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Fri Mar 15, 2019, 08:16 AM

 

Centrists fear socialism tag will cost Democrats the House in 2020

The moderate Democrats who delivered the House majority want you to know they’re not Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib or Ilhan Omar.

They haven’t all blindly signed on to the "Green New Deal." They haven't been widely accused of anti-Semitism. They aren't hungry to impeach President Donald Trump.

They are the ones on the front lines of the battlefield, defending Democrats’ House majority. And many of the endangered Democrats already see their outspoken colleagues as a potential obstacle standing between them and reelection in 2020.

“As we run up to this presidential [election], we need to show that Democrats, as a whole, are not socialists," said Rep. Katie Hill, who last November flipped a Southern California district that Republicans held for the previous quarter-century. "We’re not pushing for impeachment without serious cause and serious evidence."

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/15/house-democrats-moderates-2020-aoc-1220643

Socialist tag is radioactive in 95% of America.

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Reply Centrists fear socialism tag will cost Democrats the House in 2020 (Original post)
forklift Mar 15 OP
KG Mar 15 #1
TheBlackAdder Mar 15 #36
lamp_shade Mar 15 #2
RandiFan1290 Mar 15 #3
bearsfootball516 Mar 15 #4
Kurt V. Mar 15 #5
zipplewrath Mar 15 #9
riversedge Mar 15 #31
zipplewrath Mar 15 #35
Hortensis Mar 15 #18
LakeArenal Mar 15 #28
redstatebluegirl Mar 15 #6
allgood33 Mar 15 #7
yardwork Mar 15 #8
watoos Mar 15 #10
forklift Mar 15 #12
MontanaFarmer Mar 15 #13
ehrnst Mar 15 #15
oasis Mar 15 #11
shanny Mar 15 #14
George II Mar 15 #16
Me. Mar 15 #20
George II Mar 15 #21
sheshe2 Mar 15 #22
George II Mar 15 #23
sheshe2 Mar 15 #24
Celerity Mar 15 #37
Me. Mar 15 #38
Stellar Mar 15 #17
Perrenial Voter Mar 15 #19
Awsi Dooger Mar 15 #25
The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 15 #26
0rganism Mar 15 #27
LineLineReply !
KG Mar 15 #29
LongtimeAZDem Mar 15 #30
Ohiya Mar 15 #32
Honeycombe8 Mar 15 #40
wishstar Mar 15 #33
maxsolomon Mar 15 #34
Honeycombe8 Mar 15 #41
maxsolomon Mar 15 #42
Honeycombe8 Mar 15 #44
Honeycombe8 Mar 15 #39
radius777 Mar 15 #45
Honeycombe8 Mar 15 #46
Poiuyt Mar 15 #43

Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 08:18 AM

1. I lulz'd

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Response to KG (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 02:32 PM

36. Politico owned by Capital News, R. Allbritton owns, Sinclair Broadcasting bought his old company.

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Well, well, well.


Politico owner: Capital News Company

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politico



Capital News Company: Private holding Company owned by Robert Allbritton. Spun from Allbritton Communications

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_News_Company



Allbritton Communications: Sold to Sinclair Broadcasting for $985 Million in 2014 and is now defunct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allbritton_Communications



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Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 08:22 AM

2. I'm with Katie. nt

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Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 08:23 AM

3. lol

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Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 08:24 AM

4. Oh Politico.

What would you be without your daily "DEMOCRATS ARE IN DISARRAY!!!!!" story.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 08:29 AM

5. +1

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 08:32 AM

9. First thing I thought

That story had Politico written all over it.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:20 PM

31. It is just now Political. It is all over RW sites and media. They have a valid concern.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #31)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 02:06 PM

35. Yeah I always look to RW sites

That's where I go to find "valid" concerns for democrats.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 09:15 AM

18. Exactly. Assinine "centrists" v socialists" clickbait.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:08 PM

28. Haven't heard any Dems I hang with expressing anything like that.

Most of us are excited by the direction we are going and the quality of the candidates we have.

Politics is messy business with primaries the evolutionary pool of the future. We are all confident and enthusiastic.

If that’s disarray, it’s all going to come together in a hot unstoppable BLUE WAVE.

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Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 08:30 AM

6. Not just centrists.

I would love it if America was more progressive, but the fact is it is not. We will need every vote we can get to keep the house, win the white house and senate and we will not get it this time if we move all the way to the left. We could lose it all.

