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Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:21 PM

US Hate echos in New Zealand

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/new-zealand-shooter-suspected-white-supremacy_n_5c8b2451e4b0db7da9f17320

Good to see this headline, this is American Extremism being exported abroad.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:28 PM

1. America does not hold a monopoly on white nationalism.

The "nation" is whiteness, not America.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:30 PM

2. True, but these terrorists were inspired by specific Americans

Trump, Owens, and Bannon inspired these killers.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:37 PM

4. Europeans like Anders Brevnik have also been "inspiring"

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The NZ shooter mentioned Brevnik in his "manifesto".

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:43 PM

7. Disagree about "inspiration."

Extremists are initially inspired by broad ideas -- anti-Blackness, anti-Semitism, Islamaphobia, that kind of thing. They look for outlets that help them give voice to these knew thoughts and ideas they're engaging with, and consume a wide variety of voices. Trump, Owens and Bannon are certainly a part of those voices; the problem with focusing only on them is that it's easy to think that when they're gone, that solves the problem.

We don't have white terrorist because Trump is president. Trump is president because white terrorists -- among others -- voted for him.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 01:00 PM

9. And what better way to draw attention to one's manifesto than to include big names in it?

Don't fall for it.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 01:04 PM

10. Fall for what?

Trump has been encouraging violence for years. He previously praised a general for slaughtering Muslims. Just yesterday he called for violence. This killer was inspired by Trump.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 01:28 PM

11. I once saw a bumper sticker that said: US out of North America

It blew my mind and made me rethink Teddy Roosevelt's idea of "real Americans," who he believed to be white settlers and their descendants. Especially, men who hunt and fight and win wars.
I also saw Chuck D give a talk where he mentioned his refusal to refer to US citizens as Americans, but rather USAers. It doesn't flow as easily, but supports your point that America isn't whiteness. People from Canada to Argentina, and in between are Americans. The US was most definitely founded on white supremacy as people with darker skin were captured, imported, and enslaved to do the physical work for them.

Whiteness is hypocrisy in that after hundreds of years of that white people had the nerve to turn around and glorify "hard work" and stereotype people of color as "lazy."
I don't know enough about NZ to comment on whether the US has influenced them, but your post inspired a little rant.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:35 PM

3. Remember...

Bannon is still careening around the planet promoting this kind of shit.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:38 PM

5. New Zealand Prime Minister should tell Ambassador Centerfold sex pervert Scottie Brown

to tell low-life Trump to tone down the hate rhetoric or get the f**k out of New Zealand.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:42 PM

6. Andrea Mitchell mentioned that the shooter'smanifesto mentioned the Second Amendment

This from someone born in Australia who murdered dozens in New Zealand. Australia was sane enough to restrict access to guns after a mass shooting and this nut job is citing the United States Constitution and one of the craziest US presidents ever as justification for killing people in a country that has welcomed immigrants?

White supremacy needs to be shut down world wide.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:53 PM

8. K&R, the shooter literally gave a shout out to Trump as a white supremacist in his manifesto

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