersal or arrest. To read dispassionately the hundreds of statements describing at firsthand the events of Sunday and Monday nights is to become convinced of the presence of what can only be called a police riot.”

iirc there were approximately 10,000 protesters...and 23,000 police and National Guard (thanks, Daley!)

[jalan48]

2. War protesters shut down I-5 in Seattle during rush hour traffic.

[KT2000]

16. I was there

and remember it well. I remember walking on the freeway above the busses that brought the cops. A guy next to me threw a rock at the cops and that caused them to break out and go after the protesters. I'm sure the guy was a plant because there were no rocks on the freeway and he looked to be a little off mentally.
A nice janitor at a local church let us use their water fountain to wash our eyes.
I got hit on the back of the legs with a cop's club.
It was after Kent State.

[jalan48]

17. I was there too. Yes, there was also the protest at the Federal Building. Crazy times.

[KT2000]

44. back at ya

[BigmanPigman]

3. I watched the TV specials from CNN "The Sixties" and

"The Seventies" and the 70s was more violent in the US and around the world in general....kidnappings, hijacks, radical groups popping up all over the place.

[wasupaloopa]

5. And Kent State

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. Yes, it was crazy, even into the early '70s.

Kent State, the Symbionese Liberation Army, the University of Wisconsin bombing, the 1968 Democratic Convention, lots of bad stuff. I hope it doesn't come to that again.

[HubertHeaver]

12. Maybe this is what Trump was referring to with his comments

about the police, military and the bad-ass bikers being on his side. Think the Daley Cops at the Democratic Convention, Ohio Guards at Kent State, the Pissed Off Bastards/Hells Angels bad-ass bikers--all active in the '60s, '70s.

[peacefreak2.0]

6. I remember seeing tear gas being set off

In D.C. & going the other way.

[uppityperson]

7. What?

Mucad Ibrahim, 3, didn't make it to kindergarten before a Trump loving extremist murdered him.

[meadowlander]

8. It's pointless to compare and insulting to minimise the current threat.

There were more of them in the 60s as a percentage of the total population but the few that are left are better armed and more extreme now.

[KPN]

28. I agree. I was there and came of age in the sixties.

It IS pointless to compare; more than just pointless. We are experiencing a real threat to Democratic governance worldwide led by a man who would be King and Emporer of our planet. It is far-fetched to suggest comparability.

[Chin music]

29. But, Let's "be patient", bc we are just OFF the hook now.

The 60s were like France is now. We are complacent in comparison.

[matt819]

9. True, but

https://www.heraldnet.com/news/the-history-of-mass-shootings-in-the-u-s/

There were 6 mass shootings in the us in the 2960s. 14 so far this decade.

It’s all relative I suppose. Our population has almost doubled since 1965, so there’s that.

Then there’s FBI statistics on violent crime, which I think is down per capita.

Maybe if we had Walter Cronkite instead of the internet and fox, id feel better.

[TruckFump]

10. I cannot forget it.

Along with too many friends who died or were wounded in VN.

Will be 71 in a few months.

[Kahuna7]

11. Yep. I remember it well. nt

[still_one]

13. Yes I remember, and no it is not "kindergarten" compared to the sixties. It is different, but it is

just as bad, worse in some cases because among some outlets racism and bigotry is trying to be legitimized

Dylan Roof, William Atchison, Taylor Michael Wilson, James Jackson, the Tree of Life Synagogue massacre, Ferguson, shooting of unarmed black men in the back have led to riots in quite a few cases that sometimes gets lost with time, the riots after the Rodney King verdict, Orlando gay nightclub mass murder, Freddie Gray, the 2016 peaceful rally in Dallas turned violent after several police officers were sho, etc, etc, etc

These are just ones off the top of my head, there are a lot more

They didn’t report that hate crimes have increased significantly, unless it has

When George Wallace campaigned on his racist platform for President, the press marginalized him, and his message of hate.

When you have 40% of the populace supporting a racist, bigot, and sexist, that isn’t “kindergarten” stuff, but a very dangerous trend

[Ferrets are Cool]

30. Thank you

[Takket]

14. it will be ugly (uglier) when (if) drumpf loses in 2020

right now the white supremacists have their man in the white house and they are STILL angry and slaughtering innocents. imagine what it is going to look like when they are all good and pissed off after the next election.

[Chin music]

32. There's prison space and electric chairs for all of them.

I couldn't care less how mad they are. They haven't seen mad yet, "but it's coming."

[Ligyron]

40. Thank You!

Where are these militias and biker bad-asses going to find a reliable supply of Libs to use their army against anyway? I guess they could attack an organic health food store and smash all the bottles of wheat juice or maybe hit a Starbucks and challenge anyone ordering a latte to a duel.

As for the police joining the fray -- yeah, to haul the RW lawbreakers off to jail or win every gun battle those clowns foolishly want to start.

Oh, and the 60's and 70's were more violent.