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Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 08:31 AM

7. Only if they don't get out and vote!

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Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 08:31 AM

8. Lulz

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Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 08:32 AM

10. Another divisive thread,

the only way we lose in 2020 is if we fight among ourselves.

Which definition of "Socialist" is radioactive? Social Security and Medicare? Alaskans getting checks from the government from taxes on oil drillers? Trump giving taxpayer dollars to soybean farmers? Which definition is radioactive to 95% of America? My guess is it's the definition that conflates Democratic Socialism with communism.

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Response to watoos (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 08:40 AM

12. SS and Medicare are NOT socialism nt

 

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Response to watoos (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 08:51 AM

13. The terminology is not helpful

People in red or purple areas of the country decry "socialism" even if they agree with 1 or another particular idea. We'd do well to remember that while AOC, congresswomen Tlaib, Pressley, Omar and others are important for driving the discussion, we would have no subpoena power, no investigative powers, and be shut totally out without the Conor Lambs, Katie Hills, and Abigail Spanbergers of the world. The places they're representing don't want "socialism," democratic or otherwise. Telling them they're wrong doesn't change that fact.

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Response to watoos (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 08:55 AM

15. There is a tradition of "Socialism" being a dog whistle for racists

It has replaced "Communism" as the code on the RW for "the government will take what's rightfully yours and give it to criminal black/brown people who don't want to work for a living."

And now it's being connected with what's going on in Venezuela, so that'll be another faulty but strong association in the minds of right wingers.

Even the term "redistribution of wealth" triggers the same thing. Drop that into the conversation with a conservative relative and watch the fireworks.

Why do you think that Obama was immediately pegged as a "Socialist" when he was elected.

We need to be using words like "public" or "national" like in public school and national parks.

Why do you think Medicare and Medicaid are called such instead of "Communitycare" or "Mediwelfare?" LBJ knew what he was doing.

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Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 08:37 AM

11. Never fear, Pelosi is widely recognized as our leader. She speaks clearly

on the issues of the day, and in a way in which her words cannot be misconstrued.

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Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 08:55 AM

14. Politico. 'Nuff said.

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Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 09:02 AM

16. Of all the new Democratic Representatives elected last year

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Katie Hill seems to be the most sensible and thoughtful. She knows what job is and for the most part goes about doing it quietly.

She's not trying to remake the party into something the majority of Democrats don't want in the first place.

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Response to George II (Reply #16)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 09:28 AM

20. Rep. Pressley Is Also Impressive

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Response to Me. (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 09:33 AM

21. Yes she is, as is Jahana Hayes and Max Rose.

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Response to George II (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 11:17 AM

22. Also Sharice Davids.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #22)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 11:23 AM

23. Yes....I was trying to think of her. I love her attitude and positions. In all the years...

...that I've been supporting and contributing to candidates, I've only done so for one outside my state - Sharice.

Then we have this great scene from last week:

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Response to George II (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 11:51 AM

24. That was well done by Davis.

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Response to Me. (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 06:38 PM

37. Katie Hill tossed Pressley under the bus too.

With the progressive squad of Ocasio-Cortez, Tlaib, Omar and Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.) capturing most of the headlines, the vulnerable Democrats are left to respond in stronger and stronger terms. The four liberals have forced majority-makers like Hill to distinguish themselves with voters and donors early and often.

You have these four members frankly that were elected from seats that are going to be Democratic no matter what and represent a very small fraction of the party as a whole,” said Hill. “And it’s like they’re the only ones that exist.”


and

Harley Rouda compared them to Steve King.

“I’d like to think that the Republican Party is not run by a bunch of folks that subscribe to be nationalists, like Steve King does,” added Rep. Harley Rouda (D-Calif.), who defeated then-Rep. Dana Rohrabacher in Orange County, the Reagan-era GOP stronghold. “So while Steve King’s views don’t represent the entire Republican Party, those on the far left of the Democratic Party do not represent the mainstream caucus.”

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Response to Celerity (Reply #37)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 06:55 PM

38. Rouda May Need A Come To Nancy Meeting

He's doing king's business for him and shameful it is

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Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 09:14 AM

17. So, I wondered if that was Clair McCaskill using a pen name since that's...

all she talks about on her new gig on MSNBC. Why is it that cable news only hires these centrist Democrats, because I believe that win or lose, the people with the money will always win. That's why they never hire people from the left and got rid of Olbermann and kept Scarborough.

