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Thu Mar 14, 2019, 09:24 PM

Happy Leprechaun Day! What's the future of holidays?

Now that we are so diverse and happy to value it, our holidays are becoming contentless. St. Patrick's Day is now Leprechaun Day, according to my grandsons. We all know Christmas ceased to be a religious holiday a long time ago. Halloween, which long ago lost its connection with All Saint's Day is becoming a really big deal. But there's nothing to celebrate except the celebration. Maybe the 4th of July will be our only grounded holiday.... and then only if we can get our country back on a track that would let us celebrate.

Do you think holidays that actually celebrate something are permanently in the past?

tia
las

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Reply Happy Leprechaun Day! What's the future of holidays? (Original post)
LAS14 Mar 14 OP
rurallib Mar 14 #1
jberryhill Mar 14 #2
struggle4progress Mar 14 #6
jberryhill Mar 15 #10
struggle4progress Mar 15 #11
Bluesaph Mar 14 #3
Polybius Mar 14 #4
LAS14 Mar 14 #5
Raine Mar 15 #8
a kennedy Mar 14 #7
Raine Mar 15 #9

Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 09:35 PM

1. Holidays will continue as long as people want to have fun

Many holidays were stolen from pagan feasts and made into religious holidays. Now they seem to be reverting somewhat, but people can still have fun.

And the holidays still celebrate something (eg winter solstice & return of the sun) just maybe not what some folks like.
Did you ever think the green of St. Pat's Day has anything to do with Spring?

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Response to rurallib (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 09:43 PM

2. The solstices and equinoxes are unambiguous


Christmas and Easter remain firmly grounded in the winter solstice and spring equinox. That they have lost the Christian spin on them is more of a return to what they had been traditionally about in the first place. The apostles did not observe either Christmas or Easter. They are simply not Christian holidays, but were accommodations to those traditional solar observances.

The summer solstice is close enough to July 4.

All we need to do is move Halloween back a bit to September for the fall solstice, and call it done.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 11:07 PM

6. As orthodox Jews, however, the disciples did celebrate the Jewish Passover,

which is almost always near the Christian Easter

Easter is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox. So Easter can fall anywhere from March 22 to April 25

Passover begins the evening of 14 Nissan with the full moon, which is often the first full moon after the vernal equinox. But the Jewish lunar calendar, which from time to time inserts a month so as not to drift too far from the solar year, complicates matters

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 06:57 AM

10. Which is still an equinox observance


Given that there is no support whatsoever for a historical plague upon the firstborn of Egypt, or for an exodus for that matter, itís pretty clear that the origins of that equinox observance lay elsewhere. Itís not some sort of accident that entirely different cultures had celebrations at approximately the same time.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 11:39 AM

11. IIRC Passover begins with the first full moon in the spring

and the earlier dating of the holiday depended on the seeing certain signs, such as flowering

The relation to an astronomical event, such as the equinox, could then arise later from the fact that the astronomy could be related to the season

So it seems not to be exactly the equinox observance you would claim

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 10:07 PM

3. I detest holidays!

Just capitalismís excuse to make us go spend our money on junk to throw away a week later.

Hate Christmas. Hate Halloween. Hate valentines. Hate Easter. Hate them ALL! I even hate the Fourth of July since the American flag got hijacked by right wingers as their own personal article of worship.

Iím not religious at all ... not even pagan which is the origin of almost all holidays.

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 10:19 PM

4. Thanksgiving is huge

I personally love Independence Day and Christmas.

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Response to Polybius (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 10:49 PM

5. Yeah, I forgot about Thanksgiving.

Except that, I guess it assumes a belief in some higher power, otherwise who are you thanking?

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 03:17 AM

8. You can thank your parents, your husband or wife, your neighbor,

your kids, your pets, your friends anyone you feel glad to have in your life because they've made your life better.

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2019, 11:23 PM

7. and really is there a leprechaun day?? I've never heard of that....

but be that as it may.....HAPPY LEPRECHAUN DAY to my good humans...... AND I WANT SHAMROCKS TO BUY AND GIVE AWAY. Is that ok to post that here?? *blushing*

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Response to LAS14 (Original post)

Fri Mar 15, 2019, 03:20 AM

9. I like holidays, they mark periods of time

makes it easier to tell one day from another instead of everything blending together.

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