[Evolve Dammit]

15. It was horrific. Jackson State followed Kent State and didn't get much press, because...

they were black. Vietnam, "What are we fightin' for?" In 2001, I watched in horror as the U.S. attacked a country that didn't attack us after 9/11. Bush and Co. lied through their fucking teeth and we blew up the Middle East, causing at least 4 million to flee Iraq, many of them professionals who could get out. Like Colin Powell said, "you break it, you own it." Then there's the Mai Lai massacre in Vietnam, right General Powell? Then there was Iran/ Contra, the "nation building" in countless countries. Let's face it, we are drenched in blood back to the founding fathers, particularly regarding native peoples, women, slaves and immigrants.

And yet, we have at least half of us who could do so much better if not for the brainwashed knuckle-draggers.

[lunatica]

18. I remember it, but you need to get off your high horse.

Thinks are bad NOW! And they will probably get worse. It isn’t over yet.

[wasupaloopa]

27. Well simply put you are wrong time will prove me right

[lunatica]

46. Being right or wrong isn't the issue

I remember very well how it was. The issue is your superiority complex.

[Ferrets are Cool]

31. Thank you

[Poiuyt]

19. Isn't most of the civil war talk coming from the other side?

You know, the rebels?

[Chin music]

34. +1

be afraid, be very afraid. Just alt righters have guns and are mad....YAWN. They will see themselves outnumbered more than 2 to1. The Yankee North showed them once....if we have to, we can do it again.

[Nasruddin]

20. And if you think the 1960's were bad

You shouldda been there for the 1860's. I'm telling you....

[Blue_true]

21. Exactly. When Reagan beat Carter I thought that the world would end.

Reagan did a lot of damage but we survived. The important thing for societies is to survive the down periods and get better, though we are not perfect or even remotely so, we are better on all types of rights than we were during Reagan's day. Trump will set back progress, he has set back progress, but 30 years from now his damage can be nothing more than a bad memory if we stick together. Our biggest enemy is setting unrealistic goals then fighting eachother because we only get 85% of what we want from our progressive politicians.

[trackfan]

45. I literally thought the world would end.

Then, about a year into Reagan's presidency, I was driving with a friend, and we saw this streak of light, changing color, and headed toward the ground, and we both thought, "Oh no, this is it!" It turned out to be a meteor.

[Blue_true]

47. I didn't have that type of rapture moment and I'm lucky that I didn't.

I would still be trying to get my undies clean. Reagan in office was scary enough, and I was really young and unsure about a lot of things in life at that time.

[Hoyt]

22. Remember it well, but that was 50 years ago. Things should be better

than this. Even Nixon was not as divisive as trump.

Agree we will survive, I think.

[Blue_true]

23. Trump is a creature of his time.

He saw that hate sold, so he embraced hate. We have had people similar to him throughout our history as a nation and we have survived them all.

[nini]

24. This is worse

we're bordering on WWII fascism worldwide. Nothing to refer to as 'kindergarten'

[wasupaloopa]

26. Show me some proof of world wide WWII fascism

[nini]

33. Reread my post

'bordering' is the operative word there.

If you seriously don't see that then there's no reason to discuss what is brewing worldwide.

We are seeing how Hitler rose to power with the denial of what is happening.

I remember the 60s and how shitty they were. I also know the digital age has added a new dangerous twist to today's nightmare - hacked voting machines, a media who is bought and paid for, social media brainwashing of those who are too lazy to do their homework etc etc..

[McKim]

35. This is More Serious Today

Back then the news media did not have Fox News and today we have a very well organized and well funded Right Wing that is international. The Right Wing was scared spotless by the 1960’s and they have been working to take mind control for the past 50 years. They have achieved so much!

They have sold ideas like Government is Evil, Taxes are a Waste, The Poor are Lazy and Out for Free Stuff, Bootstraps, Be All You Can Be in The Army in the Middle East, and you get the idea.
We are up against the incredible wealth of the top 1% and their large think tanks.

So it is NOT like the 1960s. In the 1960’s we had more power and possibility on our side. We had popular culture on our side with music, ideas, films and icons. Today we must pull together support our politicians who are daring to speak the truth and we must continue to resist!!!!

My own brother in law died in Vietnam for a lie in 1967. The pain and loss never ends for any family, here and abroad. I lived through the 60’s and have never changed my left progressive values. This is something to live by and to honor and to carry forward!

[nini]

42. 'we had more power and possibility on our side'

Exactly... we're fighting this battle on so many fronts it's ridiculous.

My brother went to Vietnam in the height of '68. He made it home but just recently got the psychological help he needed all these years. I'm sorry for your family's loss. We knew far too many who didn't make it home.

[GeorgeGist]

36. how soon we forget kindergarten ...

[spike jones]

37. there seems to be a lot more guns out there than in the sixties.

[rzemanfl]

41. Per capita probably about the same. By magazine capacity, orders of magnitude more. IMHO. n/t

[rzemanfl]

38. Please check your spelling, to "service trump" requires a NDA.

I threw up a little in my mouth when I read that. Predictive and auto-complete are a curse.

[sarge43]

39. Still vividly remember the Chicago riots.

Scared the stuffings out of me. Really thought this country was going to the mattresses.

We will get through this.

[End Of The Road]

43. Today is worse

The violence in the 60s stemmed from anger. Today it stems from hate. You can’t fix hate.