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Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 09:17 AM

19. Maybe we can coin a new, more accurate, term

such as Sustainable Capitalism or Democratic Capitalism. The truth is that mixed economies seem to work best pretty much everywhere. We are currently in a spiral of self-destructive capitalism that without periodic intervention would crash, so we obviously need a different mix and/or some regulation. There are different models that could work, but the path we are on is not one of them.

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Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 11:59 AM

25. Legitimate concern

Our current House numbers are based on +8 national margin. It is absolutely guaranteed we will not match that number in 2020, and huge favorite we won't be +5 or greater.

Incumbency does help. But many districts we won narrowly in 2018 will tilt the other way in 2020 without that national climate of +8.

Our successful moderates of 2020 in those suburban districts are going to be labeled socialists, no matter what they do. But if their voting record is more liberal than their 2018 campaign suggested then the attacks will be even more pointed and perhaps effective.

I realize nobody wants the basic math. The calming conventional wisdom is we won the House because we deserve the House, and everybody loves us. No, we currently hold a House that is severely gerrymandered to tilt Republican. Our hold is incredibly fragile. I am impressed that House members already understand that +8 will not show up again, and steps are necessary to survive as majority.

On betting sites, our odds to hold the House in 2020 are 70/30 favorite. Not bad but probably not as high as most here assume. Gamblers understand it was accomplished via +8

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Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:00 PM

26. Politico stirring the pot again.

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Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:05 PM

27. "centrists fear", "water is wet"

sensible woodchuck has very serious concerns

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:08 PM

29. !

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Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:16 PM

30. Which is why we need to highlight the fact that the one socialist candidate isn't really a Democrat

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Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:28 PM

32. Facism tag may hurt redumblicans. NT

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Response to Ohiya (Reply #32)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 07:14 PM

40. It doesn't seem to. But then, it's more a cult than a political party these days.

Cult don't respond to things normally. All eyes are on their leader.

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Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:33 PM

33. We need to continually refer to Trump as the Liar

I remember in 2016 overhearing some folks at a nearby table when one said they would rather vote for Bernie "the Socialist" than Trump "The Liar". Trump is constant lies not just about small stuff but his major campaign promises such as balancing budget, doing great things with infrastructure, bringing factories back to US, covering more people with better and cheaper health insurance, etc.

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Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 12:38 PM

34. that was always going to be the GOP's play

against Dems.

call them a communist because they don't want people to die in the gutter.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #34)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 07:16 PM

41. The article isn't saying it's the Repubs who will play the card (altho they will).

The article is saying that the word and idea of "socialism" is perceived negatively in America. I think that's true.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #41)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 07:19 PM

42. that's why they beat dems with it in election cycles.

150 years of relentless propaganda has worked quite well on the working classes, hasn't it?

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #42)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 07:33 PM

44. People make up their minds for themselves. Well, except for Trumpers.

Trumpers believe whatever their leader tells them to.

Repubs using the term "socialist" would only work against Democrats, if people have a negative opinion of it. They seem to. The Democratic Party is not a socialist party, so it should only be an issue when it's incorrectly used against standard Democrats.

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Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 07:12 PM

39. The article uses "moderate" and "centrist" interchangeably, but they're not the same.

A centrist is someone whose ideology is in the middle of right and left, or very close. A moderate is from where centrists leave off to the mid-way mark, or just past the mid-mark, right or left. That's always been my understanding.

There is a big difference on some issues between a centrist and a moderate. A moderate can be ALMOST in the progressive camp, or ALMOST in the centrist camp.

A centrist, I would say, could be either a Republican or Democrat, depending on the candidate choice. I don't think there are many centrists in the country.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #39)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 08:10 PM

45. they are the same thing

what you're describing is a swing voter.

moderate/centrist Dems are usually just as partisan as any other Dem.

moderate/centrist Repub is usually just as partisan as any other Repub.

they simply are less beholden to the activist wings of their party.

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Response to radius777 (Reply #45)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 09:26 PM

46. Never mind.

Labels are tricky.

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Response to forklift (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 07:28 PM

43. Republicans have always used the word "socialist" as a scare tactic. Truman said it best:

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