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Fri Mar 15, 2019, 10:08 AM

Republicans showed themselves to be politically naive in their vote against "national emergency".

If they had been more politically astute, they would have gotten more than the 67 votes needed to over-ride a Trump veto. He would not have gambled with a veto. They could have stopped this process in its tracks.

As it is, there is a good chance that Trump will veto it, believing that less than 67 Senators will vote against him. Yesterday's vote only encouraged him. And Republicans will be back in the same box.

It was a dumb vote by Republicans.

They chose to protect Donald Trump over the Constitution of the United States.

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Reply Republicans showed themselves to be politically naive in their vote against "national emergency". (Original post)
kentuck Mar 15 OP
Wellstone ruled Mar 15 #1
TwilightZone Mar 15 #2
awesomerwb1 Mar 15 #3
kentuck Mar 15 #4
TwilightZone Mar 15 #5
kentuck Mar 15 #9
TwilightZone Mar 15 #10
kentuck Mar 15 #12
beachbum bob Mar 15 #6
kentuck Mar 15 #13
beachbum bob Saturday #14
spanone Mar 15 #7
Mr. Sparkle Mar 15 #8
struggle4progress Mar 15 #11

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 10:11 AM

1. This has been a Republican

wish list item since the days of Newt Gingrich and his Contract with America.

Some of those Players are still hanging around screwing up our Country.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 10:31 AM

2. They never had any intention of getting 67 votes.

It was quite carefully planned to allow certain members to vote "Yes" to provide political cover in their upcoming races.

It's not as dumb as you might think. They get to claim that they can be bipartisan without actually doing anything, and they give vulnerable members of their side a talking point for their campaigns.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 10:35 AM

3. I think you're right.

We underestimate those cockroaches at our own peril. Win win for those Senators from a complicated(for them) position.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 10:42 AM

4. Of course, they had no intention of getting 67 votes...

...and that was their mistake.

They could have gotten 67 votes and Trump would not have threatened a veto. The process would have died. As it is, it lives to haunt them another day.

They get no political cover. Ask Corey Gardner or Thom Tillis. They may think they get political cover but they do not.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 10:51 AM

5. Gardner and Tillis voted against it.

The Rs who voted for it are the ones who got political cover. Many of them are in close races in purple states. The Yes votes allow them to pretend that they're occasionally bipartisan, as I noted, and also pretend that they don't always side with Trump. It's a win/win. They don't actually do anything but they can tell their constituents that they tried.

It's not as complicated as you seem to want to make it.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 04:05 PM

9. Yes, because they thought it would help them in their next election...

...and probably fearful of a primary challenge?

I think their vote was a loser.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 04:36 PM

10. Well, yeah.

That's why it was a little surprising that the two of them voted no. They had the opportunity to provide themselves the same cover the others got but didn't. Tillis seems to have bowed to pressure from Trump. Not sure what Gardner's excuse is.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 05:42 PM

12. I think Trump had a personal conversation with each of them...

..and talked them into voting against their interest and their country.

The Republican Party is in a sad shape.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 10:56 AM

6. don't miss the upside on this, ALL GOP House members will be placed on the real "record" when

they have to vote on the override...many "hid" behind their no vote as they knew it was going to pass regardless. So now we will have every single GOP'er on the record with the override vote.

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 05:44 PM

13. Exactly!

That was the point I was trying to make. They maybe could have prevented the veto from Trump if they had voted right this time. Now they have nowhere to hide. They will have to defend their votes.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 16, 2019, 07:02 AM

14. The 12 GOP senators that defied trump and McConnel really had little choice, the real test

comes soon with the veto override vote in the House and Senate.

no more hiding. 2020 issues being made every day. In the upcoming election if I had my own superpac, I would run independent ads against all GOP'ers you refused to override the trump's veto with an ad that says "X" failed to protect the constitution and will allow the next president unsurpassed power to do what they please....

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 11:38 AM

8. It has become increasingly evident over the past decade that the republicans have no principles.

If you asked me what does the republican party stand for i would have to say they are a party of trolls, they are against things that the democrats stand for, and by and large, it is to fund raise off those positions that's we hold.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 04:37 PM

11. Nah. They just don't care

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