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trof

(54,256 posts)
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 07:36 PM Mar 2019

So...WHY did it take so long for the FAA to ground the 737 Max?

Maybe because the ACTING Administrator (An Administrator has not been appointed yet. I guess 'hard working' Donnie Two-Scoops has just been too busy to get around to it over two years in to his so-called presidency.) is a former airline lobbyist?

From wiki:
Appointed by President Donald Trump to become a FAA Deputy Administrator in June 2017, Elwell was promoted to Acting Administrator on January 7, 2018.[

Elwell was named Vice President of the Aerospace Industries Association[5] in 2008 where he stayed until 2013. Elwell was a civil aerospace manufacturer representative in this capacity where he was an advocate for various companies.[2]
Elwell joined Airlines for America (A4A) in 2013[3] where he was the Senior Vice President for Safety, Security, and Operations. Elwell left this role in 2015.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Elwell

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So...WHY did it take so long for the FAA to ground the 737 Max? (Original Post) trof Mar 2019 OP
Same reason for almost every decision made by the Trump admin: corrupt cronyism. RockRaven Mar 2019 #1
Is there more than one way to spell CORRUPTION! nt procon Mar 2019 #2
One Word Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #3
Part of it may be bigotry. drray23 Mar 2019 #4
Well customerserviceguy Mar 2019 #6
Foriegn airlines hire a lot of pilots from other countries. trof Mar 2019 #7
In these two cases customerserviceguy Mar 2019 #8
It was reported that the co-pilot only had 200 flight hours. trof Mar 2019 #9
I was afraid of that customerserviceguy Mar 2019 #12
So they could sell all their Boeing stock. N/t Dave Starsky Mar 2019 #5
Yeah, it's a mess Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #10
Speculation running rampant on this thread. Conspiracies everywhere! maxsolomon Mar 2019 #11

RockRaven

(14,913 posts)
1. Same reason for almost every decision made by the Trump admin: corrupt cronyism.
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 07:39 PM
Mar 2019

It's almost like we have a crooked POTUS who only hires other crooks.

drray23

(7,619 posts)
4. Part of it may be bigotry.
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 08:04 PM
Mar 2019

You know, these are airlines from, how did trump put it ? S...hole countries. I would not be surprised if it played a role. I've seen comments to that effect on social media already and even here where the training of these pilots was questioned. Never mind the fact that the vast majority of airline pilots come to the us to be trained on these planes.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
6. Well
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 02:19 AM
Mar 2019

How do people get to be airline pilots?

In most countries that have an air force, people who flew military missions get preferred over people who have flown only small aircraft. I would imagine that to be different with places that do not have a functioning air force. Folks who have flown military aircraft have had experience dealing with crazy stuff that happens when things don't go by the book.

Today's aircraft are marketed as being practically able to fly themselves, when that isn't the case, if the pilot is someone who got that job by being well-connected, that person may not have the skills needed to avoid a malfunction from software-controlled flight. This might explain why tens of thousands of flights with this aircraft have been successfully executed by pilots who probably have real experience with flying all kinds of aircraft.

trof

(54,256 posts)
7. Foriegn airlines hire a lot of pilots from other countries.
Thu Mar 14, 2019, 05:51 PM
Mar 2019

Many foreign carriers (especially Asian, Middles Eastern, and African airlines) hire pilots from the U.S., Great Britain, Ireland, South Africa (white), and Iceland.

I flew for a Japanese cargo airline and flew with all of the nationalities named.

trof

(54,256 posts)
9. It was reported that the co-pilot only had 200 flight hours.
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 05:28 PM
Mar 2019

That's nothing.
It sure wouldn't qualify you for right seat on any major carrier.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
12. I was afraid of that
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 06:07 PM
Mar 2019

I would imagine that the son of a well-connected government official would have an easier time getting a pilot's job with a Third World airline than anyone would have to deal with in countries that have active air forces.

I have read about how some US pilots found the training to be inadequate, but there were hundreds of flights per day of this aircraft, so it seems that experienced pilots could handle it.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
10. Yeah, it's a mess
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 05:30 PM
Mar 2019

Trump has completely erased all the respect and credibility of our institutions both domestic and international...

And Trump doing this by executive order is beyond the pale

maxsolomon

(33,252 posts)
11. Speculation running rampant on this thread. Conspiracies everywhere!
Fri Mar 15, 2019, 05:33 PM
Mar 2019

the reason is going to be more mundane: Boeing is an American company, and demonstrating faith in them is what the American government does. until it can't.

Part 2: Boeing's "fix" for the AOA software blamed for the Lion Air crash was delayed for 5 weeks by Trump's pointless gubmint shutdown. there still hasn't been anything definitively linking this crash to the AOA software, has there?

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